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    Post  eridan 04/03/13, 01:49 am

    If i knew that i wouldn't be asking here. Smile I don't know the number of two seaters. (except that figure at warfare.be of 50, which may or may not be even remotely correct)

    As for AB list for migs29, i also believe i may be missing some bases, which is why I am asking here. What airbases do house active combat squadrons of mig29? Kursk, Domna (2 squadrons?), Millerovo (2?. what else? (also precise squadron numbers would be helpful as I don't have those)
    Please note i am talking about combat squadrons, not the training and testing units like in Lipetsk or Kubinka or any of the demo teams (strizhi).
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    Post  Department Of Defense 10/05/13, 04:45 am

    The Russian Air Force has not ordered a single MIG 35 . In a way that makes sense as the SU 35 can perform all the tasks that the MIG 35 can do .

    In reality there is no such aircraft as the MIG 35 , just an upgrade of the MIG 29M2 . They came out with this urban legend just to participate and maybe win the Indian MMRCA tender . Now , that the MMRCA competition is over MIG can give a quite burial to this aircraft . MIG is simply trying to flog a dead horse by not giving up on the MIG 35 .

    They should instead focus on designing UAVs. The people who loose out the most on such useless defense projects are the paying public .

    Russian tax payers need to file a law suit against these corrupt MIG officials who are trying to fool the public . But I guess they enjoy immunity as Putin himself is the epitome of corruption .
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    Post  Firebird 10/05/13, 08:53 am

    Department Of Defense wrote:The Russian Air Force has not ordered a single MIG 35 . In a way that makes sense as the SU 35 can perform all the tasks that the MIG 35 can do .

    In reality there is no such aircraft as the MIG 35 , just an upgrade of the MIG 29M2 . They came out with this urban legend just to participate and maybe win the Indian MMRCA tender . Now , that the MMRCA competition is over MIG can give a quite burial to this aircraft . MIG is simply trying to flog a dead horse by not giving up on the MIG 35 .

    They should instead focus on designing UAVs. The people who loose out the most on such useless defense projects are the paying public .

    Russian tax payers need to file a law suit against these corrupt MIG officials who are trying to fool the public . But I guess they enjoy immunity as Putin himself is the epitome of corruption .

    I think it would require someone to look thro the technicals.
    Howver, my view is that its good to have various competiting divisions within UAC.
    Otherwise u have a monopoly and monopoly abuse.

    Mig has to keep up its trained staff. It has to consider how existing Migs are improved thro their service life. And it also has the potential to sell abroad. Also, prepare for futyre projects eg a light single seat stealth fighter etc.
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    Post  Department Of Defense 10/05/13, 09:33 am

    Firebird wrote:Howver, my view is that its good to have various competiting divisions within UAC.
    Otherwise u have a monopoly and monopoly abuse.

    Competition went out with the washing when they decided to club MIG & Sukhoi together under UAC .

    The only way they can ensure competition now is to encourage the Russian private sector to participate in aircraft development .

    Firebird wrote:Mig has to keep up its trained staff.

    Most Russians are being absorbed by Western aerospace firms like Boeing and Airbus either in Russia or in the EU.

    Firebird wrote:And it also has the potential to sell abroad.

    This is not a Russia or US or China thing BUT for a product to be successfully marketed overseas it needs to be ordered ( preferably in decent numbers ) by the domestic armed forces. Sukhoi stole the march over MIG a long time ago . How many aircrafts have MIG sold in the last decade ? Now compare that with how many Sukhoi has sold and you get the picture.


    Firebird wrote:Also, prepare for futyre projects eg a light single seat stealth fighter etc.

    PAK FA is a single seat stealth aircraft . MIG needs to concentrate on those areas where Sukhoi has not build any expertise yet . Try UCAVs . That makes sense.
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    Post  TR1 10/05/13, 01:40 pm

    Department Of Defense wrote:The Russian Air Force has not ordered a single MIG 35 . In a way that makes sense as the SU 35 can perform all the tasks that the MIG 35 can do .

    In reality there is no such aircraft as the MIG 35 , just an upgrade of the MIG 29M2 . They came out with this urban legend just to participate and maybe win the Indian MMRCA tender . Now , that the MMRCA competition is over MIG can give a quite burial to this aircraft . MIG is simply trying to flog a dead horse by not giving up on the MIG 35 .

