Spiegel wrote:Vorstoß aus Moskau: Russland will Freihandel von EU und Ukraine ausbremsen Advance from Moscow: Russia will slow down free trade between the EU and Ukraine Saturday, 06/13/2015 - 20:45 clock
In the dispute over the planned Free Trade Area between the EU and Ukraine Russia will not give up. After SPIEGEL information Moscow has offered Europeans a trilateral trade agreement.
The EU defends itself against a new advance of Russia, the planned free trade area between the European Union and the Ukraine overturn. According to information obtained by SPIEGEL, Moscow sent a draft trilateral trade treaty at the European Commission in Brussels on 3. (This message comes from the mirror. The new mirror can be found here .)
It is an attempt by the Kremlin to safeguard Russian interests when occur the economic provisions of the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine in force from 1 January 2016. The draft treaty provides for strict export and import controls, as well as import quotas to Russia for 52 product categories. They range from hydraulic turbines on ships to beef and ice cream. The EU Commission rejects the Russian proposal. The agreement put the "Ukraine and the EU on one side commitments" on, according to Brussels. EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström wrote last Tuesday to the Chairman of the Trade Committee in the European Parliament, Bernd Lange: "The proposed text of Russia is not acceptable."
The dispute over the Association Agreement between the EU and Ukraine was a trigger for the Ukraine crisis . The former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych had suspended the negotiations in 2013 to pressure from Moscow. As a result, there were in the country to protests that led to the fall of Yanukovych.
The EU Heads of Government and the President of Petro Poroshenko finally signed the agreement in June 2014 in September of the same year approved the European and the Ukrainian parliament to. Russia had threatened in return with "serious consequences" for Ukraine and announced measures to protect its economy. Continue reading.
As I have explained before I try to mix a few different sources so it's not one sided. I only quote opinion pieces when I see different sources pointing at them even if I don't agree with them. Also I try to avoid pure propaganda sources like RFE and fringe blogs unless they provide exclusive content that obviously can't be found anywhere else, like certain videos, but those are the exceptions. So I don't understand the criticism because I think my position is quite clear. Anyway, thanks for your support.
Thank you so much for your information, now we know Russia is a threat to the entire world, props up horrible dictators around the world, is a country run by the mafia, and must be contained in a cage.
We had no clue, but now that you are here and bless us with the light that is the Western media, we now know the truth.
Apparently no one's caring that this is a blatant violation of the minsk ceasefire from the ukrainians. So much for western commitment to peace, guess we all must keep blaming putin now for right wing galician agression..
Vann7 wrote:Interesting video.. specially for people who thinks Putin is a "traitor".
Well, I agree with nearly all Starikov says, but he misses an important element and that is the military situation now. If DNR/LNR controlled all or most of their territory and ukrops were not bombarding cities and killing civilians on a daily basis, then the policy Starikov lays out would be correct and people could accept the "cunning plan". However, Starikov seemed to show no real understanding of the plight of the citizens of Donbass, no understanding that it is not acceptable to allow your enemy to bombard your cities and kill your citizens with impunity, and that is what is happening. His fine words on TV, no matter if they are correct or not, will mean nothing to those with their brains and intestines splattered all over the pavement, or to their families. Starikov, like so many others, in focussing on a potential wider war and the "cunning plan", ignores the real war taking place under his nose. Ukrops must be pushed back out of range now, there is no valid excuse not to.
In Odessa today people are going to try and reconstruct the memorial to the massacre victims that was destroyed by fascists about a month ago. pravy sektor and other fascists in Odessa have said they will stop this. Could be a bad day in Odessa....
Khepesh wrote:In Odessa today people are going to try and reconstruct the memorial to the massacre victims that was destroyed by fascists about a month ago. pravy sektor and other fascists in Odessa have said they will stop this. Could be a bad day in Odessa....
Isn't Odessa where the US want's Kiev to construcy an LNG terminal, so the US can dump expensive gas onto Ukrainians?
If so, Kiev will quash and hint of uprising or protest.
http://nahnews.org/254209-bloger-iz-lvova-lichno-ubedilsya-chto-doneck-obstrelivayut-vsu wrote:Donetsk on 14 June.
Ukrainian blogger Arthur Senko from Vinnitsa, questioning the veracity of the information that give pro-government media went to Donbass to yourself to find out who and why shelling the city of Donbass.
True Vinnitsa blogger put it mildly, shocked. As it turned out, the information that militias allegedly shelled themselves to blame APU, proved to be false. Local residents have shown how beat artillery around the city. Comparing the data of the compass with the map terrain, Arthur Senko found that Donetsk is under fire from the positions of the Ukrainian army.
