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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:40 am

    Water and drought becoming an issue for the Ukraine is almost poetic justice considering they cut water supplies to the Crimea out of spite...

    I am sure Russia will sort out workable solutions... not so confident of the Ukraine doing the same to solve its problems though...

    It has to admit there is a problem to start with right?

    Anyway... all good news for Russia for the future... Smile

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:56 am

    Russia finally stated they are working on a desalination plant for Crimea. They are also working on water intake near the Belbek river

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/138870/

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:42 pm

    In 2020, Russia became a net exporter of food for the first time since tsarist times
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/138946/

    The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) tracked the ratio of food import-export across the Russian border - in 2020, for the first time since tsarist times, Russia earned more money on food than it spent: $ 28.3 billion in imports versus $ 29.4 billion in exports, which is 20% more than in the past of the year.

    A significant part of food imports is “elite” consumption: coffee, chocolate; in 2019, alcoholic beverages alone were imported for $ 2.7 billion, which is almost 10% of imports. We are still dependent on imported seed and breeding material, which, oddly enough, include sugar beets, sunflowers, potatoes and rapeseed. The provision with own seed material in our country is 67.2%.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:47 pm

    Russia will always need to import fruits like bananas and other inputs it cannot grow itself. But given the size in dollar terms
    of the imports, this is not any sort of issue for Russia. There is nothing that supports the notion of zero imports. Free
    trade is not solely the colonialist racket that imperialists make it into. There is actually value from international trade.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:18 am

    There are plenty of countries Russia can trade with on good terms for both countries that can produce the fruit they want, and Russia can sell all sorts of things they have in return from the enormous spectrum of products they produce for themselves.

    During the cold war it was amusing the free trade situation.... countries across the globe produced bananas as an example, but there were factions and groups so as a British colonial country we in New Zealand really only could get bananas from British colonial friendly countries, while lots of countries dependent on the US or other countries like France... we never saw any imports of their products.

    These days we get banana imports from all sorts of places, but we certainly can't pick and choose... they grow bananas in a lot more places than I see at our supermarket... though we are a small market so they might not bother with us.

    The point is that for many countries it makes more sense to pay in the national product like apples or bananas or oranges or a wide mix of fruit and vegetables they can grow well and efficiently and get material and equipment and technology in return from Russia that might improve their crops or allow them to earn more and develop as a country too.
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    Post  Scorpius Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:11 pm

    Kiko wrote:
    In 2020, Russia became a net exporter of food for the first time since tsarist times
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/138946/

    The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) tracked the ratio of food import-export across the Russian border - in 2020, for the first time since tsarist times, Russia earned more money on food than it spent: $ 28.3 billion in imports versus $ 29.4 billion in exports, which is 20% more than in the past of the year.

    A significant part of food imports is “elite” consumption: coffee, chocolate; in 2019, alcoholic beverages alone were imported for $ 2.7 billion, which is almost 10% of imports. We are still dependent on imported seed and breeding material, which, oddly enough, include sugar beets, sunflowers, potatoes and rapeseed. The provision with own seed material in our country is 67.2%.
    Russia asks the US for some more food
    The United States has received an official request from Russia to provide additional food aid this year, US Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman said in Washington. According to RIA Novosti, this request is currently being studied by the American side.

    Glickman's statement emphasizes that the US government's response to the request for additional food aid will depend on how successfully the current program of supplies of American grain and products to Russia will be implemented.

    "We will consult with a number of other leading food producers, such as the EU, and will try to avoid steps that could destabilize international agricultural markets or reduce incentives for Russian farmers," said Dan Glickman.
    https://lenta.ru/news/1999/09/29/food_aid/

    Real news from 1999. You can compare them with today.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:55 am

    Such progress... in only 20 years.... and all they had to do was kick out all the American leeches telling them to privatise everything and do this and do that, and fight the west tooth and nail for 20 years and they managed to get there... they have managed what most other countries have failed.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 am

    GarryB wrote:Such progress... in only 20 years.... and all they had to do was kick out all the American leeches telling them to privatise everything and do this and do that, and fight the west tooth and nail for 20 years and they managed to get there... they have managed what most other countries have failed.

