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    Syrian Civil War: News #2

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:59 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Obama begins to surrender in Syria. Seems he is to announce end of $500 million programme to train Syrian rebels. If so then certainly he will make a statement that will make it seem he has won a great victory and the money and resources now used in better ways bla bla bla. I see this, no matter what semantics and obfuscations he uses, as a heavy defeat for him. https://www.rt.com/news/318107-obama-ends-syrian-rebels/

    Yeah but he surrenders to the hardline Saudis, not to Russia. This will escalate and it will be a miracle if it doesn't end up with Pyrotechnical effects inside Saudi Arabia.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:57 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:He was supposed to lead the operations around Aleppo. I think this whole operation will be a failure. How can someone that high ranking be on the frontlines without proper security. Question

    You don't know much about Iran and its armed forces do you?

    It is not extremely rare for high-rank officers to be killed during their work at frontline. For example, in Russia we have I. D. Cherniakovsky and N. Vatutin.

    And these examples didn't mean USSR security is loose.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:59 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:R. I. P.

    https://www.rt.com/news/318094-iranian-general-killed-syria/

    A general for Iran's Revolutionary Guards has been killed by ISIS in Syria, the guards said in a Friday statement. General Hossein Hamedani was killed while advising Syrian President Bashar Assad's army.

    Hamedani was reportedly overseeing the Quds Force, a special forces unit fighting rebels in Syria. The group has been declared a terrorist organization by the US. The general was known for leading a crackdown on protesters during 2009 demonstrations against the Iranian presidential vote results. He was previously the subject of international sanctions from several nations.
    He was supposed to lead the operations around Aleppo. I think this whole operation will be a failure. How can someone that high ranking be on the frontlines without proper security. Question

    Monarchist, you need to understand one thing: this is Middle East. What you see here is as good as it gets over there. Remember Saudis in Yemen? They actually have reputation for being one of the better armies in the region... Very Happy

    The core of any defense doctrine over there is nepotism.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:R. I. P.

    https://www.rt.com/news/318094-iranian-general-killed-syria/

    A general for Iran's Revolutionary Guards has been killed by ISIS in Syria, the guards said in a Friday statement. General Hossein Hamedani was killed while advising Syrian President Bashar Assad's army.

    Hamedani was reportedly overseeing the Quds Force, a special forces unit fighting rebels in Syria. The group has been declared a terrorist organization by the US. The general was known for leading a crackdown on protesters during 2009 demonstrations against the Iranian presidential vote results. He was previously the subject of international sanctions from several nations.
    He was supposed to lead the operations around Aleppo. I think this whole operation will be a failure. How can someone that high ranking be on the frontlines without proper security. Question

    Monarchist, you need to understand one thing: this is Middle East. What you see here is as good as it gets over there. Remember Saudis in Yemen? They actually have reputation for being one of the better armies in the region... Very Happy

    The core of any defense doctrine over there is nepotism.

    You might seriously revise your basics. KSA armed forces are a paper tiger. Compared to Iran, their most important and only asset is their Air Force which is a lame duck if not backed by the US. Their military strength has been proven by the Yemenis, time and again. I'm not even sure they would be able to take on Syria as it is now.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:06 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Obama begins to surrender in Syria. Seems he is to announce end of $500 million programme to train Syrian rebels. If so then certainly he will make a statement that will make it seem he has won a great victory and the money and resources now used in better ways bla bla bla. I see this, no matter what semantics and obfuscations he uses, as a heavy defeat for him. https://www.rt.com/news/318107-obama-ends-syrian-rebels/

    Yeah but he surrenders to the hardline Saudis, not to Russia. This will escalate and it will be a miracle if it doesn't end up with Pyrotechnical effects inside Saudi Arabia.

    You make sound like it's a bad thing...lol1
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:08 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:.....................................

    You might seriously revise your basics. KSA armed forces are a paper tiger. Compared to Iran, their most important and only asset is their Air Force which is a lame duck if not backed by the US. Their military strength has been proven by the Yemenis, time and again. I'm not even sure they would be able to take on Syria as it is now.

    Not trying to insult Iranians, I might have phrased it better, my bad. I war referring to Syria.

    But overall philosophy in Middle East is drastically different from what most folks would expect in the armed forces.
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    Post  zg18 Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:45 pm

    Fightings for Kafr Naboudah

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:59 pm

    This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw

    Air support? So Ass Carter wants to have US air assets swatted out the air like flies by the long arms of Kras-4?
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:33 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw

    Air support? So Ass Carter wants to have US air assets swatted out the air like flies by the long arms of Kras-4?

