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    Post  gregoire on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:00 pm

    Can anyone confirm heavy fighting in shirokino and other places?
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    Post  par far on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:01 pm

    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.


    Attacking their supply should be high priority for the Novorossiyan army.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:14 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.

    Had it been Stalin in the Kremlin, Poroshenko would have been dead by now. Putin needs to maintain gas sale to the EU as revenue. Therefore Russia would not support Novorossiya if NAF breaks Minsk 2. If NAF goes on the offensive, NAF will have to use captured arms to fight.

    Gas discount for Ukraine is pure PR stunt. Kiev buys gas from EU via reverse flow, the same gas that Russia sells to EU at market price and EU then sell to Kiev at small discount (meaning at profit loss). So Russia just keeps selling gas to EU as usual, EU loses money and Kiev does not save a single cent.

    So much for "Russia helping junta..." lol1
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:15 pm

    Western irritation grows as Kiev further violates Ukraine ceasefire — Russian UN envoy
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    "I’ve noticed that some irritation exists in certain circles, even in Western countries that have to support Kiev no matter what it does," Vitaly Churkin said

    http://tass.ru/en/world/799151

    UNITED NATIONS, June 5. /TASS/. Russia's ambassador to the United Nations on Friday said there was "growing irritation" with Kiev among Western leaders for its repeated failure to fully implement ceasefire agreements signed in Minsk, Belarus, in February.

    Vitaly Churkin said ahead of a UN Security Council meeting on the crisis in Ukraine: "The Security Council has convened to call for full implementation of the agreements reached in Minsk. In my statement, I will explain in details how Kiev violates political and military aspects of the Minsk agreements".

    Churkin stressed that he was "under no illusion" that the Security Council would manage to issue a joint statement after the discussions.

    "But I’ve noticed that some irritation exists in certain circles, even in Western countries that have to support Kiev no matter what it does. There is irritation with non-compliance with the Minsk agreements," he added.

    Agreement to end conflict in east Ukraine was reached following marathon talks in the Belarusian capital between leaders of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France on February 12.

    Vladimir Putin, Petro Poroshenko, Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande announced after more than 16 hours of discussions that a ceasefire between Ukraine’s government forces and people’s militia would begin on February 15.

    This was to be followed by withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of military engagement by at least 15 kilometres (9 miles), prisoner release and agreement for international observers to monitor the truce.

    Based on September’s stillborn Minsk peace agreement, the deal also laid out a road map for a lasting settlement in Ukraine, including local elections and constitutional reform to give the war-torn eastern regions more autonomy.

    The ceasefire has been repeatedly violated.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:20 pm

    Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?
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    Post  Khepesh on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:22 pm

    Rumoured that Zakharchenko and Pushilin are now in Moscow, dunno
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:25 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Rumoured that Zakharchenko and Pushilin are now in Moscow, dunno

    Big drubbing coming up...
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:26 pm

    par far wrote:
    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.


    Attacking their supply should be high priority for the Novorossiyan army.

    You have to do ground offensive to attack supply line. Typically supply lines are well guarded and behind the frontline. That's why Nusra has to take over towns and roads to attack supply lines in Syria. If NAF is not allowed to do ground offensive because of Minsk 2, then NAF would not be able to attack supply lines.

    But you are right. Everyone in Novorossiya would eventually all get killed by Maidan's artillery if NAF is not allowed to do ground offensive because of Minsk 2. Stand there and die or fight for freedom. The choice belongs to the people of Novorossiya. If Russia does not approve, then do it on their own. FSA managed to kill tens of thousands of Syrian soldiers before the US started supplying TOW anti tank missiles to FSA.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:38 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?

