The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

TheArmenian wrote:There are 2 alleys that lead to Poroshenko's replacement:

1- Replacement by the USA:
The White House in Washington runs things like corporations: Any manager that is not performing up to their expectations gets sacked. The question is: Is Poroshenko's performance as per their expectations?

2- Replacement by the people:
People will make a new revolution based on their living standards. The question is: How much more decline in their living standards can the average Ukrainian handle?

Анатолий Шарий wrote:He survived the tornado 18+

Graham Phillips wrote:Humanitarian aid in the Donbass Donetsk # 1 Children's House (Yuri - and Nastya, too)

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday Basurin reported columns of ukrops Grad and SP artillery moving from direction of Zaporozhia to Kurakhovo, just a little west from Marinka. Now it seems significant activity at Marinka with ukrops said to try to break thro again. Okay, so this sort of thing is happening day after day and hardly seems news, but the question is what happens if VSN at some point fail to hold the front at Marinka? is that a definitive break of Minsk that cannot be ignored any longer? Also, what if these attacks, for about three days now near Krasny Partizan cause VSN to fall back, which would cause severe problems with swift easy road access to Gorlovka, would that also be a clear break of Minsk. This all hangs on a very thin thread now and more and more people, at the front as well as commentators, are beginning to say "imminent".

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday Basurin reported columns of ukrops Grad and SP artillery moving from direction of Zaporozhia to Kurakhovo, just a little west from Marinka. Now it seems significant activity at Marinka with ukrops said to try to break thro again. Okay, so this sort of thing is happening day after day and hardly seems news, but the question is what happens if VSN at some point fail to hold the front at Marinka? is that a definitive break of Minsk that cannot be ignored any longer? Also, what if these attacks, for about three days now near Krasny Partizan cause VSN to fall back, which would cause severe problems with swift easy road access to Gorlovka, would that also be a clear break of Minsk. This all hangs on a very thin thread now and more and more people, at the front as well as commentators, are beginning to say "imminent".

JohninMK wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday Basurin reported columns of ukrops Grad and SP artillery moving from direction of Zaporozhia to Kurakhovo, just a little west from Marinka. Now it seems significant activity at Marinka with ukrops said to try to break thro again. Okay, so this sort of thing is happening day after day and hardly seems news, but the question is what happens if VSN at some point fail to hold the front at Marinka? is that a definitive break of Minsk that cannot be ignored any longer? Also, what if these attacks, for about three days now near Krasny Partizan cause VSN to fall back, which would cause severe problems with swift easy road access to Gorlovka, would that also be a clear break of Minsk. This all hangs on a very thin thread now and more and more people, at the front as well as commentators, are beginning to say "imminent".

What is the distance as the 'crow' flies between the Marinka area and Russia?

Rodinazombie wrote:Good post ^^^

I wonder how proud those idiots who were jumping on the maidan now are about what they have done to their country.  

I have no doubt that poroshenko and co will at some point fall, its a guarantee that the US cant keep its stooges in power indefinitely, especially when the people will realise just who they are really working for. Does anyone know of anything that porky and the rabbit have done to benifit their country since stealing power?

Russia will prevail, but its just at what cost to the people of novorossia that worries me and whether or not the people responsible for these crimes will be brought to justice.

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday Basurin reported columns of ukrops Grad and SP artillery moving from direction of Zaporozhia to Kurakhovo, just a little west from Marinka. Now it seems significant activity at Marinka with ukrops said to try to break thro again. Okay, so this sort of thing is happening day after day and hardly seems news, but the question is what happens if VSN at some point fail to hold the front at Marinka? is that a definitive break of Minsk that cannot be ignored any longer? Also, what if these attacks, for about three days now near Krasny Partizan cause VSN to fall back, which would cause severe problems with swift easy road access to Gorlovka, would that also be a clear break of Minsk. This all hangs on a very thin thread now and more and more people, at the front as well as commentators, are beginning to say "imminent".