    Will be a great way test out the equipment.
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    Post  par far Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw


    Couple of things need to happen and happen fast, Russia needs to send in more Su 30's because they will need them and the SAA and allies need to go in a big offensive and win more territory fast.
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    Post  Solncepek Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:45 pm

    Syrian summary of the volunteer with the call sign "Timur".

    "A native of Donbass with the call sign" Timur ", who is now in the detachments of the Kurdish militia, responsible for coordination with the units of the Syrian army, gave" Russian Spring "a summary of the fighting army of ATS and the Russian aircraft during the last two days.

    The direction of the main attack

    The operation of government troops in Syria unfolds on two main areas.

    The first task - Hama. The capital of the province, rich developed city, is located in a sort of semicircle territories seized by militants and terrorists. There currently are fighting for the city of Kefar Nbuda located in a couple dozen kilometers to the north of Hama. On the eve of the militants retreated here from the area of ​​Qalaat Madiken and Mgayr. Taking this point opens up the way government troops on rebel positions in the areas of Habit, El Latamny, Kfar-go and Khan Shaykhun.

    The second direction - north and south of the province of Latakia province of Idlib. It is being offensive along the mountain ridges, the plain Sahl al-Gab. To develop successful government forces is impossible without taking a militant fortifications on the heights. These positions allow terrorists to fire just plain through, on both sides. Big problem for the government forces are the US anti-tank guided systems (ATGM) "Tau-1", which the militants used efficiently and effectively.

    Early successes

    On the night of 8 October 9, Syrian special forces desperate brutal attack took the village of Al-Nakus Harbat. Now there is a fight for the opposite fortified enemy. Its capture would allow the Syrian troops move forward towards Idlib.

    The enemy of the Syrian army confronts serious. Most of the areas in this part of the country controlled by terrorist groups, "al-Nusra Dzhebhat" * and "Al Qaeda". * It built a rigid chain of command units, they are well provided with means of communication, techniques and know the requirements of modern warfare have military experience and well armed. Through foreign sponsors they have tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored vehicles, equipment, finding and already mentioned ATGM.

    The role of aviation in Russia

    Chief of the General Staff of the armed forces of the Syrian General Ali Ayoub was right, noting the role of the Russian air operations against LIH * and allies, "al-Qaeda". The Syrian army and militia were able to save manpower and resources to armaments. But without undermining the system of command and militant struggle for freedom from the terror of the country would cost the Syrian people huge new victims.

    Meanwhile, the Russian air force continues to strike terrorist targets. Infrastructure LIH and other terrorist groups affected by the Russian aviation in the areas of Deir al-Zor, Damascus and Aleppo.

    During the day, it was struck several terrorist bandit groups, hidden command center, communications hub, gun emplacements and underground shelters, storage of ammunition and armament repair shop. It is learned that as a result of hitting the outpost near mureck militant was seriously wounded the head of the local group "Muhammad al-Shamshan."
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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:49 pm

    not sure if its a double post. but here's footage of the Battle at Deir-Al Zoor airforce base 7th october 2015. ISIS suffered heavy casualties trying to assault the base defended by SAA that retook the base days before from ISIS.


    https://www.facebook.com/syrianmilitary/videos/927481987333184/
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:06 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw

    a select group of vetted leaders and their units

    If, as according to the globe and mail we have only 5 moderate fighters left out of 60, just who is the Obama Administration supplying??
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    Post  zorobabel Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:10 pm

    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw


    Couple of things need to happen and happen fast, Russia needs to send in more Su 30's because they will need them and the SAA and allies need to go in a big offensive and win more territory fast.
    Don't know if it is true but I have heard today that these will be the fighters linked to the Euphrates Volcano operation with the YPG. We'll see.
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:10 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:R. I. P.

    https://www.rt.com/news/318094-iranian-general-killed-syria/

    A general for Iran's Revolutionary Guards has been killed by ISIS in Syria, the guards said in a Friday statement. General Hossein Hamedani was killed while advising Syrian President Bashar Assad's army.

    Hamedani was reportedly overseeing the Quds Force, a special forces unit fighting rebels in Syria. The group has been declared a terrorist organization by the US. The general was known for leading a crackdown on protesters during 2009 demonstrations against the Iranian presidential vote results. He was previously the subject of international sanctions from several nations.


    I thought Iranians dismissed those claims as rumons today.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:14 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:This will stir the mud up, my highlight.

    "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is now directing the Department of Defense to provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL. We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028279521/us-air-support-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3o5fOqfWw


    Couple of things need to happen and happen fast, Russia needs to send in more Su 30's because they will need them and the SAA and allies need to go in a big offensive and win more territory fast.
    Don't know if it is true but I have heard today that these will be the fighters linked to the Euphrates Volcano operation with the YPG. We'll see.

