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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:56 pm

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    The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) suffered an underwater collision (struck an object) while operating in international waters in the western Pacific on Oct. 2 and is returning to port, USNI reports.

    Well at least it doesn't sound as bad as USS San Francisco

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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:58 pm

    This underwater object is called the Philippines. Laughing

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    Post  Mir Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:54 pm

    The BBC reported that the incident happened in the South China Sea. Eleven  sailors were injured and according to Alexander Neill, a Singapore-based defence and security expert, the number of injuries caused by the collision suggested the submarine probably "hit something big" and was "going really fast".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58838332

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:28 am

    Ooooops. They caught the Director of Metallurgy at a foundry providing steel castings used to make submarine hulls. Might make everyone in US subs a bit less keen to push the envelope or even check on past events.


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    Well, that's no good: "A 69 year female metallurgist in Washington state pleaded guilty to fraud Monday after she spent decades faking the results of strength tests on steel that was being used to make U.S. Navy submarines."

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:34 pm


    Well since we are in decades instead of years now this just got a little bit more serious
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:09 am

    Didn't we already know this or is this another organisation that provides steel to the US Navy...
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:38 am

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59186655

    A metallurgist in the US state of Washington has pleaded guilty to fraud after she spent decades faking the results of strength tests on steel that was being used to make Navy submarines.

    Prosecutors say Elaine Marie Thomas, 67, gave false positive readings for strength and toughness tests in at least 240 cases between 1985 and 2017.

    Authorities did not disclose which vessels were affected.

    But there was no indication that any submarine hulls had failed.

    Ms Thomas, of Auburn, Washington, was the director of metallurgy at a foundry in Tacoma that supplied steel castings used by Navy contractors to make submarine hulls, the US Attorney's Office for the Western District of Washington said in a statement.

    The foundry was acquired by the manufacturer Bradken in 2008, according to the indictment. There was no evidence that the company's management was aware of the fraud until May 2017. At that time, prosecutors say, a lab employee found out that test cards had been altered and that other discrepancies existed in the records.

    Prosecutors said the falsified tests "represent[ed] a substantial percentage of the castings Bradken produced for the Navy". In 2020, Bradken agreed to pay $10.9m (£8m) as part of a settlement.

    The Navy has taken measures to ensure the safe operation of the affected submarines, resulting in increased costs, according to the statement.

    When confronted with the falsified results, Ms Thomas suggested that in some cases she gave metal positive results because she thought it was "stupid" that the Navy required the tests to be conducted at -100F (-70C), the Associated Press reports.

    John Carpenter, a lawyer for Ms Thomas, said in a statement filed in federal court on Monday that she "took shortcuts and made material misrepresentations."

    "Ms Thomas never intended to compromise the integrity of any material and is gratified that the government's testing does not suggest that the structural integrity of any submarine was in fact compromised," he said.

    "This offense is unique in that it was neither motivated by greed nor any desire for personal enrichment. She regrets that she failed to follow her moral compass - admitting to false statements is hardly how she envisioned living out her retirement years."

    Ms Thomas faces up to 10 years in prison and a $1m fine. She will be sentenced in February.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:56 am

    This is not really a serious issue, they will just close the operational gap, and exclude diving deeper than 50 m from procedures.
    As they did with the nonusable afterburner of F-35. Just don't use it, and everything will be cool! Cool
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:22 am



    Time to sanction the undersea mountain ranges in the south china sea. lol!
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:31 am

    I'm pretty sure Virginia costs just as much.
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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:45 pm

    Because it has 4K screens.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:51 pm

    Isos wrote:I'm pretty sure Virginia costs just as much.

    But not in 1992 dollars.

    The 91 nimitz class carrier cost 4.5 billion.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:07 pm


    Seawolf's pricetag was insane even by Cold War standards

    Makes current day projects look like a bargain

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:40 am

    If the USS Connecticut is written off, it could be used for parts or be given to Australia for in-port training. Later, it could even be repaired (helping them to learn how to do it) there for a lot le$$ to make it a fully training sub or deployable.
    Alternatively, the USS San Francisco now used for training could go there instead while the USS Connecticut stays home & used for training. Time will tell!
    The USN has 2 others of the class to pick up the slack & 1-2 older SSNs could be kept in commission longer, if need be.

    Update:
    https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/12/columbia-the-us-navy-has-big-plans-for-its-new-ballistic-missile-submarine/


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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:45 am

    Don't think so.

    The Seawolf class cost 8.5 billion dollars in 2021 money.

    Means if they decide it is too expensive to fix ( that could happens if the collision was high speed) then they use the parts of it to keep float the leftower two subraine.


    Shocking is the Seawolf cheaper / simpler than the Yassen. LAter most likelly cost close as much as a USA aircraft carrier.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:25 am


    Shocking is the Seawolf cheaper / simpler than the Yassen. LAter most likelly cost close as much as a USA aircraft carrier.