    The problems with the Bulava SLBM disappeared when a hive of NATzO observers near the manufacturing plant was booted out. It
    was installed under Yeltsin as some BS good friends cocksucking agreement. This was not a coincidence. All NATzO agents from
    their diplomats, "NGO" operatives, down to Navalny are extremely toxic elements serving to destroy Russia.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Such progress... in only 20 years.... and all they had to do was kick out all the American leeches telling them to privatise everything and do this and do that, and fight the west tooth and nail for 20 years and they managed to get there... they have managed what most other countries have failed.

    Also keep in mind that back in Tsarist era feeding your own population prior to exporting food was optional (they still did it far better than commies)

    Today they are exporting food after they made sure everyone back home has more than plenty

    Way bigger progress

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:19 pm

    In 2020, Russia exported more than 500 thousand tons of meat
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    From January 1 to December 31, 2020 * Russia supplied more than 500 thousand tons of meat products to foreign markets, which is 55% higher than the same period in 2019. In monetary terms, shipments increased by 54% to $ 860 million. According to preliminary data from the Federal Customs Service, meat products last year became the leader in terms of export growth among the six main groups of food products.

    Poultry meat shipments grew by 41% to 285 thousand tons in physical terms and by 32% to $ 419 million in value. About 85% of this volume fell on parts and by-products of chickens ($ 355 million), 12% - whole chicken carcasses ($ 51 million). Turkey meat was exported for $ 13 million, which is 2.1 times more than in 2019.

    Pork export increased 1.9 times to 187 thousand tons in physical terms and 2 times to $ 324 million in value. Fresh and chilled carcasses and half carcasses ($ 70 million) accounted for approximately 22% of shipments, and frozen offal ($ 60 million) - 18%.

    Beef sales abroad increased 2.9 times to 16 thousand tons in volume and 3.3 times to 85 million dollars in cash. Three quarters of the exported volume came from boneless frozen cattle meat.

    China tops the list of the largest buyers of Russian meat with a share of 37%. In February 2019, supplies of poultry meat to this country began, at the end of last year they increased by 1.8 times to $ 265 million.In 2020, the Chinese market opened for Russian cattle meat producers, as a result, the shipped volume amounted to 8.7 thousand . tons for 48 million dollars - more than half of all Russian exports of beef.

    Vietnam is in second place with a share of 16%, largely due to gaining access to Russian pork at the end of 2019. As a result, the export of meat to the republic doubled to 73 thousand tons, and in monetary terms - 4.4 times to 140 million dollars. About 94% of this volume fell on pork.

    In third place is Ukraine with a share of 13%. During the year, shipments to the neighboring state were at the level of 79 thousand tons (+ 6.8%) worth $ 108 million (+ 4.3%). 62% of the monetary volume was pork, 36% - poultry meat.

    Hong Kong moved up to the fourth position, which doubled imports to $ 65 million by the end of the year, mainly due to increased purchases of pork. Also, at the end of 2019, Russian poultry producers gained access to the Hong Kong market; last year, the first 136 tons worth $ 338 thousand were delivered.

    The top 5 buyers of Russian meat are closed by Kazakhstan, which increased imports by 35% to 52 million dollars. Statistics for the EAEU countries are presented for January-October, therefore, in the final data, Kazakhstan's position among importers may change.

    The growth in the export of Russian livestock products was the result of a combination of subjective and objective factors, Albert Davleev, President of Agrifood Strategies, told Agroexport. “Among the first are the efforts of government agencies to access new markets, the development and expansion of already open ones, as well as the hard work of manufacturers to improve the quality of exported products. The objective factors were a favorable world situation, driven by the demand for meat in China, and the low exchange rate of the ruble. The transition from quantity to quality is growing: deliveries are becoming systematic, and customers are beginning to recognize and prefer individual Russian brands, ”the expert emphasized.

