The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

apparently Ukraine Government have submitted the request to become a new State of USA..

Ukie goverment logic is that..  once they are a state of USA..  quote...

"The Russian aggressor will now have to think twice, about whether they are going to assault American territory,” revealed one government spokesperson. "

Unfortunately Ukrainians do not understand that US will not fight Russia.. if they wanted it.. they will have
done it long time ago..  the US gov wants to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian soldier and when no more ukrainians
left.. use Europeans.  Thats what they did in World war 2.. waited the war was pretty much to be finished to enter.
But not before UK was beaten badly and its economy destroyed.. so essentially Americans became the big winner
in world war 2.. the only nation not invaded ,and because all Europe and Asia was destroyed ,their dollar became the official currency.

Kiev is also wrong to think.. Russia will be scared to fight USA to defend ethnic Russians.  even if americans
politicians went crazy ,their pentagon generals will not do it.. they know the possibility of they losing the war
is very high..  to not say impossible.. Russia and China together cannot be defeated by NATO.. and no one in Europe
will fight for Kiev rights to bomb civilians in eastern ukraine.   In short it looks like Kiev have been repeating their
lies so much.. that they now believe it. but the entire world knows they are the ones commiting war crimes.. and no
nation will align with them in combat.. aside of the most Rusophobics baltic states and Poland. That they never show
any sense of reality.

So is kind surprising how former soviet republics looking to distance from Russia.. again and again commit the same
mistakes to believe that joining NATO will make them safer.. and is the other way. it will be more dangerous for them.. because that will give them a sense of false security and will make them to commit mistakes.. like previous Georgian president did... that though that because they had a close relation with NATO and there were Americans
on their country and a NATO warship at their coast.. they believed that Russia will not dare to fight them..after being
attacked.. and what happened later after they attack Russia? Russia invaded georgia ,and NATO did nothing to help
them.. Today... the former Georgian president Saakashvili is a fugitive of georgian justice.. and he was abandoned
by US. Ukraine today believe they will be safer under NATO umbrella.. and thats completely wrong.. It will only
make them do more stupid things and provoke Russia more ,thinking Russia will do nothing and that just like Georgia believed ,that they will be later rescue ..if they provoke a conflict.

sepheronx wrote:Where did you see this news?  Cannot find it anywhere.

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/ukraine-becomes-us-51st-state.html

Vann7 wrote:apparently Ukraine Government have submitted the request to become a new State of USA..

Ukie goverment logic is that..  once they are a state of USA..  quote...

"The Russian aggressor will now have to think twice, about whether they are going to assault American territory,” revealed one government spokesperson. "

Unfortunately Ukrainians do not understand that US will not fight Russia.. if they wanted it.. they will have
done it long time ago..  the US gov wants to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian soldier and when no more ukrainians
left.. use Europeans.  Thats what they did in World war 2.. waited the war was pretty much to be finished to enter.
But not before UK was beaten badly and its economy destroyed.. so essentially Americans became the big winner
in world war 2.. the only nation not invaded ,and because all Europe and Asia was destroyed ,their dollar became the official currency.

Kiev is also wrong to think.. Russia will be scared to fight USA to defend ethnic Russians.  even if americans
politicians went crazy ,their pentagon generals will not do it.. they know the possibility of they losing the war
is very high..  to not say impossible.. Russia and China together cannot be defeated by NATO.. and no one in Europe
will fight for Kiev rights to bomb civilians in eastern ukraine.   In short it looks like Kiev have been repeating their
lies so much.. that they now believe it. but the entire world knows they are the ones commiting war crimes.. and no
nation will align with them in combat.. aside of the most Rusophobics baltic states and Poland. That they never show
any sense of reality.

So is kind surprising how former soviet republics looking to distance from Russia.. again and again commit the same
mistakes to believe that joining NATO will make them safer.. and is the other way. it will be more dangerous for them.. because that will give them a sense of false security and will make them to commit mistakes.. like previous Georgian president did... that though that because they had a close relation with NATO and there were Americans
on their country and a NATO warship at their coast.. they believed that Russia will not dare to fight them..after being
attacked.. and what happened later after they attack Russia?  Russia invaded georgia ,and NATO did nothing to help
them.. Today... the former Georgian president Saakashvili is a fugitive of georgian justice.. and he was abandoned
by US.    Ukraine today believe they will be safer under NATO umbrella.. and thats completely wrong.. It will only
make them do more stupid things and provoke Russia more ,thinking Russia will do nothing and that just like Georgia believed ,that they will be later rescue ..if they provoke a conflict.

same goes for EU millitaries, none will move when the U.S "orders" them to go fight in Ukraine or against Russia. when this comes up drinking beers with other EU veterans mostly i hear various interpretations of "we cant let Europe get blown up to smoking ruins again" from troops.