BKP wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday Basurin reported columns of ukrops Grad and SP artillery moving from direction of Zaporozhia to Kurakhovo, just a little west from Marinka. Now it seems significant activity at Marinka with ukrops said to try to break thro again. Okay, so this sort of thing is happening day after day and hardly seems news, but the question is what happens if VSN at some point fail to hold the front at Marinka? is that a definitive break of Minsk that cannot be ignored any longer? Also, what if these attacks, for about three days now near Krasny Partizan cause VSN to fall back, which would cause severe problems with swift easy road access to Gorlovka, would that also be a clear break of Minsk. This all hangs on a very thin thread now and more and more people, at the front as well as commentators, are beginning to say "imminent".

Lol, the Western MSM? It should be absolutely predictable to everyone by now. Ukrops could slaughter every single person in Novo, and there wouldn't be a peep from them about it or "Minsk." But, if/when Ukrops finally commit to a major thrust, and that gets into serious trouble at the hands of the NAF, that's when the MSM will scream to high heaven about "Minsk," "Putin's violation of Minsk" along with all sorts of nonsense and disgusting, fake outrage. If the Ukrops are successful, however, the MSM will be focusing on something else entirely, like awesomeness of gay marriage, as the orcs put bullets through the bodies of the last woman and child in the East. The Western media is a propaganda system, nothing more. Facts and genuine morality are irrelevant to it.

BKP wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday Basurin reported columns of ukrops Grad and SP artillery moving from direction of Zaporozhia to Kurakhovo, just a little west from Marinka. Now it seems significant activity at Marinka with ukrops said to try to break thro again. Okay, so this sort of thing is happening day after day and hardly seems news, but the question is what happens if VSN at some point fail to hold the front at Marinka? is that a definitive break of Minsk that cannot be ignored any longer? Also, what if these attacks, for about three days now near Krasny Partizan cause VSN to fall back, which would cause severe problems with swift easy road access to Gorlovka, would that also be a clear break of Minsk. This all hangs on a very thin thread now and more and more people, at the front as well as commentators, are beginning to say "imminent".

Lol, the Western MSM? It should be absolutely predictable to everyone by now. Ukrops could slaughter every single person in Novo, and there wouldn't be a peep from them about it or "Minsk." But, if/when Ukrops finally commit to a major thrust, and that gets into serious trouble at the hands of the NAF, that's when the MSM will scream to high heaven about "Minsk," "Putin's violation of Minsk" along with all sorts of nonsense and disgusting, fake outrage. If the Ukrops are successful, however, the MSM will be focusing on something else entirely, like awesomeness of gay marriage, as the orcs put bullets through the bodies of the last woman and child in the East. The Western media is a propaganda system, nothing more. Facts and genuine morality are irrelevant to it.

PapaDragon wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Good post ^^^

I wonder how proud those idiots who were jumping on the maidan now are about what they have done to their country.  

I have no doubt that poroshenko and co will at some point fall, its a guarantee that the US cant keep its stooges in power indefinitely, especially when the people will realise just who they are really working for. Does anyone know of anything that porky and the rabbit have done to benifit their country since stealing power?

Russia will prevail, but its just at what cost to the people of novorossia that worries me and whether or not the people responsible for these crimes will be brought to justice.

What we see now is nothing, remember, this mess is barely into it's second year and it will continue get worse  as time goes by.  Just imagine  the hellhole that place will become in two or three years...

kvs wrote:
If one were to come up with objective metrics for totalitarianism, the NATO west fits the bill the best.  Its citizens drink the MSM propaganda
koolaid and love the taste.

Khepesh wrote:
No, not MSM but news per se, here, VK, blogs, anywhere, as these attacks are everyday and become "normal" and to report every round fired is now pointless. I am about how a succesful ukrops attack that takes ground will be presented. The continous artillery bombardment is ignored, partly by some because it is "inconvenient", but primarily because no ground changes hands, and that is the more important part of Minsk, so the fiction that Minsk holds can be continued. However, if ground were to be taken, and I mean more than a few hundred meters here or there, for instance a ukrops advance deep into Petrovsky, and they are certainly trying, then this would be a very significant and obvious break of Minsk to all who are aware of the reality of what happens, [western MSM are irellevant] and could not be hidden by the excuses used to ignore the artillery bombardment. What will be said about such an event? will it be presented as what it really would be, a casus beli for DNR to act, or will heads remain up ass in this macabre micawberism.