    They should instead focus on designing UAVs. The people who loose out the most on such useless defense projects are the paying public .

    Russian tax payers need to file a law suit against these corrupt MIG officials who are trying to fool the public . But I guess they enjoy immunity as Putin himself is the epitome of corruption .

    A lot of information points that the MiG-35 will indeed be ordered.
    Everyone knows the MiG-35 is relabeled M2 with AESA and certain other "unifying" modifications.
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    Post  GarryB 11/05/13, 02:58 am

    Russian tax payers need to file a law suit against these corrupt MIG officials who are trying to fool the public . But I guess they enjoy immunity as Putin himself is the epitome of corruption .

    What would be the purpose of a law suit?

    In what way are they fooling the public?

    The Russian military has funds in its 2020 GVP for a Mig-35, they are deciding whether to buy the Mig-29M2 or Mig-35... it is a question of cost.

    The Mig-35 was a package offered to the Indians for the MRCA competition... aircraft were tested and future improvements were offered. Who was being fooled?

    Competition went out with the washing when they decided to club MIG & Sukhoi together under UAC

    The various old design bureaus retain their separate nature and are separate departments within UAC and still compete for programs and projects.

    Most Russians are being absorbed by Western aerospace firms like Boeing and Airbus either in Russia or in the EU.

    Some are, but then a lot of western aerospace firms have opened branches in Russia and lots of work formerly done in the west is now done in Russia.

    Sukhoi stole the march over MIG a long time ago . How many aircrafts have MIG sold in the last decade ? Now compare that with how many Sukhoi has sold and you get the picture.

    Sukhoi has been very successful, but Mig has also made sales including the Indian Navy and upgrades for Indian AF Migs etc.

    Mig will likely get the program to build a replacement for the Mig-31 for the Aerospace Defence forces too.

    AFAIK the Russian AF will order Mig-35 or Mig-29M2 in 2014-2015.

    PAK FA is a single seat stealth aircraft . MIG needs to concentrate on those areas where Sukhoi has not build any expertise yet . Try UCAVs . That makes sense.

    There are plenty of areas for Mig to work in, including the Mig-35, the Mig-31 replacement, etc etc.

    A lot of information points that the MiG-35 will indeed be ordered.
    Everyone knows the MiG-35 is relabeled M2 with AESA and certain other "unifying" modifications.

    They are pretty much either going to choose Mig-35 Cheap, or Mig-35 Expensive. At the moment they are spending on "the best", so my guess is Mig-35 Expensive.
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    Post  gaurav 11/05/13, 07:06 am

    Sukhoi has been very successful, but Mig has also made sales including the Indian Navy
    and upgrades for Indian AF Migs etc.



    Only India orders.

    60 +10 MIG29A IAF aircraft to be upgrade to MIG-29 M status (single seater) usd 1.2 billion

    29 MIG-29K orders for usd 1.5 b.

    16 MIG -29KUB+MIG29K 500 million.

    Recent Ladoga exercises took the performance hit of MIG-29 SMT in ground attack as well as air defence.
    MIG-29 SMT performance was upto the mark.

    It was pitted against a dozen SU-27.

    I think Russia Airforce will order a large batch of MIG-35. Twisted Evil

    All the news is not leaking out because overall Russia has expanded
    Air force exersise like HELL.(Victor multimedia posts also prove that)

    Russia practices AIR ATTACK ON SWEDEN

    A Russian air force with heavy bombers practiced during the Easter weekend against attackmål in Sweden. The Russians came surprisingly middle of the night when Sweden lacked preparedness. NATO responded, however, and sent up his fighter.

    The extraordinary event has so far been kept secret. It was on Good Friday night March 29 that the Russian aviation exercise against Swedish case occurred. Two months earlier, in People and Defense national conference in Salen on Jan. 15, beating Defense Karin Enstrom (M) in a speech that:

    "Safety, emergency preparedness and defense policy is aimed at all times, day and night, be prepared for the unpredictable can happen."

    According to the decision of Parliament is also Armed Forces' preparedness for incidents to be "immediately available". But the reality of the day Friday was another.

