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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:46 am

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Why don't they cover quays with something so the US and the whole world can't see what are they doing, like in the Soviet times?

    for long time nobody knew about Poseidon... perhaps Russians want West to see them?


    Talkin about Harpsichord UAV

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:45 am

    in Russian original is alos this crap bout 17 drones not types of drones ;-)


    Russia is developing 17 submarine drones


    MOSCOW, October 31 - RIA News. Seventeen unmanned underwater vehicles are being developed today in Russia, said President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov on Wednesday.

    He presented this information as part of a presentation devoted to the prospects of domestic shipbuilding in the next 20 years. According to the data on one of the slides, 17 underwater UAVs are currently being developed in the Russian Federation.

    "We look at what is happening in the world, including gliders, when underwater vehicles can move without recharging batteries at a distance of two equators. With the principle, everything is very simple - with us, while the vehicles are set in motion by a propeller, simply due to the increase and decrease of lift, in fact, we are talking about pumping and dumping ballast, thereby it can go up to 80 thousand kilometers, "he said, commenting on the slide dedicated to underwater drone machines.



    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20181031/1531865761.html
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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:38 pm

    New article on Garmoniya-GUIDE large displacement unmanned underwater vehicle (LDUUV)

    http://www.hisutton.com/Ru_Garmoniya-GID_AUV.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:02 am

    Interesting concept... imagine a glider with a wing that is lighter than air so it can climb and use a propeller for forward flight speed but then just change ballast status to climb or descend with the aero or in this case the hydrofoil shaped generating lift as it descends and turns it into horizontal speed.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 09, 2020 7:18 pm


    Meanwhile in the real world:

    Russian autonomous underwater vehicle Vityaz reached the bottom of the Mariana Trench

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4020072.html

    (More photos in link)

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    UUV was launched from rescue tug Fotoii Krylov (earlier photo):

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    Post  Isos on Sat May 09, 2020 7:28 pm

    Is there any interesting achievement by doing so ? They better spend money on something usefull instead of peopaganda project.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat May 09, 2020 8:38 pm

    The enhancement of ocean resource exploitation requires faster growth of deep submergence operation technology.

    In the future the exploitation and production systems of deep sea oil and gas will largely be laid down on the seabed.The vehicles and equipments for assembling, testing, operating and maintaining etc. of these systems need to be further developed to reduce the difficulties induced by bad climate, high waves and large depth in exploiting deep sea resources.
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    Post  Hole on Sat May 09, 2020 9:39 pm

    Isos wrote:Is there any interesting achievement by doing so ? They better spend money on something usefull instead of peopaganda project.

    The UUV was fully autonomous and used AI, according to a report. Very useful for military and economical applications.
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    Post  George1 on Sat May 09, 2020 11:03 pm

    Vityaz became the world's first fully autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicle to reach the deepest point in the oceans. It is an integral part of the super-deep-sea diving complex, the development of which was launched in September 2017, when Russian shipbuilders began implementing an innovative project to create a mobile marine robotic complex, designed for scientific research in any part of the World Ocean.

    The super-deep-sea diving complex is capable of operating at the extreme depths of the oceans. It received its name in honor of the research vessel Vityaz, which for nearly 20 years was the flagship of the expeditionary fleet of the USSR.

     The Vityaz complex includes an autonomous uninhabited apparatus, a deep-sea bottom station and control room equipment. The naval equipment of the complex provides information exchange of the carrier vessel with the underwater vehicle and the bottom station in real time via the sonar channel. The complex consists entirely of components of domestic production.

     Unlike the Kaiko and Nereus devices that previously worked in this area, the Vityaz device operates completely autonomously. Thanks to the use of artificial intelligence elements in the control system of the device, it can independently bypass obstacles along the course, find a way out of a limited space and solve other intellectual problems.

    “The May 8 dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench was the first step in a series of Vityaz experiments,” said Andrei Grigoryev, Director General of the Advanced Research Foundation.
    “This is the first of the experiments planned under the Vityaz project. It was carried out jointly by Russian shipbuilders and scientific teams of the Russian Academy of Sciences with the support of the Pacific Fleet. The success of the experiment confirmed the fidelity of the design solutions chosen by the developers, and also demonstrated effective and fruitful cooperation within the framework of a wide cooperation of project participants, "said Andrei Grigoriev.