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Good post ^^^

I wonder how proud those idiots who were jumping on the maidan now are about what they have done to their country.  

I have no doubt that poroshenko and co will at some point fall, its a guarantee that the US cant keep its stooges in power indefinitely, especially when the people will realise just who they are really working for. Does anyone know of anything that porky and the rabbit have done to benifit their country since stealing power?

Russia will prevail, but its just at what cost to the people of novorossia that worries me and whether or not the people responsible for these crimes will be brought to justice.

What we see now is nothing, remember, this mess is barely into it's second year and it will continue get worse  as time goes by.  Just imagine  the hellhole that place will become in two or three years...

The orcs aren't the only ones who jumped ship. It is estimated that there are 50k extended stay guests from Novorossiya in our little village alone, a pretty good proportion of them military aged men. I understand that not every man by any stretch of the imagination has the courage and guts to stand in the line and slug it out with the orcs but there's a whole lot of things these men could be doing up north to help without getting anywhere near the actual fightings. However, their welcome, after a year for a lot of them, is wearing a mite thin. Just last week I saw at Five Kilometer Market a middle aged woman really tie in to a troika of them, actually screaming great obscenities at them and asking why the f//k they were down here while her two sons were up there fighting (their vehicle is readily identifiable from up there, 'AN' is Donetsk Oblast, 'VV' is Lugansk Oblast).  

Regular wrote:OK, so lets imagine they would join NAF. And then what? Sit in trenches while getting Your ass shelled under Minsk 2? The ones from Lugansk might not want to join oligarch Plotnisky too.

Khepesh wrote:.............................................
No, not MSM but news per se, here, VK, blogs, anywhere, as these attacks are everyday and become "normal" and to report every round fired is now pointless. I am about how a succesful ukrops attack that takes ground will be presented. The continous artillery bombardment is ignored, partly by some because it is "inconvenient", but primarily because no ground changes hands, and that is the more important part of Minsk, so the fiction that Minsk holds can be continued. However, if ground were to be taken, and I mean more than a few hundred meters here or there, for instance a ukrops advance deep into Petrovsky, and they are certainly trying, then this would be a very significant and obvious break of Minsk to all who are aware of the reality of what happens, [western MSM are irellevant] and could not be hidden by the excuses used to ignore the artillery bombardment. What will be said about such an event? will it be presented as what it really would be, a casus beli for DNR to act, or will heads remain up ass in this macabre micawberism.

auslander wrote:...........................................

The orcs aren't the only ones who jumped ship. It is estimated that there are 50k extended stay guests from Novorossiya in our little village alone, a pretty good proportion of them military aged men. I understand that not every man by any stretch of the imagination has the courage and guts to stand in the line and slug it out with the orcs but there's a whole lot of things these men could be doing up north to help without getting anywhere near the actual fightings. However, their welcome, after a year for a lot of them, is wearing a mite thin. Just last week I saw at Five Kilometer Market a middle aged woman really tie in to a troika of them, actually screaming great obscenities at them and asking why the f//k they were down here while her two sons were up there fighting (their vehicle is readily identifiable from up there, 'AN' is Donetsk Oblast, 'VV' is Lugansk Oblast).  

PapaDragon wrote:

More importantly, and I already asked this with no answer, is NAF is getting ready for what comes next?
Ukrops are piling up men and gear. What are NAF doing preparations-wise? They say they want to fight and blame their own patrons for no letting them.  
I do hope it is not just words and that they really are ready because it is going to be a slaughter-fest when it gets serious again.

Is new hardware being delivered? Are troops getting ready? Any new gear?