    Damn that's some beatdown. Is Putin "paying" these trolls?
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Western irritation grows as Kiev further violates Ukraine ceasefire — Russian UN envoy
    World


    "I’ve noticed that some irritation exists in certain circles, even in Western countries that have to support Kiev no matter what it does," Vitaly Churkin said

    http://tass.ru/en/world/799151




    And this is good..
    It seems to me.. Kiev have no intentions to honor any Minsk agreement and only totally crushing their economy and starting to create mass protest in all cities will do the trick..
    A nation wide protest against Kiev , will be a game over for  the junta in kiev..

    SO is time for Russia to start organizing the people who will participate in rebellions and protest
    in all cities.. from Odessa to Kharkiv and at the right time do the call for major protest to start.
    Even if that means to finance them. The supply Light weapons to Partisan groups.. to take over
    Ultra nationalist who run in the cities torturing beating and terrorizing civilians.

    As long as Ukrainians see hope for their nation , the support to kiev will continue.. only
    when people start feeling hungry and cannot buy not even food is when the real revolution will start.. and Russia will be in a much better position to invade.. without firing a shot to Restore Order.  Im sure most Ukrainians army will backup Russia invasion.. if that time comes that no longer they see a future with the government they have in Power and that see Americans as the major problem.

    Ideally it will be nicer if the European Union or at least most of Europe.. including Germany
    and France ,declare illegitimate the war of Poroshenko and demand him to stop the war or step down..
    and that if he refuse .. that they will personally provide weapons to Ukrainians who oppose the government to get their freedom and liberties.. and help Russia to restore Order in Ukraine.

    Europe will also need to declare the Right Sector and the volunteer groups of Oligarchs fighting in eastern ukraine ,a criminal Organizations.. and demand the arrest of their leaders and put a reward for their arrest. Europe also can threaten to Freeze bank accounts of Poroshenko if he continue with the war and does not follow the Minks-2 agreements.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:48 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?

    Damn that's some beatdown. Is Putin "paying" these trolls?

    Haha. The West wishes, it's so damn hard to get dirt on the truth, you got to almost feel sorry for them. /sarcasm
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:53 pm

    Here's a thorn in Poroshenko's side.

    Right Sector threatens Kyiv gay pride march

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/right-sector-threatens-kyiv-gay-pride-parade-390397.html

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:58 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?

    Damn that's some beatdown. Is Putin "paying" these trolls?

    Haha. The West wishes, it's so damn hard to get dirt on the truth, you got to almost feel sorry for them. /sarcasm

    What is hard is to know you can't fool pros with your DIY BS. The worst is that they don't want to back down...
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:01 am

    Ukraine troops shelling DPR village after OSCE observers leave, says local official
    June 05, 19:55
    According to the republic’s defense ministry, Ukrainian troops have violated truce 46 times over the past 24 hours

    http://tass.ru/en/world/799166

    MOSCOW, June 5. /TASS/. Ukrainian troops have resumed the shelling of Telmanovo district of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic shortly after observers from the OSCE mission left, the head of the regional administration, Sergey Ivanov, reports. According to Ivanov, they used heavy weaponry to shell the settlement of Grigoryevskoye. "Nobody has been injured as of yet," the Donetsk News Agency quoted him as saying. He said residents of a neighborhood remained without electricity supply. In earlier reports, Ivanov said a four-year-old boy was killed and four civilians were wounded in the shelling overnight to June 5. According to the republic’s defense ministry, Ukrainian troops have violated truce 46 times over the past 24 hours. They used multiple rocket launcher systems three times, and heavy artillery was used 21 times. A ministry official said 16 DPR settlements had been damaged in the shelling. wrote:

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 14h

    Donetsk DNR forces moving towards Kiev-forces to take a look at positions near Marinka




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    Camp of the 55th Ukro-Artillery Brigade after the pounded by NAF:

    Is this the past few days, or no??

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    Post  mack8 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:01 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Here's a thorn in Poroshenko's side.