    Immersion of the Vityaz submarine at the bottom of the Mariana Trench was carried out from the rescue tugboat Fotiy Krylov of the Pacific Fleet.
     The project to create a deep autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicle Vityaz-D (D - “demonstrator”) with an estimated diving depth of up to 12 thousand meters was first submitted by the Russian Advanced Research Foundation (FPI) in 2018, the project was implemented with the participation of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Technical implementation was provided by Central Design JSC

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun May 10, 2020 12:36 am

    Isos wrote:Is there any interesting achievement by doing so ? They better spend money on something usefull instead of peopaganda project.

    This UUV is dual use buddy. It's part of the oceangraphic studies of the ocean floor which aids with the navigation of weapons like Poseidon and helps map for oil and mineral deposits.
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    Post  kvs on Sun May 10, 2020 2:51 am

    propaganda project

    Get f*cked. If it was some NATzO self-anointed guiding light of humanity doing this then you and your countrymen would be
    singing the praises of "advanced western tech". But anything Russia does is "propaganda". Take a hint, sunshine, Russians
    don't give a flying f*ck what sanctimonious western prats believe. All you losers do is engage in hate and inferiority projection.
    Get a life.

    Controlling a robotic submersible 10 km below the ocean surface is not some trivial task. Water is not exactly translucent to
    EM waves.
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    Post  kvs on Sun May 10, 2020 2:51 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Is there any interesting achievement by doing so ? They better spend money on something usefull instead of peopaganda project.

    This UUV is dual use buddy. It's part of the oceangraphic studies of the ocean floor which aids with the navigation of weapons like Poseidon and helps map for oil and mineral deposits.

    Nothing Russians do is ever good enough for racist western trash.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun May 10, 2020 3:38 am

    I should have thought the significance was apparent. If Russia can build a fully autonomous UUV that can navigate to the bottom of the Marianas trench, drop a package, and return to Mothership then they are fully capable of building control systems capable of guiding a nuclear-powered unlimited-endurance Poseidon through the worlds deep oceans to deliver thermonuclear retribution to a major US coastal city.

    It also makes me think that the estimates of Poseidons maximum operating depth might be a little short of the mark. It won't be designed to cruise around the bottom of teh abyssal trenches but 1000-2000m sounds more than likely. Cruising deep and slow would make detection almost impossible, and make interception a nightmare.
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    Post  George1 on Sun May 10, 2020 3:57 am

    TsKB MT Rubin about the "Vityaz–D" underwater vehicle


     As previously reported, on May 8, 2020, the Russian autonomous uninhabited underwater research apparatus Vityaz-D dived to the bottom of the Mariana Trench from the side of the Pacific Fleet rescue ship Fotiy Krylov. During the mission, mapping and video recording of the seabed were made, the parameters of the marine environment were studied. During this dive, a pennant was installed at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War.

     In this regard, the developer of the Vityaz-D apparatus of JSC Central Design Bureau of Marine Equipment Rubin issued a press release informing:

     Autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicle of the Vityaz-D super-deep diving complex (c) JSC Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering

     Work on the creation of the complex began in September 2017, when the Rubin Central Design Bureau of Marine Equipment, together with the Advanced Research Foundation, formed a laboratory for robotic underwater complexes. Its goal is the implementation of an innovative project to create a Vityaz-D robotic complex, designed to perform ultra-deep diving and conduct scientific research in any part of the World Ocean, including areas previously inaccessible to humans. The customer of this complex project was the Perspective Research Foundation.

     During the implementation of the project, new construction materials were created that provide the necessary strength characteristics and buoyancy of autonomous super-deep-sea vehicles, navigation and communications, control, and the necessary payload.

     The co-executors of the project included the Shtil Scientific Research Institute of Hydrocommunications, the Central Research Institute of Robotics and Technical Cybernetics (SSC RF Central Research Institute of the RTK), the Institute of Marine Technology Problems of the Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IPMT FEB RAS) and other organizations.