    After midnight, saw the Swedish luftbevakningens staff on their computer screens six fast airplanes that appeared in the east. They came from bases in the St. Petersburg area, passed over the Gulf and east of the archipelago. Normal flying Russian planes then south across the Baltic Sea to land in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. But now swung plan against Sweden.




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    Post  medo 11/05/13, 07:55 am

    Any info about Mig-29SMT experiences from those exercises. I hear, they also have exercises with Su-34.
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    Post  Department Of Defense 11/05/13, 10:34 am

    GarryB wrote:What would be the purpose of a law suit?

    To stop any funding of this project as this is simply an eye wash .

    GarryB wrote:In what way are they fooling the public?

    The Russian military has funds in its 2020 GVP for a Mig-35, they are deciding whether to buy the Mig-29M2 or Mig-35...


    When they have not yet decided between the Mig 29M2 & Mig 35 why is the Russian Defense Ministry funding both these projects . Mig 35 is Mig 29M2 . The export version was named Mig 35 .


    GarryB wrote:it is a question of cost.

    More a question of purpose . Can you list the tasks which only the Mig 35 can perform . Fact is the SU 35 and SU 30SM meets and even exceeds all that a MIG 35 can perform .

    GarryB wrote:The Mig-35 was a package offered to the Indians for the MRCA competition...

    To be more precise the Mig 35 was the result of the competition in India . No one heard about this name before this competition .

    GarryB wrote: aircraft were tested and future improvements were offered.

    You mean the MIG 35 was tested before the Indian competition . There is no such records.

    GarryB wrote:The various old design bureaus retain their separate nature and are separate departments within UAC and still compete for programs and projects.

    Then why this unwanted marriage ? To produce more inconvenience ?

    GarryB wrote:Some are, but then a lot of western aerospace firms have opened branches in Russia and lots of work formerly done in the west is now done in Russia.

    It doesn't matter whether Russians are working in Western firms in the West or in Russia . Western firms are more popular with Russians than Russian Government firms . Hundreds of experienced Russian Aerospace & Defense professionals have given up their jobs with Sukhoi & MIG to work for Boeing and Airbus in Russia alone. The opposite is not true.

    GarryB wrote:Mig has also made sales including the Indian Navy and upgrades for Indian AF Migs etc.

    Nothing to write home about when compared to the sales that Sukhoi generates.

    GarryB wrote:Mig will likely get the program to build a replacement for the Mig-31 for the Aerospace Defence forces too.

    Diddly Squat . MIG is not being considered for any future projects related to manned aircrafts.

    GarryB wrote:AFAIK the Russian AF will order Mig-35 or Mig-29M2 in 2014-2015.

    And you ask me "who are they fooling" . The answer is blowing in the wind . I hope you hear this , Mig 35 is Mig 29M2.

    GarryB wrote:They are pretty much either going to choose Mig-35 Cheap, or Mig-35 Expensive. At the moment they are spending on "the best", so my guess is Mig-35 Expensive.

    Smile Smile So you want to stand on ceremony here ? Spending on the "Mig 35 Cheap" will convert it into "Mig 35 Expensive". This is where you need to file a lawsuit . To save the Russian taxpayers some money .

    Don't bother about Putin . He has stolen enough for his next 10 lifetimes.
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    Post  Department Of Defense 11/05/13, 10:46 am

    TR1 wrote:A lot of information points that the MiG-35 will indeed be ordered.

    "A lot of information" coming from Putin's office ? First unveiled in 2007 , showcased in MAKS and in India from 2007 through 2011 and yet no orders ? How long does it take for the Russian military to decide ? Can't they see that we are in the middle of 2013 ?


    TR1 wrote:Everyone knows the MiG-35 is relabeled M2 with AESA and certain other "unifying" modifications.

    It's the other way round . M2 is Mig 35 . Mig 35 is basically the marketing name . Sukhoi does that with the SU 27 series and now Mig is doing the same . It's not a new aircraft . It's a Mig 29M2 + . End of story.
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    Post  TR1 11/05/13, 02:04 pm

    I don't know why you keep focusing on the names. Who cares? What does lawsuit have to do with it? Rebranding a bird does not make it more expensive.
    The Zhuk-AE does, and that is how MiG is marketing the MiG-35.