    GAP "Resource", the leader among Russian exporters of poultry meat, exported over 107.5 thousand tons of meat for 11 months of 2020. Specifically, last year the group became the first domestic poultry producer to export to the Philippines. “We also stepped up cooperation with African countries, started deliveries to Haiti. In addition, we continue to cooperate with trading partners in China and the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, UAE). The company plans to further expand the geography of its presence, master new sales channels and introduce additional assortment positions to foreign markets, ”said Dmitry Antonov, senior vice president of GAP“ Resource ”.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ddd1a7cd8a5147cefe9d66c/v-2020-godu-rossiia-eksportirovala-bolee-500-tys-tonn-miasa-60081253da2b006973f62883

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:09 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Such progress... in only 20 years.... and all they had to do was kick out all the American leeches telling them to privatise everything and do this and do that, and fight the west tooth and nail for 20 years and they managed to get there... they have managed what most other countries have failed.

    Also keep in mind that back in Tsarist era feeding your own population prior to exporting food was optional (they still did it far better than commies)

    Today they are exporting food after they made sure everyone back home has more than plenty

    Way bigger progress


    How did they do it better than commies when there was a famine every few years in the Russian Empire? Won't even mention the cholera outbreaks. Oops I did.

    Under the commies the only famines were first of all the one during the civil war/intervention/blockade when food was also confiscated to feed the army and city populations (which would have starved instead), and of course the one in '32/'33 where you had grains and livestock collectivized to sell it to the West and purchase machinery, industry in return.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:...How did they do it better than commies when there was a famine every few years in the Russian Empire? Won't even mention the cholera outbreaks. Oops I did.

    Under the commies the only famines were first of all the one during the civil war/intervention/blockade when food was also confiscated to feed the army and city populations (which would have starved instead), and of course the one in '32/'33 where you had grains and livestock collectivized to sell it to the West and purchase machinery, industry in return.


    You do realize that benchmark for 1980s is no the same as 1880s?

    Although this is not surprising coming from a commie, reds are always at least century behind

    Here is a refresher:

    Joys of Supermarket Shopping in the Soviet Union

    http://www.strangehistory.net/2017/08/11/joys-supermarket-shopping-soviet-union/

    This was all commies accomplished in their 7 decades of rule

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And as for cholera it was hardly uncommon everywhere in 19th century but you know what was very uncommon in late 20th century? Tuberculosis

    Something that was staple of life in USSR and that modern day Russia just managed to clean up

    Commies are like rats, you may get rid of them but their excrement will be fouling up the place for a very long time after they are gone

    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times



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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:41 am

    The most important thing is that this progress is good for all the Russian people and not just the bank accounts of the 1%.

    Commies are like rats, you may get rid of them but their excrement will be fouling up the place for a very long time after they are gone

    Such hate for people who have different political beliefs to you.


    Not healthy.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:10 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:...How did they do it better than commies when there was a famine every few years in the Russian Empire? Won't even mention the cholera outbreaks. Oops I did.

    Under the commies the only famines were first of all the one during the civil war/intervention/blockade when food was also confiscated to feed the army and city populations (which would have starved instead), and of course the one in '32/'33 where you had grains and livestock collectivized to sell it to the West and purchase machinery, industry in return.


    You do realize that benchmark for 1980s is no the same as 1880s?

    Although this is not surprising coming from a commie, reds are always at least century behind

    Here is a refresher:

    Joys of Supermarket Shopping in the Soviet Union

    http://www.strangehistory.net/2017/08/11/joys-supermarket-shopping-soviet-union/

    This was all commies accomplished in their 7 decades of rule

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And as for cholera it was hardly uncommon everywhere in 19th century but you know what was very uncommon in late 20th century? Tuberculosis

    Something that was staple of life in USSR and that modern day Russia just managed to clean up

    Commies are like rats, you may get rid of them but their excrement will be fouling up the place for a very long time after they are gone

    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times



    What happens if I show you a photo from the Great Depression from the United States,
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    and say that this is all that the capitalists have achieved in 300 years?