       The Vityaz-D super-deep diving complex is capable of operating at the extreme depths of the oceans. It got its name in honor of the famous research vessel Vityaz, which for almost 20 years was the flagship of the USSR expeditionary fleet.

     The Vityaz-D complex includes an autonomous uninhabited apparatus (ANPA SGP), a deep-sea bottom station (GDS SN), and control room equipment. The naval equipment of the complex provides information exchange of the carrier vessel with the underwater vehicle and the bottom station in real time via the sonar channel. The complex consists entirely of components of domestic production.

     ANPA SGP "Vityaz-D" is a permeable structure of zero buoyancy, power bases are made of titanium alloys. External contours are made of spheroplastic, which compensates for the excess weight of the device and gives it a streamlined shape. The apparatus is driven by four marching and ten thrusters electric motors.

     The Vityaz payload includes echo sounders, sonar navigation and communications equipment, side-scan sonars, video cameras, and other research equipment. This equipment allows the apparatus to perform survey-search and bathymetric survey of the area, sampling to study the structure of the upper layer of bottom soil, sonar survey of the bottom topography, and measurements of hydrophysical parameters of the marine environment. The device is capable of independently avoiding obstacles along the course, including leaving a limited space using elements of artificial intelligence in the control system.

     The deep-sea bottom station in the process of fulfilling the mission acts as an underwater base station - the device autonomously establishes communication with the GDS SN via a sonar channel and makes adjustments to its location. Also, the deepwater station is capable of transmitting control commands from the carrier vessel to the AUV. The station body, as well as the body of the Vityaz-D apparatus, is made of titanium alloys and high-strength spheroplastic.

    According to the General Director of the Foundation for Advanced Research Andrei Grigoryev:

     “The deep-sea diving carried out within the framework of the Vityaz-D project is the first of a series of experiments that were planned and carried out jointly by JSC Central Design Bureau MT Rubin, Pacific Fleet and FPI. The success of the experiment confirmed the fidelity of the design solutions chosen by the developers of the Vityaz-D complex. Along with solving scientific and technological problems, the possibility of fruitful cooperation within the framework of wide cooperation of project participants was demonstrated. We thank, first of all, the command of the Navy, the United Shipbuilding Corporation, JSC TsKB MT Rubin and other organizations of domestic industry that took part


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun May 10, 2020 4:24 am

    Not sure where the photos were taken, but its not the Philippines or over the Mariana trench. Old photos from testing in Russian home waters I'm guessing.

    BTW there is clear common ancestry with Harpsicord, but thats hardly surprising.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun May 10, 2020 4:40 am

    kvs wrote:
    Controlling a robotic submersible 10 km below the ocean surface is not some trivial task.   Water is not exactly translucent to
    EM waves.    

    What do you think will be the preferred form of communication between this UUV and it's oceanographic mothership? Could it have been ELF communication, or a dipping sonar that emits a direct beam SASER (sonic equivalent of laser using phonons instead of photons) in the terahertz range, or perhaps both? It should be noted that the US Navy shutdown the last of it's ELF communication facilities back in 2004, which means their ability they could intercept ELF comms between motherships and their UUV's would be slim. I'm guessing the motherships could use ELF comms to track their UUV, a dipping sonar SASER to directly guide the UUV, and perhaps a backup seafloor bed inertial guidance integration in the drone.
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    Post  kvs on Sun May 10, 2020 4:48 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Controlling a robotic submersible 10 km below the ocean surface is not some trivial task.   Water is not exactly translucent to
    EM waves.    

    What do you think will be the preferred form of communication between this UUV and it's oceanographic mothership? Could it have been ELF communication, or a dipping sonar that emits a direct beam SASER (sonic equivalent of laser using phonons instead of photons) in the terahertz range, or perhaps both? It should be noted that the US Navy shutdown the last of it's ELF communication facilities back in 2004, which means their ability they could intercept ELF comms between motherships and their UUV's would be slim. I'm guessing the motherships could use ELF comms to track their UUV, a dipping sonar SASER to directly guide the UUV, and perhaps a backup seafloor bed inertial guidance integration in the drone.