    The MiG-35 has been included in GVP-2020, what does that have to do with Putin? The guy probably can't tell Su-35 apart from MiG-35 anyways.
    The AF and the UAC has clearly been in negotiation regarding the plane.

    By the way, how long did it take for the Su-34 to be officially ordered? Much longer.
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    Post  gaurav 12/05/13, 01:18 am

    hear, they also have exercises with Su-34.
    BANG ON TARGET. thumbsup
    a small correction here.
    These days the exercises have become dead serious.
    (It is almost a war like scenario atleast where RuAF is concerned)
    They held close and "long range " air combat DUEL against SU-34. attack


    Those exercise (ofcourse classified) were done to check performance hit of MIG-29SMT with experienced MIG pilots.

    Well MIG is not dying it is here to stay..

    By the way RUAF has already paid 1.5 b usd for approx 40 MIG-29SMT.
    Those deliveries were complete long ago (in early 2012)
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    Post  GarryB 12/05/13, 02:16 am

    To stop any funding of this project as this is simply an eye wash .

    Why would the Russian people want to stop any funding or purchases of the Mig-35?

    It is not some bloated over priced waste of money aircraft like the F-35. It actually looks like a very useful aircraft.

    The Russian AF has withdrawn its single engine fighters and fighter bombers, which included Su-17, Su-7, Mig-21/-23/-27, many of which were designed for ground attack or the swing role of fighter and ground attack, and it has not introduced an aircraft to fill that enormous gap. Multirole fighters to replace Mig-29s and Su-27s makes a lot of sense, with Su-35s and Mig-35s being the most capable non stealth aircraft, while the Su-30 and Su-27SM and Mig-29SMT offer much cheaper "numbers" airframes based on aircraft already in service to keep numbers up while stealth aircraft are developed and unmanned aircraft can be built and mature and fill their niche. Without the Su-35, Mig-35, Su-30, Su-27SM and Mig-29SMT there would be an enormous aircraft gap.

    When they have not yet decided between the Mig 29M2 & Mig 35 why is the Russian Defense Ministry funding both these projects . Mig 35 is Mig 29M2 . The export version was named Mig 35 .

    The Mig-29M2 is the budget Mig-35... without the DAS and AESA and 360 degree electrooptics, and the 5 weapon pylon wing etc etc. The Mig-35 is a serious step up from the mig-29M2 though they both use the same air frame, the Mig-35 is the deluxe model with all the extras... extras that cost money, but also make the aircraft more useful... and give it future growth potential if you want to buy the budget model now.

    Either aircraft would be very useful.

    More a question of purpose . Can you list the tasks which only the Mig 35 can perform . Fact is the SU 35 and SU 30SM meets and even exceeds all that a MIG 35 can perform .

    It is a question of numbers and production capacity. You could easily say that the Tu-160 as a bomber can do everything the Su-34 can do, so why bother with Su-34s when the Tu-160 can do everything it can and more, over longer ranges with much heavier payloads.
    The fact is that bigger aircraft cost more to buy and to operate and the production facilities for the Flankers will be working on exports.

    In fact Sukhoi will have its hands full with the PAK FA, the Superjet, Su-30 exports, domestic Su-30 production, Su-35 domestic and exports production. They are also working on UAVs and UCAVs, and they are upgrading the Su-25 and creating a new replacement CAS aircraft too. In comparison Mig is making a few Mig-29Ms for export, a few Mig-29Ks for domestic use and export, and is upgrading a few Mig-29s. It is also perhaps looking at upgraded Mig-31 production, and perhaps a Mig-31 replacement too, but its production factories should be available to make a batch of 48-96 Mig-35s for the Russian AF.

    BTW what can a Mig-35 do that a Flanker can't? Have the first operational AESA radar in a fighter aircraft?

    To be more precise the Mig 35 was the result of the competition in India . No one heard about this name before this competition .

    The next Mig was always going to be called Mig-35 as the Mig-33 is the Mig-29K.

    You mean the MIG 35 was tested before the Indian competition . There is no such records.

    Not before... during. Mig sent a Mig-35 for tests with an AESA radar. The Indians were miffed that Mig did not send a Mig-35 to AeroIndia in 2012 so they must have had one then... to "not" send it.

    Then why this unwanted marriage ? To produce more inconvenience ?