    You're doing exactly that. Just for reference - all the stories with queues and empty shops are the stories of the times of Gorbachev's Perestroika, which finished off the economy of the USSR, weakened by sanctions, the crisis and many catastrophic events at once.

    Normal stores in Soviet times looked like this:
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    Just stop spreading this BS of Western propaganda. In the USSR, there were no problems with food consumption from the fifties to the mid-eighties.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:08 pm


    Dust bowl was in the 30s, do I need to remind you what was happening in USSR in the 30s?

    It wasn't pretty

    And don't try to sell me that 70s commie utopia bullshit, my folks were traveling to USSR back then and were rolling like 1 percenters over there on chump change




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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:09 am

    The 1970s were not bad in the USSR.   Some visitors with hard cash could pretend they were kings, but the Soviet people were
    not serfs on plantations.  

    Western propagandists are still yapping about the 1930s and Stalin as if the 1950s, 60s, 70s and yes even the 80s never happened.
    Hell they pretend that the last 30 years were like the 1930s in Russia.  This is just as inane as fixing the US in its Gilded Era time frame
    and never talking about what happened later.   Or freezing time in the 1930s during the Great Depression.    Pure propaganda pap for
    idiots.

    History can't be cherry picked and countries are not steady state entities.    The USSR of the 1930s was not the USSR of the 1960s.
    The nostalgia so derided by western haters that was in Russia during the 1990s and to some extent today is grounded in actually
    good living conditions and not a bizarre fetish for gulags.    While the USSR was normalizing after WWII and achieved reasonable
    quality of life, we had the precious west under its self-anointed beacon of humanity, the USA, installing death squad juntas around
    the world and killing millions in the process, from Latin America to South-East Asia (Indonesia) to basically every other part of
    the planet Uncle Swine-shit was spreading his "wealth".

    If it wasn't for US stooge Yeltsin, the greatest depression of the 1990s would never have happened in Russia after 1991.   It
    was the legacy of the USSR that enabled Russians to weather the storm and to not end up a failed state like Ukraine.   So
    the drivel about empty store shelves and bread lines is tiresome BS from people drinking piss-fermented koolaid from their
    western leaders and not people with a clue about life in the USSR after WWII.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:16 am

    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times

    I just can't believe someone in this forum said that. Operation Condor was a nazi-inspired murderous operation implemented by Augusto Pinochet's Direction of National Intelligence (DINA) following teachings from the US' School of the Americas based in Panama. It's modus operandi was murder, torture, disappearance of political opponents, intimidation of all sorts, etc.
    You don't know what you're talking about!

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:17 am

    Kiko wrote:
    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times

    I just can't believe someone in this forum said that. Operation Condor was a nazi-inspired murderous operation implemented by Augusto Pinochet's Direction of National Intelligence (DINA) following teachings from the US' School of the Americas based in Panama. It's modus operandi was murder, torture, disappearance of political opponents, intimidation of all sorts, etc.
    You don't know what you're talking about!

    When some college commie tries to sell me piss and call it beer by saying that communism was amazing mentioning Operation Condor is definitely appropriate

    And I am not seeing any reds in Latin America so it definitely worked, I just wish we had that here, we would have lost much less innocent lives and cultural heritage to say nothing of avoiding wars

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    Post  PhSt Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:48 am

    I dont wish to derail this thread further off topic, but, if it weren’t for the Soviets, would Russia manage to industrialize? In an alternate timeline where there was no revolution and the Soviets didn’t get into power, how would Russia defend itself against a Nazi invasion?

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:04 am

    You don't know what you're talking about!

    Zealots think their enemies lives don't count as human so talk of elimination is acceptable.

    Seems the only mistake the Nazis really made was saying jews were the problem... all they had to say was the Russians were the problem and it might have been very different...