    There is no indication that I am aware of as to the nature of the communication solution. I think the primary mode will be autonomous
    "cruise missile" travel with a dynamic bathymetry assessment system. They cannot feed high resolution bathymetry data into any drone
    since such data does not exist. So the drone has to scan the topography and is also useful for mapping it. As for communication
    to the "mothership" your ideas are as good as mine. I think there will be communications pods lowered to some depth (3 km?) at
    certain locations that can be used to interact with the drone. Maybe it will also come to the surface like a submarine. But pods
    allow the drone to stay hidden. It may well be that the pods are another class of drone that also travels at "mid depth" and forms
    part of a layered communication infrastructure. As long as the enemy does not know where you are, then it is OK.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 10, 2020 7:54 am

    Nothing Russians do is ever good enough for racist western trash.

    You are correct regarding the double standard, but I think you also need to calm down a bit.

    It is certainly progress in underwater systems that will be useful if they have underwater emergencies in the future... and they are going to continue to operate under water so emergencies are always on the cards unfortunately.

    The more they squeal and thrash about the more they are clearly hurting that they are too stupid to stop the inevidible...

    The more they abuse Putin, the more we know he is doing the right thing....
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 15, 2020 8:31 pm

    ..the creation of technical means within the framework of the Vityaz-D project will allow solving problems in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in all regions of the ocean without exception and form a basic platform for creating advanced technical means for developing the World Ocean," the press service quoted Koroleva as saying Pacific Fleet.
    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=531892&lang=RU

    https://rg.ru/2020/05/12/avtonomnyj-vitiaz-d-ispytali-na-dne-marianskoj-vpadiny.html
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    Post  Isos on Fri May 15, 2020 9:18 pm

    kvs wrote:
    propaganda project

    Get f*cked.   If it was some NATzO self-anointed guiding light of humanity doing this then you and your countrymen would be
    singing the praises of "advanced western tech".   But anything Russia does is "propaganda".   Take a hint, sunshine, Russians
    don't give a flying f*ck what sanctimonious western prats believe.    All you losers do is engage in hate and inferiority projection.
    Get a life.

    Controlling a robotic submersible 10 km below the ocean surface is not some trivial task.   Water is not exactly translucent to
    EM waves.    

    Hey dick either provide some arguments or go f*uck yourself.

    You are the only troll here. Sending a robot so deap to put a stupid russian flag is just a propaganda operation.

    And there is no signal that go so down. Russians can't change the physics stupid troll.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 15, 2020 10:01 pm

    Sending a robot so deep to put a stupid russian flag is just a propaganda operation.
    if it was, they could just drop a weighted pennant/flag to the bottom along with a tethered camera to take a picture. Now, others with means can see it there & take pictures. They had to test it in the deepest water, why not commemorate it?
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    Post  Isos on Fri May 15, 2020 10:07 pm

    They had to test it in the deepest water, why not commemorate it?

    For what purpose ?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri May 15, 2020 11:23 pm

    To ..allow solving problems in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in all regions of the ocean without exception..
    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=531892&lang=RU
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 16, 2020 4:09 am

    For what purpose ?

    Perhaps having a presence in the oceans of the world to the deepest depths sends a message to the west that there is no where they can hide?

    The capacity to operate at such depths suggests a capability to operate anywhere else... and being able to send things to the deepest water has implications in other areas... the conditions in such places are extreme, so having platforms that can operate in such places is significant.

    Unmanned vehicles to be landed on Venus could use this ability to deal with extreme pressure too as an example.
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 16, 2020 6:19 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:I should have thought the significance was apparent.  If Russia can build a fully autonomous UUV that can navigate to the bottom of the Marianas trench, drop a package, and return to Mothership then they are fully capable of building control systems capable of guiding a nuclear-powered unlimited-endurance Poseidon through the worlds deep oceans to deliver thermonuclear retribution to a major US coastal city.

    It also makes me think that the estimates of Poseidons maximum operating depth might be a little short of the mark.  It won't be designed to cruise around the bottom of teh abyssal trenches but 1000-2000m sounds more than likely.  Cruising deep and slow would make detection almost impossible, and make interception a nightmare.

    You are right. An unmanned submersible does not need to maintain a low pressure air cavity to sustain humans. It can be fully flooded with seawater and
    can thus dive 11,000 meters below the surface since it cannot be crushed.


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