    Each design bureau was a complete entity... it would be stupid to break those up and hoped they could be combined into something that would work. The concept is to keep the bureaus intact, so they work as functional units, but as parts of a bigger machine they can still compete for contracts, and the winner can use some of the expertise of the losers to do a better job... it retains competition, but also protects the companies from "defeat". One company can keep the rest going and fund the others. One company is not going to win all the competitions and get all the export work so they all contribute to the greater company.

    it is like a farmer... put in some fruit trees, plant some pine trees, don't just have some sheep for wool, sell the meat and the wool, etc etc so there is money coming in from different productive areas, so if there is a problem in one area... wool prices are low, then you sell more fruit, or butcher a few sheep and sell the meat to make up the difference.

    Hundreds of experienced Russian Aerospace & Defense professionals have given up their jobs with Sukhoi & MIG to work for Boeing and Airbus in Russia alone. The opposite is not true.

    As things improve in Russia then the reverse trend is actually more likely than you might think.

    Lots of money is nice, but western culture is different from Russian culture and over time you forget the bad stuff and remember the good stuff... pretty soon you miss speaking in Russian, or you get sick of the dumb anti russian TV in the west...

    Things in west are not that great now either, and with the Russian government investing in various areas the potential for Russians to go home and get a good job are increasing.

    Nothing to write home about when compared to the sales that Sukhoi generates.

    Of course Mig is under performing... when you stop working with a race horse and just leave it in a field with nothing to do of course it will lose condition. The question you have to ask yourself is... do you leave it there to rot and keep demanding that overworked race horse you have running round the track to do everything, or do you spread the load and start giving work to Mig.

    The choice is not ours, but the results will either be better use of resources and a new Mig in service, or less choice the next time you need a new plane because Mig has become a tiny department that mainly services and gives minor upgrades to aircraft in service.

    Diddly Squat . MIG is not being considered for any future projects related to manned aircrafts.

    Do you have that in writing?

    Currently they need a replacement for the Mig-31, and the PAK FA would be far too expensive for such a role and would lack the weapon capacity to do the job the Mig-31 does now let alone improve upon it. The Su-35 can't fly continuously at mach 2.4 with a full weapon load to a radius of 1,400km.

    In my opinion the best aircraft for the job would be the Tu-22M3 with a few serious modifications like being adapted to carry AAMs over its belly and in its internal rotary weapon launcher, and of course an enormous nose mounted AESA radar and IRST.

    I hope you hear this , Mig 35 is Mig 29M2.

    No it isn't, and yes it is. A Mig-29M2 is the basis for the Mig-35... the same as an Su-27SM is not a Su-35.


    Don't bother about Putin . He has stolen enough for his next 10 lifetimes.

    Putin has been the best thing to happen to Russia in a very long time. Claims and innuendo that he has stolen money remain just that... unsubstantiated claims and innuendo.

    How long does it take for the Russian military to decide ? Can't they see that we are in the middle of 2013 ?

    Who said they haven't decided? The Mig-35 contains a lot of very advanced equipment... I doubt it is all ready now anyway... the delay in the order might be by mutual arrangement because Mig was probably not ready to serial produce it before 2014-2015 anyway.

    It is the same situation with Mil, where the Russian Army buys the Mi-28N, but has to wait till about 2015 for the Mi-28M or NM.

    It's the other way round . M2 is Mig 35 . Mig 35 is basically the marketing name . Sukhoi does that with the SU 27 series and now Mig is doing the same . It's not a new aircraft . It's a Mig 29M2 + . End of story.

    The Mig-29M2 is a new family with a new airframe structure... the Mig-29K2 is based on it, as is the basic Mig-29M2, and the advanced Mig-35S. Just the same as in the 1980s the Mig-29M was a new build aircraft that the original Mig-29K was based upon too. The original Mig-29 had a separate structure, with an outer skin. The fuel tanks were separate tanks placed inside the structure under the skin.

    The Mig-29M used wielded outer skin panels so separate internal fuel tanks were no longer necessary... the separate sections were sealed off and could be used for fuel or components without extra layers needed, so it was much lighter structurally. The new Mig-29M2s are further developments of the Mig-29M, with the new airframe shape that was standard between the single and twin seater.