    YPG? As in Kurds?

    Erdogan will be pissing gasoline...lol1
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    Post  zorobabel Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:17 pm

    Solncepek wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:If the SAA cannot rapidly close this pocket with the support of Russian airstrikes, Russian CAS, Hezbollah, and Iranians in the NDF, I have my doubts that they'll ever be able to regain much of the country. The next few days are crucial.

    As for the future, the Gulf states will flood the opposition with even more TOWs now.

    I completely agree with you..
    They have problems with this little pocket, what to say about Jisr-As-Shugur, Idlib, Allepo..I dont want even to imagine...
    Something with their tactics is completely wrong. Probably the better idea is to make active advances during the night with massive support of combat UAVs.
    Don't know why Iran is not sending a large number of Shahed-129s, Mohajers and Fotros (they have combat versions)...I think they will be quite good for non-stop tactical support of advancing infantry units.
    Yes, it's worrying and progress in the pocket seems to have slowed dramatically. Saudi Arabia said they delivered 500 more Tows to the rebels. That's a big problem and one reason why the SAA needs to be making swifter progress.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:18 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Obama begins to surrender in Syria. Seems he is to announce end of $500 million programme to train Syrian rebels. If so then certainly he will make a statement that will make it seem he has won a great victory and the money and resources now used in better ways bla bla bla. I see this, no matter what semantics and obfuscations he uses, as a heavy defeat for him. https://www.rt.com/news/318107-obama-ends-syrian-rebels/

    omg he is the worst President ever!

    Obama Administration Halts Program to Train Syrians to Combat ISIS

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/pentagon-program-islamic-state-syria.html?_r=0

    In a letter to the State Department, the Pentagon and the C.I.A. last week, four senators — three Democrats and a Republican — criticized the program. “The Syria Train and Equip Program goes beyond simply being an inefficient use of taxpayer dollars,” the senators wrote. “As many of us initially warned, it is now aiding the very forces we aim to defeat.”

    The senators — Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut; Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia; Tom Udall, Democrat of New Mexico; and Mike Lee, Republican of Utah — were referring to the latest debacle of the program.

    Some of the American-trained Syrian fighters gave at least a quarter of their United States-provided equipment to the Qaeda affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front, the United States Central Command acknowledged in late September.

    In a statement correcting earlier assertions that reports of the turnover were a “lie” and a militant propaganda ploy, the Central Command said it had subsequently been notified that the Syrian rebels had “surrendered” some of their equipment — including six pickup trucks and a portion of their ammunition — to the Nusra Front. Those rebels, unlike any who would be part of the new program, were trained and equipped outside Syria.

    More broadly, the program has suffered from a shortage of recruits willing to fight the Islamic State instead of the army of Mr. Assad, a problem Mr. Obama mentioned at a news conference last Friday.

    The administration was expected to provide classified briefings to lawmakers and their senior aides on Capitol Hill on Friday to explain the impending changes to the train and equip program.

    “The opposition and their regional backers (In OTHER WORDS SAUDI ARABIA, ETC.) wanted the program, they just couldn’t accept ISIS as the priority and U.S. ambiguity on taking out Assad,” said Andrew J. Tabler, an expert on Syria at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Like in the Iraq war, you can’t expect people to fight on your behalf unless you give them what they want. We got the politics wrong yet again.”
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:02 pm

    "Saudi official: new batch of 500 TOW anti-tank missiles delivered this week to Syrian FSA rebels."

    Source: https://twitter.com/FrankRGardner/status/652438725612449792

    If someone figures which Saudi official id like to know.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:03 pm

    Damn... Those TOWboys need to get a good dose of TOS before inflicting any damage.

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    Post  Heartbeer Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:34 pm

    So any news or good info from the ground? Is the offensive proceeding on?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:... We will monitor the progress these groups make and provide them with air support as they take the fight to ISIL," the statement said.

    But did anybody believe that?
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    Post  par far Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:46 pm

    Militarov wrote:"Saudi official: new batch of 500 TOW anti-tank missiles delivered this week to Syrian FSA rebels."

    Source: https://twitter.com/FrankRGardner/status/652438725612449792

    If someone figures which Saudi official id like to know.


    The Defence Minister of Saudi Arabia, Prince Mohammed bin Salman is going to visit Putin soon, hopefully Putin tells him, you want to support the terrorists in Syria and Iraq, then the Houthis are going to get advanced weapons, see how they like that.


    http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/asia/09-10-2015/132283-saudi_defense_minister_russia_syria-0/

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