Eyewitness blogger videotaped. In addition to the destroyed houses, Senko took the camera dialogues with local residents, who fired at the security forces of "terrorism" and "separatism".
"I can not express their own thoughts on the video about the attacks. I'm just asking questions and show on a map where flew. The conclusion is yours, "- writes Senko in a social network.
Vann7 wrote:Interesting video.. specially for people who thinks Putin is a "traitor".
Well, I agree with nearly all Starikov says, but he misses an important element and that is the military situation now. If DNR/LNR controlled all or most of their territory and ukrops were not bombarding cities and killing civilians on a daily basis, then the policy Starikov lays out would be correct and people could accept the "cunning plan". However, Starikov seemed to show no real understanding of the plight of the citizens of Donbass, no understanding that it is not acceptable to allow your enemy to bombard your cities and kill your citizens with impunity, and that is what is happening. His fine words on TV, no matter if they are correct or not, will mean nothing to those with their brains and intestines splattered all over the pavement, or to their families. Starikov, like so many others, in focussing on a potential wider war and the "cunning plan", ignores the real war taking place under his nose. Ukrops must be pushed back out of range now, there is no valid excuse not to.
All true but if DNR/LNR controlled entire territory of those regions what would stop ukrops from shelling some other towns near new separation line? And what would stop Kiev from simply relinquishing control of those two regions and turning rest of Ukraine into NATO playground AND continue shelling civilians?
Rebels should push back ukrops and encircle Mariupol but they should not compromise process of dismantling Ukraine. That Frankenstein has proven to be too hazardous to be allowed to continue to exist.
Also, from Russia's point of view those are not their citizens and their cities. Cold, yes but also true.
West is simly being allowed to flush their ''ideals'' , credibility and ideology down toilet known as Ukraine. Let them...
Vann7 wrote:Interesting video.. specially for people who thinks Putin is a "traitor".
However, Starikov seemed to show no real understanding of the plight of the citizens of Donbass
But he really understands them that's why he can't say the truth and instead uses a complex reasoning to explain something very simple, DNR and LPR are Kiev's opposition and that's why they need to stay in Ukraine.
Hey guys, just want to post this video of Sharii requesting some donations from people who watch his channel. Looks like something serious has come up, maybe related to the incident when he exposed the personal information of Ukrainian higher ups, that were targeting people who "liked" pages or videos that were pro-separatist. They would publish these peoples personal information on a website, then these people would be attacked, harassed, and arrested. So Sharii, as a retaliation, posted the personal information, including bank accounts, of all the people involved with this practice. Maybe this is why he is asking for donations, maybe it is for something else that has come up. Either way, I believe it is very important to support this man. He has the potential to wake up large segments of the Ukrainian population that has been Zombiefied by Ukraine's propaganda stations. Please Donate any amount you can.
Vann7 wrote:Interesting video.. specially for people who thinks Putin is a "traitor".
However, Starikov seemed to show no real understanding of the plight of the citizens of Donbass
But he really understands them that's why he can't say the truth and instead uses a complex reasoning to explain something very simple, DNR and LPR are Kiev's opposition and that's why they need to stay in Ukraine.
It's not complex reasoning, it's rather clear, he goes into the history of how London divided other countries and fueled war on ethnic grounds. DNR/LPR have to stay in Ukraine as a buffer against war with Russia, not simply because they are opposition to Kiev.
Erk wrote:Isn't Odessa where the US want's Kiev to construcy an LNG terminal, so the US can dump expensive gas onto Ukrainians?
Wishful thinking, LNG carriers aren't allowed through Bosphorus based on safety reasons, the risk of collision is too great since the strait is congested with merchant traffic.
In case of a LNG carrier catching fire evacuating everyone within two nautical miles radius of the tanker is impossible since the strait is just 1.85 nmi at it's widest point and 0.38 mmi at it's minimum, the risk is too great.
Vann7 wrote:Interesting video.. specially for people who thinks Putin is a "traitor".
Well, I agree with nearly all Starikov says, but he misses an important element and that is the military situation now. If DNR/LNR controlled all or most of their territory and ukrops were not bombarding cities and killing civilians on a daily basis, then the policy Starikov lays out would be correct and people could accept the "cunning plan". However, Starikov seemed to show no real understanding of the plight of the citizens of Donbass, no understanding that it is not acceptable to allow your enemy to bombard your cities and kill your citizens with impunity, and that is what is happening. His fine words on TV, no matter if they are correct or not, will mean nothing to those with their brains and intestines splattered all over the pavement, or to their families. Starikov, like so many others, in focussing on a potential wider war and the "cunning plan", ignores the real war taking place under his nose. Ukrops must be pushed back out of range now, there is no valid excuse not to.
