
Do you know why are American Evangelical Christians called fundamentalists? Not for their violence - but adult baptism, creationism. literal ressurection of Christ etc. stuff like that.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Maybe because Islamic radicals want to kill everyone who disagrees with them and actually put their ideas into practice?Christian fundamentalists don't do that or at least do that on a scale that is orders of magnitude smaller. Other than a handful of attacks on abortion clinics (in which some 20 people died over 40 yr timeframe... in a country with 200+ mln ppl), there is hardly any violence that you can acuse US fundamentalists of.
Do you know why are American Evangelical Christians called fundamentalists? Not for their violence - but adult baptism, creationism. literal ressurection of Christ etc. stuff like that.
Werewolf wrote:american christian nutheads are catholic pal.
jhelb wrote:Werewolf wrote:american christian nutheads are catholic pal.
Really?? You serious about this??
FYI the vast majority of nutheads are Evangelicals.
Cowboy's daughter wrote:jhelb wrote:
Really?? You serious about this??
FYI the vast majority of nutheads are Evangelicals.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I watched a part of that documentary posted by Werewolf and read several articles about the Akha people? And honestly - what is the connection between actions of that missionary and the teachings of Christianity?It appears that he was simply approached by the Thai government and asked to get tid of some unwanted tribe. He did not provide any verses from the Bible to justify his actions, he did not quote any Christian theologians etc. When ISIS started taking Ezidi women as slaves, they quoted several verses from the Quran, numerous hadiths and opinions of several Muslim jurists (including the greatest scholars of Islam that ever lived), to justify their actions. Did that missionary provide evidence of similar callibre?
Anyway, how is sterilizing a few thousand people comparable to killing MILLIONS? Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq killed several times more civilians than this and genocide of Hindus by Pak army in 1971 claimed at least 5 times that much lives by the lowest estimate.
I am not claiming that Christian terroristm does not exist. It does exist, just in truly minuscule numbers. Even Jewish religious terrorism is more bloody than Christian one, taking into account demographic discrepancy of collosal scale.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Muslim terrorism quote verses from the Quran all the time and Ultraorthodox Jews also quote verses from the Torah to justify intolerance of Palestinians. But Christian terrorists have a tough nut to crack when it comes to justifying their actions with scriptural evidence. They never have any evidence except "we think so so we do it"
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Separation of religion of state is a bare minimum required to be called a civilized country - but it's an internal matter and every country should sort this problem on it's own. Britain, France, Germany, Austria, USA, Russia etc. (all European countries basically) all solved this problem at some point between late 17th and mid 19th century, at least to the degree that people are no longer punished for crimes against God (vestiges of state religion remain in every country). Britain did not need France to secularize, France did not need Britain, Germany did not need France and Austria etc.
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Tsavo Lion wrote:The clip creators claim to speak from the Chinese POV. The notion that China wants to dominate the World is incorrect. If she did, Kublai Khan troops would have reached & occupied W. Europe even before the Polo brothers reached him; the Ming fleet of giant junks would've stopped the Portuguese from reaching E. Africa & India, & the Americas, Australia & NZ would've been colonized by her. Rather, she wants to deny any single nation or group of nations such domination & thus secure her own well being.
After all, China was plundered by the West, Russia & Japan since the Opium Wars & until 1949. Imported low wage Chinese labor supported the same countries' economies, while the Christian influenced Taiping Rebellion killed 20–30M people.
If he hadn't read it, he wouldn't be inspired by it to make trouble.From the Wiki: "In 1843, after carefully reading a pamphlet he had received years before from a Protestant Christian missionary,.."
I don't think it's fair to call the rebellion "Christian influenced", especially since Christianity (i.e. Orthodox Christianity) is pretty much by definition anti-revolutionary and thus doesn't promote any kind of rebellion.
Tsavo Lion wrote:If he hadn't read it, he wouldn't be inspired by it to make trouble.
Protestantism was not above a rebellion- recall decades of religious wars in Europe.
In our time there's the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa.
In fact, Japan avoided being colonized thanks to the timely expulsion of Christian missionaries & killing of local converts.