    But people who get upset at the use of the word nigger are happy to ignore US government officials calling for the extermination of Russians because they are a threat you know...

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:04 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:...How did they do it better than commies when there was a famine every few years in the Russian Empire? Won't even mention the cholera outbreaks. Oops I did.

    Under the commies the only famines were first of all the one during the civil war/intervention/blockade when food was also confiscated to feed the army and city populations (which would have starved instead), and of course the one in '32/'33 where you had grains and livestock collectivized to sell it to the West and purchase machinery, industry in return.


    You do realize that benchmark for 1980s is no the same as 1880s?

    Although this is not surprising coming from a commie, reds are always at least century behind

    Here is a refresher:

    Joys of Supermarket Shopping in the Soviet Union

    http://www.strangehistory.net/2017/08/11/joys-supermarket-shopping-soviet-union/

    This was all commies accomplished in their 7 decades of rule

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And as for cholera it was hardly uncommon everywhere in 19th century but you know what was very uncommon in late 20th century? Tuberculosis

    Something that was staple of life in USSR and that modern day Russia just managed to clean up

    Commies are like rats, you may get rid of them but their excrement will be fouling up the place for a very long time after they are gone

    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times




    I think there were something like 3 separate famines in the Russian Empire in the 20th century before WW1. Nice work.

    Cholera was hardly uncommon yet the commies eliminated it. Along with polio, the plague, smallpox, tetanus and a whole bunch of other nasty stuff.

    Tuberculosis is a bitch. Before corona hit, it was the leading cause of death in the world by infection. So yeah it's hardly uncommon, then or now.

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And this is just rubbish. By the 50s the calorie intake started to get up to the same level as the US's (albeit counterbalanced by the colder climate and a more physical life), and as for the age of obesity - well this statistic should tell you what you need to know:

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:47 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:...How did they do it better than commies when there was a famine every few years in the Russian Empire? Won't even mention the cholera outbreaks. Oops I did.

    Under the commies the only famines were first of all the one during the civil war/intervention/blockade when food was also confiscated to feed the army and city populations (which would have starved instead), and of course the one in '32/'33 where you had grains and livestock collectivized to sell it to the West and purchase machinery, industry in return.


    You do realize that benchmark for 1980s is no the same as 1880s?

    Although this is not surprising coming from a commie, reds are always at least century behind

    Here is a refresher:

    Joys of Supermarket Shopping in the Soviet Union

    http://www.strangehistory.net/2017/08/11/joys-supermarket-shopping-soviet-union/

    This was all commies accomplished in their 7 decades of rule

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And as for cholera it was hardly uncommon everywhere in 19th century but you know what was very uncommon in late 20th century? Tuberculosis

    Something that was staple of life in USSR and that modern day Russia just managed to clean up

    Commies are like rats, you may get rid of them but their excrement will be fouling up the place for a very long time after they are gone

    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times




    I think there were something like 3 separate famines in the Russian Empire in the 20th century before WW1. Nice work.

    Cholera was hardly uncommon yet the commies eliminated it. Along with polio, the plague, smallpox, tetanus and a whole bunch of other nasty stuff.

    Tuberculosis is a bitch. Before corona hit, it was the leading cause of death in the world by infection. So yeah it's hardly uncommon, then or now.

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And this is just rubbish. By the 50s the calorie intake started to get up to the same level as the US's (albeit counterbalanced by the colder climate and a more physical life), and as for the age of obesity - well this statistic should tell you what you need to know:

    Russian Agriculture News - Page 14 Captura2


    This here is what calorie intake in USSR looked like:

    Russian Agriculture News - Page 14 Soviet-supermarket5-600x424

    Your little make believe tables don't stand a chance before cold hard reality

    Same cold hard reality that shattered that turd construct called USSR into billion little chunks of fecal matter

    Commies were promising peace, food and freedom. They immediately failed on all three and kept failing throughout their existence

    Always keep one absolute truth in mind: you had more than one meal today because commies are no longer in charge

    If you want to keep peddling bullshit by claiming otherwise feel free to do so but you will be called out on that bullshit at all times





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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:45 pm

    PhSt wrote:I dont wish to derail this thread further off topic, but, if it weren’t for the Soviets, would Russia manage to industrialize? In an alternate timeline where there was no revolution and the Soviets didn’t get into power, how would Russia defend itself against a Nazi invasion?

