The Religion Thread

Play stupid games... win stupid prizes...

They have a long history of hippocracy... if you are telling the truth but about western crimes like Assange or Snowden or Manning you are either in jail or exile... if they were Chinese or Russian or North Korean they would be on the front page of Time magazine because they are saving the world...

Crimes are not crimes when western heros are responsible... exposing real crimes and doing you civic duty is a crime in the west... in fact Assange is a more widely known criminal than the people responsible for real war crimes that he exposed that were never brought to justice...

This is the sort of corruption and double standards that Russia and China and now the growing BRICS family are fighting... ironic because the west is so moralistic and ethical you would think it would be something they were starting...

Reality is objective by definition. If it was a subjective construct of a collection of observers, then it would have no coherence and predictable properties. That the
perception of observers is fuzzy and tainted with subjectivity is irrelevant for reality. There is no law that requires the human brain to have a full grip on reality. There is
some threshold for survival but anything more refined was never selected for.

Relativity came out around 1900 when we had some sort of subjectivist spasm such as people believing that if you jump off a cliff onto some rocks and if you wish hard enough you
will not get splattered. Around the same time we had the BS of channeling dead people, etc. Relativity is subjectivist excrement and anti-science. It is a bait and switch
use of the Lorentz equations where moving frames are renormalized (transformed to the v=0 state) when this is not valid. There is absolute motion and anything that moves
is in a distorted (v not zero) frame. It does not matter that any observer in a moving frame perceives it as if it was a v=0 frame. The subjective perception of an observer
does not exclude the objective fact that his moving frame is distorted. So any transformation between frames requires knowledge of the absolute motion of the frames. This
makes it harder, but reductionist and subjectivist thinking is not a justification for ignoring this.

Quantum mechanics subjectivism is more of the same excrement. The Copenhagen interpretation is deep dark voodoo. No magic observers exist that "collapse" wave functions.
All observers are entangled with everything they observe. Schroedinger's equation got grossly misinterpreted by Born with his probability distribution BS. Schroedinger had the
right wave mechanics interpretation. His cat in a box (both dead and alive) caricature was a criticism of the Born nonsense. Einstein's intuition was very sharp in some fields if
not in relativity and he was right in his criticism of QM. He was also right about the non-existence of black holes even though every dog and its flea attributes them to Einstein.

Since human perception is limited and human knowledge is limited, more to reality than we know is not excluded. What people call supernatural could be natural even if most of
the claims are mental derangement and/or attention seeking. Reality may even have a "guiding hand" aspect as if there is some God. But gods are obvious human constructs.

I will concede that the nature of objective reality can have fuzzy properties. A type of macro quantum mechanics where multiple non-local states are coupled with each other
and what manifests as "the" reality is emergent and in some way influenced by the observer. This idea is rather dissonant since we supposedly do not see any such macro
QM effects. But nothing requires them to be 1:1 maps of the micro QM. You may not be able to penetrate walls like particles can penetrate out of potential wells, but you
may be influencing what events go on around you. Even though supposedly such events are deterministic and described by classical mechanics. In other words, your
trajectory through "phase space" with all the branching possibilities may be non-deterministic. My idea is a bit hard to convey, so I don't expect any acceptance.

BTW, this related to the non-existence of any time dimension. The space-time construct of Minkowski is BS since it establishes a continous line of instances of any object running
from the arbitrary past to the arbitrary future in a super-deterministic fashion. There is no such super-determinism. The you of yesterday and tomorrow simply do not exist.
There is only the absolute present and change is not merely movement on a time dimension.

So what is the point of life ?

We are the creation of chance, of perpetual repetition of processes that were imperfect and eventually the creation of star dust, which is what we are became sentient.

There was not plan, it just happened and when you look at it you live in a world of rules and restrictions that limit what you can or cannot do... you can work with others to help make things better for yourself and your family and friends and countrymen and humanity, or you can do things just for yourself. You are free to break any rules you please and sometimes there will be no consequence, but sometimes the consequences will be severe... and sometimes the consequences of things other people do will effect you.

Leading a good life following the rules wont keep you safe, bad luck and good luck come to everyone if you live long enough.

Don't expect being diagnosed with cancer will mean you win lotto, things are not related and bad guys get away with terrible things and good guys almost never get the credit they deserve, but if you can steal from others because you think you deserve what they have more than they do, you might get to endure a punishment now or you might get away with it.

Regarding what happens when you die, well a caterpillar has no eyes and no ears and just eats leaves and keeps munching away with no concept of being able to fly or what that would mean. As a natural progression of its life cycle that we can observe but it cannot possibly understand it creates a cocoon and transforms into a butterfly and gets eyes and senses that a caterpillar wouldn't understand and it can fly... but when it gets caught in a spiders web or a bird gets it and eats it... what does it think... perhaps it might think it was better off as a caterpillar eating leaves, or maybe it wouldn't trade that time in its life when it could fly.

In both cases it is running from predators while hunting for food... does the next existence mean an easy life and relaxation or will it remain a fight for life with limited resources where the first up are the best dressed and everyone else struggles alone?

If there is one thing we should learn from life is numbers matter... one person on their own does not have the knowledge or capacity to build motorways and sky scrapers and pyramids... but together we can leave the ground and reach the moon. On your own you might eek out an existence living in a hut or cave... but the next fight you have with a large animal might injure you and you die because you can't gather food, or the wound becomes infected.

The irony is that I don't need religion to tell me that killing other people is bad, yet the real irony is that I don't kill people by choice, but those religious people whose own rules say thou shalt not kill will readily kill a non believer in their religion if they get the chance... because thou shalt not kill only means thou shalt not kill someone who has the same god and the same religion and believes the same things I do... if they are a different sect or different religion or have no religion then kill them.

Instead the athiest in me says that not killing other people is not a law of god, but a rule of man that applies to all men... but people of religion say I am dangerous for having no faith in imaginary gods.

What makes you think they are not human?

For all we know those grey aliens like Paul are actually fully human and are from the year 600,000 AD.

The year they invented time travel. What they are doing now is seeding the past of their own universe to speed things up.... the first time through humans didn't happen till the universe was 50 billion years old and we had luck on our side that we evaded extinction multiple times by the hand of other alien civilisations around that the time... we barely made it to the point where we invented time travel... something no other alien race managed to achieve by that time so the humans... such as they were decided to speed things up and seed this planet which of course didn't exist in their time scale with the very basic DNA they started out with.

Obviously in their time they developed all sorts of DNA fixes but they wanted us/them to evolve naturally and so they tweaked our evolution... obviously the planet surface they grew up on was different but maybe their early history was not a lot different from the one we have... religion and communism, learning to work together instead of evil individualism that might have led to our total destruction several times over.

Obviously their intention is to predate all the alien races that dominated the universe in 50 billion years time and either take them out or domesticate them before they get dangerous.

Obviously it will be a secret programme and only a select few will actually travel in time and ensure mistakes are not made, but if they are they can fix them because they have a time machine and humans were born in a galaxy made of the dust of the dust of the dust of suns billions of light years away.

(I should write Sci Fi ).

The argument that religion imparts critical social values such as "thou shall not kill" is total BS. These are traits selected for by evolution. No tribe would survive if it spent all its
time consuming itself via murderous strife. Of course, evolution does not produce clockwork perfect species that follow precise rules. It is fuzzy so you have some percentage of
the human population who are deficient and can become serial killers, etc.

We now have the Sodomite "woke" religion and it is producing depravity.