    Right Sector threatens Kyiv gay pride march

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/right-sector-threatens-kyiv-gay-pride-parade-390397.html


    Makes one wonder which side a certain group of peoples on this forum will take now. Presumably the side of the Right Sektor fascist scumbags? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:05 am

    mack8 wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Here's a thorn in Poroshenko's side.

    Right Sector threatens Kyiv gay pride march

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/right-sector-threatens-kyiv-gay-pride-parade-390397.html


    Makes one wonder which side a certain group of peoples on this forum will take now. Presumably the side of the Right Sektor fascist scumbags? Rolling Eyes

    Neither. The irony is killer though.

    Of course I hate Right Sector just as much as the next guy. More than some gay pride libtards, as Right Sector seem to have a habit of murdering people.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:05 am

    Very Happy Maybe they are for whatever brings Poroshenko down, or causes conflict amongst the "enemy".

    Right Sector may be shooting itself in the foot. I am curious to see if they literally clash with Kiev government "police", etc??
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:05 am

    Ukraine wanned to be european..    Wink

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    Maybe flooding kiev with Gay parades will convince them that they will be better
    joining Russia..  Smile

    For the record i do not oppose freedom of expression.. But i know the western hypocrisy media
    and its politicians will look to the sides when Gays beaten by their lovely Cianazis. Is what i was
    saying the west use the Gays rights as a political tool.. to demonize Russia..



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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:07 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    mack8 wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Here's a thorn in Poroshenko's side.

    Right Sector threatens Kyiv gay pride march

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/right-sector-threatens-kyiv-gay-pride-parade-390397.html


    Makes one wonder which side a certain group of peoples on this forum will take now. Presumably the side of the Right Sektor fascist scumbags? Rolling Eyes

    Neither. The irony is killer though.

    Of course I hate Right Sector just as much as the next guy. More than some gay pride libtards, as Right Sector seem to have a habit of murdering people.

    Yes. I will never, never forget them driving down a highway in Lugansk area in the beginning of all this, shooting civilians driving down the highway.

    I think it was them.
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    Post  Firebird on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:12 am

    Hopefully the joyboys will use their botox syringes. And stab Shite Sektor in the eyes, so they die from AIDS.

    Either way, the place now has one of the highest proportions of freaks in the World, behind America.
    Now I can see why my own family left Hohol-Land.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:16 am


    From youtube channel.. : RonPaulLibertyReport


    Soros Seeks to Expand War in Ukraine...Why?

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:59 am

    Latest from OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine based on information received as of 19:30 (Kyiv time), 4 June 2015
    KYIV 5 June 2015



    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/162546

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:35 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:.............................


    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 14h

    Donetsk DNR forces moving towards Kiev-forces to take a look at positions near Marinka




    Marcel Sardo ‏@marcelsardo Jun 4
    Camp of the 55th Ukro-Artillery Brigade after the pounded by NAF:

    Is this the past few days, or no??

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:20 am

    http://russia-insider.com/en/bellingcat-report-doesnt-prove-anything-expert-criticizes-allegations-russian-mh17-manipulation

    Good stuff. I've been flamed by a member/contributor/fanboy (I don't honestly know what he is, lets just say a pleb) of the Bellingcat fabrication on another site, seems personal insults are his forte, so these sort of articles give me a very base satisfaction.

    I have to say, since Russia Insider noticed Bellingcat they have been shredding them alive. Again, very satisfying.
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    Post  Erk on Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:23 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:http://russia-insider.com/en/bellingcat-report-doesnt-prove-anything-expert-criticizes-allegations-russian-mh17-manipulation

    Good stuff. I've been flamed by a member/contributor/fanboy (I don't honestly know what he is, lets just say a pleb) of the Bellingcat fabrication on another site, seems personal insults are his forte, so these sort of articles give me a very base satisfaction.

    I have to say, since Russia Insider noticed Bellingcat they have been shredding them alive. Again, very satisfying.

    The Australian 60min program did a piece on MH17 2 weeks ago and used Bellingcat as the source!

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