All true but if DNR/LNR controlled entire territory of those regions what would stop ukrops from shelling some other towns near new separation line? And what would stop Kiev from simply relinquishing control of those two regions and turning rest of Ukraine into NATO playground AND continue shelling civilians?
Rebels should push back ukrops and encircle Mariupol but they should not compromise process of dismantling Ukraine. That Frankenstein has proven to be too hazardous to be allowed to continue to exist.
Also, from Russia's point of view those are not their citizens and their cities. Cold, yes but also true.
West is simly being allowed to flush their ''ideals'' , credibility and ideology down toilet known as Ukraine. Let them...
It is true that if ukrops were pushed back to the oblast borders of Donetsk and Lugansk that some cities will still be in range, but to have your enemy not only within range of your major city but actually in the suburbs is far more dangerous. A sudden strong and unexpected attack by ukrops into Donetsk that enables them to take at least Petrovsky and possibly advance deep into Kirovsky, and this is not unfeasable, will cause a bloodbath that will draw in VSN resources that will seriously weaken the entire front and cause a panic and mass exodus of civilians. This is a danger that must be eliminated.
Hm...... Consequences of ukrops going further are?..... consequences of the loss of Gorlovka or Petrovsky district or a small city further south are?..... But should the continued bombardments and deaths be the price to pay, and how to weigh in the balance between the "cunning plan" and these deaths? And as the bombardment continues so the support of the people will dimish. A point will come were action has to be taken as inaction will have become worse than action. IMO, that point, if not here now, is very close.
An example of why action must happen soon is this video from "Yuri Kotyonok". He has a reputaion as being honest and reliable, so this video has caused a stir and argument. Some have tried to claim it as ukrops propaganda, but that could only be so if Kotyonok was a long term ukrops "sleeper" agent, and nobody suggests this. I would say that such videos are bad for morale, but it is too late, it is now on the networks. I'm not going to discuss whether this is some BS or not, and I certainly do not believe some of it, but only point out that continued inactivity agaisnt ukrops will cause more of this and that more and more people will believe what he says. He is a volunteer from Russia and says that they are "cattle" and abandoned with no proper training and proper equipment. He says that this is a fake war for the business interests of Ukranian and Russian oligarchs. In other places I read more and more from people who have been supporting Donbass from the very beginning saying that they smell a rat about everything, that what has been happening in Donbass is some crap. Not my opinion, but it grows, and it grows because of inactivity and people do not understand why they are bombarded and are not protected. It is not sufficient to point at this bombardment and say to west "Look, Kiev breaks the agreement and we sit and do not retaliate because we are good guys", because the west, it's politicians, it's media and it's people do not care.
Vann7 wrote:Interesting video.. specially for people who thinks Putin is a "traitor".
However, Starikov seemed to show no real understanding of the plight of the citizens of Donbass
But he really understands them that's why he can't say the truth and instead uses a complex reasoning to explain something very simple, DNR and LPR are Kiev's opposition and that's why they need to stay in Ukraine.
It's not complex reasoning, it's rather clear, he goes into the history of how London divided other countries and fueled war on ethnic grounds. DNR/LPR have to stay in Ukraine as a buffer against war with Russia, not simply because they are opposition to Kiev.
Watch the video again.
I understand what he says perfectly and have said I agree with him. But he does not understand, or shows that he understands, that the war is here now and that people die. His argument in context of what happens now in Donbass can be construed as saying that the people of Donbass should accept bombardment and death for the "greater good", the "cunning plan", and I find that immoral.
Khepesh wrote: I understand what he says perfectly and have said I agree with him. But he does not understand, or shows that he understands, that the war is here now and that people die. His argument in context of what happens now in Donbass can be construed as saying that the people of Donbass should accept bombardment and death for the "greater good", the "cunning plan", and I find that immoral.
Yep, that makes perfect sense, politicians work on percentages, they don't really care about exact casualties etc. What's happening in Donbass is a sin.
So how is anyone going to stop the shelling of Donbass by Kiev and the neo-Nazis?
Khepesh wrote:I would say that such videos are bad for morale, but it is too late, it is now on the networks.
The problem with this videos is not the content but how it is presented, without the balaclava and tackling solutions it would be more useful for everyone because gloom and doom only produces backlash from everyone and this applies to both sides, just remember Semchenko raising outrage on social networks even when there was no fighting.
RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150614/1069919785.html wrote:LC: pensioner died, one woman wounded during the shelling Pervomaisk 13:13 06/14/2015
Lugansk, June 14 - RIA Novosti. The pensioner died in the shelling of Ukrainian security forces controlled by militias of the city Pervomaisk, another woman was injured, reported the Ministry of Emergency Situations breakaway LC.
On Saturday the militia reported that Pervomaisk almost all sides blocked Ukrainian security forces and fire. According to the representative of the people's militia LC, on Sunday night, the city again suffered a massive fire, have killed and wounded.
"The last three days is exposed to heavy shelling Pervomaisk. Fires on the residential sector. During this time, partly destroyed five houses. Damaged power lines. Damaged pipeline. The bombardment of mortar shells being 122 mm, they are forbidden Minsk Agreement. One woman died in 1933 of birth, the second pensioner also suffered shrapnel wounds to the head. Second condition is satisfactory "- told reporters the Minister of Emergency Situations Sergei Ivanushkin LC
RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20150614/1069911925.html wrote:DNR: the intensity of attacks security forces has doubled to 185 per day 11:52 06/14/2015
DONETSK, June 14 - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian law enforcers almost doubled the intensity of shelling the breakaway Donetsk People's Republic, one day they fired at its cities and regions of nearly 200 times, told RIA Novosti the Ministry of Defence of the DNI.
On Saturday, the militia said that security forces fired on a day settlements DNI 99 times.
"During the day, from the Ukrainian security officials recorded 185 violations of the ceasefire," - said the agency.
According to defense officials, under fire from Ukrainian security officials appeared Donetsk, Dokuchaevsk, Gorlovka, Shirokino, Spartak, Partizan and Red Zhabunki.
On the territory of the republic was released 30 tank shells and 142 shells caliber 82 and 120 millimeters. Information about the civilian casualties to be confirmed.
Khepesh wrote: I understand what he says perfectly and have said I agree with him. But he does not understand, or shows that he understands, that the war is here now and that people die. His argument in context of what happens now in Donbass can be construed as saying that the people of Donbass should accept bombardment and death for the "greater good", the "cunning plan", and I find that immoral.
Yep, that makes perfect sense, politicians work on percentages, they don't really care about exact casualties etc. What's happening in Donbass is a sin.
So how is anyone going to stop the shelling of Donbass by Kiev and the neo-Nazis?
It will get worse, then suddenly the conditions will occur when it can be stopped. For myself I would attack now and damn what the west says or does, but I am also a realist and know I can say things on a forum that I would like to happen, but will not. This deadly "game" will continue until Kiev makes an error or internal pressures in DNR/LNR force the issue. Today Pushilin has spoken of "War within hours". This is hype, but it sets the tone. Approximately seven weeks and we will see, unless it occurs sooner and I start to think it possible.
Khepesh wrote:I would say that such videos are bad for morale, but it is too late, it is now on the networks.
The problem with this videos is not the content but how it is presented, without the balaclava and tackling solutions it would be more useful for everyone because gloom and doom only produces backlash from everyone and this applies to both sides, just remember Semchenko raising outrage on social networks even when there was no fighting.
And then he pulled off his balaclava and we have not stopped laughing. But yes, it is a curious video. It is possible that it may be a sort of reaction to the assasination of Mozgovoi combined with, among some, an intense hatred of all oligarchs.
Khepesh wrote:And then he pulled off his balaclava and we have not stopped laughing. But yes, it is a curious video. It is possible that it may be a sort of reaction to the assasination of Mozgovoi combined with, among some, an intense hatred of all oligarchs.
At this point is quite clear that the blockade is just a movement aimed to gain control over the of goods going in and out of Donbass since smuggling can't be culled.
And since you mentioned Призрак, a video from two days ago from them:
So, Dennis Pushilin says war within hours, which I have said is hype, yet now a senior journalist at anna-news, Sergei Veselovsky, has made a very strong statement that Ukraine spits on Minsk-2 and that Russia should stop pretending a drop of rain has fallen on cheek when in fact was shot in the face, and that inactivity and silence is seen by the West as simply weakness and that war must now happen. I absolutely do not suggest that Pushilin and Veselovsky say what they do "with permission", but it gets interesting.
To clarify about Pushilin saying there could be war in a matter of hours. He means that we are now in the situation where war could break out within a few hours on a rolling basis, not that there will be war today. It is rather like the coldwar clock being always at a few minutes to midnight, war, for decades.
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