    Industrialization was already happening to a smaller extent. You could say that the Soviets really pushed it hard though. Would it have happened? Yes. How well and to what extent? Dunno.

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    Post  limb Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:...How did they do it better than commies when there was a famine every few years in the Russian Empire? Won't even mention the cholera outbreaks. Oops I did.

    Under the commies the only famines were first of all the one during the civil war/intervention/blockade when food was also confiscated to feed the army and city populations (which would have starved instead), and of course the one in '32/'33 where you had grains and livestock collectivized to sell it to the West and purchase machinery, industry in return.


    You do realize that benchmark for 1980s is no the same as 1880s?

    Although this is not surprising coming from a commie, reds are always at least century behind

    Here is a refresher:

    Joys of Supermarket Shopping in the Soviet Union

    http://www.strangehistory.net/2017/08/11/joys-supermarket-shopping-soviet-union/

    This was all commies accomplished in their 7 decades of rule

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And as for cholera it was hardly uncommon everywhere in 19th century but you know what was very uncommon in late 20th century? Tuberculosis

    Something that was staple of life in USSR and that modern day Russia just managed to clean up

    Commies are like rats, you may get rid of them but their excrement will be fouling up the place for a very long time after they are gone

    Regular and thorough Operation Condor is a must at all times




    I think there were something like 3 separate famines in the Russian Empire in the 20th century before WW1. Nice work.

    Cholera was hardly uncommon yet the commies eliminated it. Along with polio, the plague, smallpox, tetanus and a whole bunch of other nasty stuff.

    Tuberculosis is a bitch. Before corona hit, it was the leading cause of death in the world by infection. So yeah it's hardly uncommon, then or now.

    While rest of the civilized world was entering the age of obesity commies were still catching up to subsistence level nutrition and living standards of 1780s

    And this is just rubbish. By the 50s the calorie intake started to get up to the same level as the US's (albeit counterbalanced by the colder climate and a more physical life), and as for the age of obesity - well this statistic should tell you what you need to know:

    Russian Agriculture News - Page 14 Captura2


    This here is what calorie intake in USSR looked like:

    Russian Agriculture News - Page 14 Soviet-supermarket5-600x424

    Your little make believe tables don't stand a chance before cold hard reality

    Same cold hard reality that shattered that turd construct called USSR into billion little chunks of fecal matter

    Commies were promising peace, food and freedom. They immediately failed on all three and kept failing throughout their existence

    Always keep one absolute truth in mind: you had more than one meal today because commies are no longer in charge

    If you want to keep peddling bullshit by claiming otherwise feel free to do so but you will be called out on that bullshit at all times





    Notice how all of these photos of muh breadlines are from the late 80s and early 90s, when the magic of the free market was being implemented. Also you're so pathetic with your appeals to emotion and us raising eyebrows regarding your blatant propaganda straight out of US state dpt sponsored media.
    Its the capitalists promising high wages, muh freedom, muh prosperity. What do we get? Stagnant wages, 100s of applications for minwage job positions, poisounous processed food, eternal oligarchy, eternal debt slavery, rising property prices. Also of course, not being able to post what you want lest you get fired by your employer. So much for freedom.

    Fuck off with your western BS. You're sucking the cock of an ideology that destroyed eastern europe forever, and whose prosperity was achieved from constant regime changes, looting labor and natural resources of eastern europe and the global south, monopoly over world finance and exploiting workers in the 3rd world.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:49 am

    This here is what calorie intake in USSR looked like:

    Russian Agriculture News - Page 14 Soviet13

    Well that shop can't be all bad if Queen Elizabeth is doing her shopping there... Twisted Evil


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