Venezuela crisis

Lothar von Trotha wrote:

Kyo wrote:During Caldera's government, you could hardly speak of the existence of middle classes. Only a wealthy, corrupt few (that fled afterwards to Miami) and the poor masses, that have been favoured by Chavez' and Maduro's policies.

But the trend can clearly be seen today - those who support Maduro are mostly poor and uneducated, those who oppose him are overwhelmingly middle class or businessmen -'and those groups are most likely to migrate. Where? To the US of course.

Of course if you are in the top 5 of the largest oil producers, you can afford a lot of mismanagement and bad policies - but If you want to make the best use of your resources, then "chavism" is not a way to go. Chavists' hatred of the rich will cause their downfall ultimately.

NationalRus wrote:yeah blame the evil capitalist who didnt wanted to sell ther product to ther citizen and CIA commandos who truely are everywere in venzuela sabotaing everything left and right, they must be also the ones who destroyed ther rule of law, ther judiciary system, ther currency and with that ther imports on which they depend ther investment climate, and organized every protest for this incradble regime of saints who are to perfect to protest against. jabba and the bus driver have done fantastic work indeed

in reality venezuela is in the shit, its falling apart so deep its in the shit, try to find marxist excuses it wont change anything venzuelas citizens are truehly enjoying ther life more and more as the days go past, mugabe will feel soon at home ther

White House wrote:“This new authority is aimed at persons involved in or responsible for the erosion of human rights guarantees, persecution of political opponents, curtailment of press freedoms, use of violence and human rights violations and abuses in response to antigovernment protests, and arbitrary arrest and detention of antigovernment protestors, as well as the significant public corruption by senior government officials in Venezuela,” the release said.

desperation just hit a new level

GarryB wrote:

desperation just hit a new level

Count the number of CCD cameras in the UK and tell me it isn't just a natural trend...

sepheronx wrote:I dont get it. Venezuela is perfect for growing plenty of food, why is their agriculture industry none existant? Even Cuba has one.

sepheronx wrote:Prior to the land redistribution program, how much did they import?

NationalRus wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Prior to the land redistribution program, how much did they import?

of all imports that venezuela made food was 11.2% in 1990, 11.7% 2000 and 15.5% in 2010 a quadrupel growth in imports in comparison to 1990-2000 which escalated now significantly in the last ~3 years

olibeira wrote:The problem with Venezuela is that consumption is rising faster than production. Since Chavez came to power the country went from 20 million to 30 million people. The calory intake increased and people started buying more and better quality food.

Or at least, that was happening up until 2013. Now facing a reduction of USD income, they are increasing domestic production even faster and there seems to be no shortage of food.

And you have to take into account that food prices are very low compared with neighbouring countries.

So there's an incentive for people to engage in food and oil smuggling.

Right now they have a huge distortion in the forex market because they have currency controls which limit movements in the currency.

There's no floating rate like in most countries. That's what's causing the shortages and why people can't afford imported electronics and cars.

So that's a problem they need to face and end the currency controls.

GarryB wrote:Land reform always devastates the food production industry in any country... whether it was the commies in the Soviet Union, or Mugabe in Zimbabwe.

Large farms are more efficient than small ones, but usually those large farms are owned by rich land owners that don't give a sht about the people and treat their workers badly (ie don't pay them enough).

When you split up a big efficient farm and give it to a man and his family he doesn't have enough land to produce for export... generally they have enough to feed their family with enough left over to sell at the local market to make enough money for other things they might buy like clothes etc.

It is often the case of the 1%ers losing their land and that land going to the 99%ers, so of course the standard western response is that it is communism and economic suicide, but most of the time it is just justice.

In Zimbabwe most of the big farms were owned by whites, and you of course ended up with the situation where the rich white land owners underpaid the black workers to generate their wealth further... the usual case where wealth creates more wealth faster than work creates wealth so the rich remained rich or got richer and the poor remained poor or got poorer.

Something the west claims a free market economy solves and history has shown actually makes worse.

sepheronx wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

Kyo wrote:Maduro's Venezuela is going through the same scenario as Allende's Chile that led the way to Pinochet's bloodbath, which had US support.

i hope so

I know someone personally, who was exiled from Chile for 25 years and served prison time prior because of General Pinochet. I am pretty certain he has an actual idea of the system back then and he would probably want to hurt you for that. For that matter, 25,000+ people in Chile would.

You are absolutely a pathetic person.