    The original Mig-29 had a single seat configuration. The two seat model lost its radar and some fuel to become a two seat, while the new aircraft has room for two seats in both single seat and twin seat versions... the second seat in the single seat model has extra electronics and fuel where the second seat would go, but structurally both single and double seat aircraft airframes are the same... including the long canopy.

    The new Mig-35 has the same new airframe and can be a single or twin seat.
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    Post  Austin 31/05/13, 03:06 am

    RAC "MiG" in June, will sign a contact with the Ministry of Defence for the supply of MiG-35
    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/05/31/256219.html


    Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) 'MiG' in June, plans to sign a contact for the supply of Russian Air Force MiG-35, told reporters CEO RAC "MiG" Sergei Korotkov.

    "In June, expect to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense to build the MiG-35 for the Russian Air Force. 24 combat vehicles are planning to deliver in the near future, the total number - 37 MiG-35 for the Russian army," - said Korotkov.

    MiG-35 - Russian multi-role fighter of "4 + +" based on the MiG-29. The composition includes a guided missile weapon "air" and "air-surface" and A radar beetle. This system allows the fighter to attack multiple targets at the same time, and also provides protection from the electronic effects of the enemy. Combat fighter figures bring it closer to the models of the fifth generation.
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    Post  George1 31/05/13, 04:49 am

    Οnly 37? Is there any logic for an air-force like Russia's to produce a fighter in such a small number?
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    Post  Austin 31/05/13, 04:52 am

    They will produce Mig-35 and Mig-29M2 so they will also have 29M2.

    37 can make 2 squadrons which is decent number if not a good one.
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    Post  psg 31/05/13, 10:33 am

    can anybody id the targeting pod at 00.12
    http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=511852

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    Post  Cyberspec 31/05/13, 05:19 pm

    Οnly 37? Is there any logic for an air-force like Russia's to produce a fighter in such a small number?

    It doesn't have to be the final number. Could be just the first initial contract. But as Austin says, if they're getting MiG-29M's as well, then I don't think they'll be ordering a large number of MiG-35's. It's probably meant as an interim solution until the arrival of the LMFS post 2020.

    No one mentioned that they've chosen the Zhuk-A as it's radar

    The new fighters will include the Zhuk-A radar system
    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130531/181443413/MiG-Signs-Attack-Drone-RD-Contract.html

    psg wrote:can anybody id the targeting pod at 00.12
    http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=511852

    Thanks

    Good question...at first glance I thought it might be a Damocles pod but it doesn't look like it to me.
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    Post  George1 01/06/13, 01:29 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Οnly 37? Is there any logic for an air-force like Russia's to produce a fighter in such a small number?

    It doesn't have to be the final number. Could be just the first initial contract. But as Austin says, if they're getting MiG-29M's as well, then I don't think they'll be ordering a large number of MiG-35's. It's probably meant as an interim solution until the arrival of the LMFS post 2020.


    well as an interim solution i would say that a number of 72-96 is the best
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    Post  Department Of Defense 01/06/13, 01:48 am

    George1 wrote:well as an interim solution i would say that a number of 72-96 is the best

    For what ???

    Give me the name of that ONE mission which only the MIG 35 can undertake and the SU 35 or SU 30 SM can't ?

    The Russian MoD is purchasing the MIG 35 to give a boost to exports . Generally countries that purchase military hardware tend to purchase hardware that is already in use with the selling Nation . Or else it gives the impression that the hardware is not good enough and therefore the seller too did not purchase it .

    The US Air Force placed additional orders for the F 15E not because there was a need for it . The Super Hornet can undertake all the missions that a F 15E can . BUT , Boeing was desperate to sell the F 15E to foreign buyers in Asia and that prompted the US AF to purchase the F 15E just to prove that it's a credible aircraft.
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    Post  GarryB 01/06/13, 04:17 am

    If i knew that i wouldn't be asking here. Smile I don't know the number of two seaters. (except that figure at warfare.be of 50, which may or may not be even remotely correct)

    As for AB list for migs29, i also believe i may be missing some bases, which is why I am asking here. What airbases do house active combat squadrons of mig29? Kursk, Domna (2 squadrons?), Millerovo (2?. what else? (also precise squadron numbers would be helpful as I don't have those)
    Please note i am talking about combat squadrons, not the training and testing units like in Lipetsk or Kubinka or any of the demo teams (strizhi).