    If any Yasen boat cost even a large fraction of a Ford class CVN then Russia would not have any at all.
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:11 am

    GarryB wrote:

    If any Yasen boat cost even a large fraction of a Ford class CVN then Russia would not have any at all.

    Putin must've been financing them out of his pockets then. He could afford it Twisted Evil
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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:56 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Shocking is the Seawolf cheaper / simpler than the Yassen. LAter most likelly cost close as much as a USA aircraft carrier.

    If any Yasen boat cost even a large fraction of a Ford class CVN then Russia would not have any at all.
    USS Seawolf and her sister ships remain the most expensive attack submarines ever designed, with the standard boats having an estimated unit cost of $3.1 billion in 1983, or over $8.5 billion today, and Jimmy Carter costing even more.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43605/new-sonar-dome-for-the-navys-stricken-uss-connecticut-submarine-will-cost-at-least-10m



    Seawolf simpler than the Yasen, and cost 8.1 billion today's dollars.

    Yasen bigger, has more weapons, VLS, torpedo tubes, so it will cost more. And at 10billion you see the price tag of the carriers.


    Problem is the USA conomy started to specializate for financial an management things, means the workforce get very pricey, regardless of the job they done. Means one hour of USA worker vs. one hour of Russian worker with sanctoioned exhange rate will be extremly different.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:41 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43605/new-sonar-dome-for-the-navys-stricken-uss-connecticut-submarine-will-cost-at-least-10m
    in that case, even if it'll cost $20M, it'll most likely be refitted.
    While it's in the yard, it's crew may be detached to, & relieve the crew of the other sub to do its original mission.
    https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2021-12-23/1_1171_connecticut.html?print=Y


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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:29 am


    Seawolf simpler than the Yasen, and cost 8.1 billion today's dollars.

    Yasen bigger, has more weapons, VLS, torpedo tubes, so it will cost more. And at 10billion you see the price tag of the carriers.

    Russias military budget is 65 billion a year for four branches... Strategic forces gets top priority and Army and Air force also get higher priority than the Navy which is bottom of the rung of the four... so divide the 65 billion per year by four even pieces and you get just over 16 billion.... but it isn't divided equally by four pieces and the Navies cut is probably closer to 10 billion a year for which it has to pay for everything...

    Like I said, they wouldn't be buying any Yasens if they were ten billion each... that is the money they have to spend on everything each year.

    Problem is the USA conomy started to specializate for financial an management things, means the workforce get very pricey, regardless of the job they done. Means one hour of USA worker vs. one hour of Russian worker with sanctoioned exhange rate will be extremly different.

    The US Navy is much bigger and much more bloated and inefficient than the Russian Navy so direct comparisons really don't make sense... especially for value for money.

    The Su-57 costs about 40-50 million to buy for the Russian AF, which is peanuts compared with Rafale or F-35 let alone the F-22 price of 250 million per aircraft....

    The prices each force pays does not map across because the corruption in the west is rampant and criminal... and nothing to do with defence.

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    Post  Singular_Transform Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:01 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43605/new-sonar-dome-for-the-navys-stricken-uss-connecticut-submarine-will-cost-at-least-10m
    in that case, even if it'll cost $20M, it'll most likely be refitted.
    While it's in the yard, it's crew may be detached to, & relieve the crew of the other sub to do its original mission.
    https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2021-12-23/1_1171_connecticut.html?print=Y

    It is the sonar dome.


    It is like judging the repair bill of the car crashed into a brick wall based on the cost of a new front bumper.


    It is NOT the sonar, frontal structure, ballast tank, main pressure bulkhead, but only the spherical plastic / composite doom cover the sonar behind it.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:33 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:

    It is like judging the repair bill of the car crashed into a brick wall based on the cost of a new front bumper.

    It is NOT the sonar, frontal structure, ballast tank, main pressure bulkhead, but only the spherical plastic / composite doom cover the sonar behind it.

    Yup, before they have got it on a jig and up in the air in dry dock, to measure a few rather critical dimensions. For it to have just been the dome it would have needed to be moving at very low speed.

    Congress has apparently set aside $50m so far for the repair.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The prices each force pays does not map across because the corruption in the west is rampant and criminal... and nothing to do with defence.

    Its not just that Garry but its the costs of society that drive production costs.

    All the local property, social, business and other taxes on both industry and workers. Plus the cost of land and buildings all drive the base costs up. Then there are all the financial costs imposed by the West's financial systems.

    Then, as you say there are the costs of freeloaders and commissions.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:19 pm


    Virginia was detected by Il 38 and a submarine. Big US failure Laughing
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:30 pm

    Even their submarines have been robbed of their virtue. Call them De-Virginias next time.

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