In China, the Boxer Rebellion came to late.
regardless of which teaching he learned 1st, they r all monotheistic, & while fighting Muslims he used it to justify his ideology- similar to the 19th century Manifest Destiny in the USA.With respect to the Chingis Khan thing...I don't see how that has to do with Christianity; Islam and Judaism also believe in One God..
to the Orientals, there's more than 1 truth- Christianity is just 1 more teaching that some of them find helpful, while they & don't discard/integrate elements of it with Confucianist, Buddhist, Taoist & animist beliefs & practices. The same person will practice Confucianism in his daily life, Buddhism at a funeral, & Taoism when learning/practicing self healing/visual/martial arts & visiting a TCM doctor...China could greatly benefit from a Christianization and the fact that, despite the persecution, so many people are participating in (even properly Orthodox) liturgies there shows that these people hunger for the Truth.
My point is that just because someone claims to be Christian or claims to be inspired by what he thinks Christianity is doesn't mean that actual Christianity is now responsible for his actions...also, "monotheistic" is a term that can mean different things; from our view most Roman Catholics are actually polytheists and Muslims are pantheists with a rather unclear status of "monotheism" (but this only becomes apparent when deep diving into the theology).regardless of which teaching he learned 1st, they r all monotheistic, & while fighting Muslims he used it to justify his ideology- similar to the 19th century Manifest Destiny in the USA.
There is big difference between coexistence in harmony and subservience. The ROC has supported the state when it was doing things it approved of and seeing how the Tsarist state was mostly leading the country in a very Orthodox manner, there was no reason to form any kind of "opposition"; this changed with the October Revolution, however, and the ROC certainly didn't bow down and support the communists, which is why they killed and tortured more than 50,000 priests, raped nuns and destroyed almost all monasteries and most Church buildings. It is no coincidence that so many people fled Russia after the revolution that they were able to found an entire new local Church (ROCOR - the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) that then initiated a schism with the ROC once the few remaining ROC bishops in communist Russia started conceding to the communists' demands with the public declaration of then-Metropolitan Sergius in 1927, who, in his faithlessness, though to be fair under great hardship, capitulated to the atheists and started the process of allowing the ROC to be undermined by KGB agents and unbelievers. This is why it took more than 15 years after the fall of the Soviet Union for ROCOR to reunite with ROC...ROCOR was very insistent that any remnant of so-called Sergianism is purged. The fact that even today only a little more than 5% of the Russian population can simultaneously fit into ROC parish churches, despite the fact that Russia has been building on average 3 churches per day in the last 15 years and was a very Christian country before the revolution with a population of about 90 million of which most could fit into a church on Sunday and important holidays, shows the massive destruction that was wreaked, so the notion that the ROC was only ever a tool of the government is absurd, but unfortunately quite popular in the West, which, IMO, is simply a projection of what they know of "their own Church", which certainly does serve Western elites no matter the ideology and has for a long time (you can find images of Protestant ministers doing the Hitler salute in Nazi Germany and it's abundantly clear that today both most Protestant organizations as well as the RC Pope clearly push Western Liberalism).Since the Kievan Rus baptism in 988, the Russian Orthodox Church always served the state. in the USSR & now Russia, it was/is under the KGB/FSB control.
true, but its Westward expansion "from sea to shining sea" was justified in the name of progress & anti-paganism/animism/catholicism, as those lifeways/religions were practiced by the Natives & Mexicans that stood in the way.The USA was never Orthodox.
Slavic-paganism-make-its-way-to-the-practice-of-Orthodox-Christianity-in-Russia: Eastern Orthodoxy: Mirror Image of Pagan Romanism..from our view most Roman Catholics are actually polytheists..
Peter the Great changed the ROC rights, installed a new Patriarch, & sent the Old Believers to hiding in Siberia & later abroad. Patriarchs Alexis & now Kirill was/is working hand in glove with KGB/FSB & Putin...the notion that the ROC was only ever a tool of the government is absurd,..
most Chinese Christians r Protestants, Baptists or Catholics, not Orthodox- I doubt there will be a huge following of Orthodoxy there. Like in India, there'll be more Buddhists & Muslims there than all the Christians combined. Official statistics don’t exist, but the Pew Research Center, which surveys religious belief worldwide, estimates some 245 million Buddhists in China, around 18% of the total national population. Another 21% of Chinese adhere to folk religions that often incorporate Buddhist beliefs, according to Pew. Buddhism Is Growing in China, But Remains in Legal Limbo .....Orthodox Christianity makes a very compelling case for itself, which is why it's growing much better than the other "denominations", and not just in the East.