    The two seater was not an operational aircraft with full radar and radar guided BVR capability... it was an operational trainer, a at an airbase with say 48 Mig-29s you will probably have 40 single seat Migs and 8 two seaters.

    The new Mig-29M2 have fully operational radars so the mix might be quite different, with two aircrew possibly preferred for missions like interception and light to medium strike where the extra set of eyes might be valuable.

    Οnly 37? Is there any logic for an air-force like Russia's to produce a fighter in such a small number?

    It is a first order... the first order of PAK FA was 60, and the first order of Su-35 was 48.

    can anybody id the targeting pod at 00.12

    The two pods one under each engine? One is part of the standard fixed equipment of the Mig-35 (the lower 360 degree ground focussed system) and the other is a dedicated pod to support and assist in engaging ground targets.

    well as an interim solution i would say that a number of 72-96 is the best

    I agree... 96 Mig-35, and perhaps 144 odd Mig-29M2 to replace all the Mig-29s in service... though perhaps 48 Mig-35s, 96 Mig-29M2s and 48 Mig-29SMTs is more realistic.

    Give me the name of that ONE mission which only the MIG 35 can undertake and the SU 35 or SU 30 SM can't ?

    By that logic the USAF should have hundreds of C-5s and not bother with any C-130s.

    The simple fact is that the Su-35 is a lot of plane and the company making it is already making Superjet, Su-30, Su-35, Pak Fa, Su-25 upgrades and Su-25 replacement, Su-34 plus export models of Su-30, Su-35 and Pak Fa... it seems to me they have a full plate.

    A Mig-35 is a much better replacement for a Mig-29 than a big expensive Su-35 is.

    By making Mig-35s you are also supporting Klimov and NIIP and other supporting companies that are otherwise just making Mig-29Ks and upgrading Mig-29s.

    They have production capacity that is not being used... a Mig-29 replacement is useful, plus investing in them means the Mig-31 upgrade/replacement should be better too.

    Or else it gives the impression that the hardware is not good enough and therefore the seller too did not purchase it .

    No. Not really. The real reason is that countries don't want to be left holding the bag... a good example is Australia... they are the only operators of the F-111. A very good aircraft but becoming increasingly more expensive to operate and maintain... and the US is not footing the bill for developing upgrades because they only have ravens left if that.

    By buying the Mig-35 the Russian government is saying... you wont be left with having to support the aircraft maker on your own.

    At the end of the day the Mig-35 and indeed the F-15E can and do perform some missions their alternatives can't... Mig-35 will be the first Russian fighter to enter service with an AESA radar instead of the PESA the Mig-31 entered service with in the 1970s.

    That alone will be a worthy achievement.
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    Post  GarryB 01/06/13, 04:22 am

    Now that I look at them again I think they are new and not related to the onboard optics system:

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    Post  TheArmenian 01/06/13, 04:41 am

    Give me the name of that ONE mission which only the MIG 35 can undertake and the SU 35 or SU 30 SM can't ?

    It is not a matter of capability or supporting a manufacturer only. I'll give an example:

    Sooner or later, the Russians will have to replace their MiG-29 squadron based in Erebuni airport in Armenia (Just 30 km from the Turkish border). No need to base heavy, expensive, super-duper Su-35 or PAK-FA so close to the border. MiG-35 will do just fine there.
    Keep the more expensive longer legged aircraft (Su-30, Su-35, Su-34, PAK-FA) at he rear and deploy the more expendable, simpler, less complicated and less expensive to acquire /operate aircraft (MiG-35 and Su-25) at the forward airbases.
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    Post  TR1 01/06/13, 01:05 pm

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i_ZxPC1Lus0/UamwAE43JsI/AAAAAAAAUlo/e8_fNgslKRk/s800/IMG_1290.JPG

    The new pod.
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    Post  Cyberspec 01/06/13, 02:31 pm

    TR1 wrote:https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i_ZxPC1Lus0/UamwAE43JsI/AAAAAAAAUlo/e8_fNgslKRk/s800/IMG_1290.JPG

    The new pod.

    Nice find....Flateric and Paralay have solved the mystery...it's a ground target detection pod said to be equivalent to "Lantirn"

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