the fact that europe got destroyed 60 years ago and the storys about famine, destruction and loss of life that affected real people and fammily's is something the U.S and its politicians do not understand or ever will comprehend. they never experienced what its like to have an bomb drop in their back yard, killing their dog and sending their car trough the air into their neighbours house. most western europeans like me know such story's from our grandparents. its rightfully treated and talked about like its an very dark nightmare that actually took place in reality.

and NATO has not been an cohesive millitary organisation for years now, its been unraveling ever since 2001 with NATO troops going to places like Iraq and Afghanistan. returning home with experiences of what NATO really is, and that picture is monstrous. where U.S foreign policy is the primary objective, millitary force is the primary tool to achieve it and NATO countries are just vassal forces to assist in that goal.
the U.S is oblivious you can not just use other people's to get your dirty things done and assume they got the memory of an goldfish, people see what you do. and like myself actually grow to hate you for exactly what you do. that being destroying country's and life's of completely innocent people just to have their geo-political goals of the U.S congress and White house.

NATO at best is an expensive glass crystal vase right now. looks pretty and fancy on the outside, but hit it lightly and it will shatter into a dozen pieces going their own paths. and certainly not capable of military confrontation.

lack of personell, lack of material, budget cuts, overpriced ineffective millitary hardware, no ammunition left as all is used up in iraq/afghanistan. i mean, the Brits and French used concrete exercise bombs in Libya because they ran out of actual live bombs... failed development projects like the F-35. the list goes on and on and on..... if i would just mention my own country's problems with its millitary alone i can write several pages full. most fun tough, 50% of dutch forces already fall under German millitary authority. not that i mind tough, i value my german neighbour's troops. politians aside i always have a lot of fun with german troops talking about all kinds of matters.

i did not even mention the majority of EU troops are more likely to turn their weapons on the U.S bases than turning those weapon systems on Russia if the actual EU field-troops could decide.

sepheronx wrote:If true, absolutely hilarious.

Indeed.. lol

TO be a US state they will need to change their language and make English their Official language in
all Government activities at very least.. that will be a complete contradiction for Ukrainians splitting
from Russia in the 90s.   Will the white house do that?  I don't think so..  Ukraine have nothing they
need ,and for the only reason Ukraine have a value for americans anglozionist is because is at the borders of Russia and can use them to destabilize Russia.  

Another problem will be Ukraine economy.. Americans will not be able to maintain that failed state. but the
major problem of all is Russia.. that will be sabotaging Ukraine development and keep sending mercenaries for
the obvious reasons that the intention of US with Ukraine are completely Hostile against Russia..

And the worse problem of all is that US will have to fight directly in eastern Ukraine if they accept ukraine
as a state. and thats not what they want.. Americans Neocons strategy is always to get others to the fighting for them.. this is true when they need to deal with strong powers that can fight back.  In world war 2 ,for example Americans do not invade europe until germany was defeated in the eastern front and in full retreat to germany and was clear the war for them was lost..

So i really doubt the US government will place them in a situation ,were they will have to fight in the front line
against RUssia.. (if Ukraine is made a US state). reason is simple.. Any american president who lose a war is a dead sentence for his political career and if many american soldiers wiped.. it will provoke a revolution in USA..  

So it will be in the interest of Russia that Ukraine become a US state..  that is because the Neoliberals chicken hawks in the Pentagon and the US Government no longer they will be able to hide behind others to fight Russia. no more proxy wars.. and all Russia need to do is a military victory in a conventional military conflict . At the first American warship sink.. there will be mayor unrest in US cities.. demanding the entire government to step down.. and federal government to disband.  If Russia lose a warship will not be the same.. Russia is not killing americans at US borders in Mexico or Canada. So Russia is defending their nation and their people.. while Americans are not defending anyone ,they are provoking the conflict.  Moral of the story here is.. World Public opinion is on the side of RUssia..
So if any war start.. and US lose a warship of thousands or hundreds americans soldiers killed /wounded and arrested , it will be the end not only for Obama administration..but for the entire US political elite.
US gov is fueling a criminal war in Ukraine and in Syria and public opinion is not on their side. and this is very
dangerous for them.. any small mistake will be the last.. Americans today , are more and more angry with their
government and paralize cities even for cops abuse on their citizens. A major mistake by the US government ,where hundreds americans die.. in an unpopular , not supported war.. is all that is needed for a major civil war to start in US cities.  

I really think.. Russia have a big chance to score a big victory.. in Ukraine and Syria.. all they need to do is maintain
alive their economy and keep promoting peaceful solutions of any conflict.

Ukraine have zero chance to become a working nation without Russia help.  Europe will not maintain Ukraine and
US will not supply the 10 to 20 billions $USD per year that Ukraine needs to become an operational country. So the possibilities Ukraine will disband in 2015 are very high.. Ukraine only chance for survival is that Poroshenko stop listening americans ,take control of their nation from the ultra nationalist and follow the advices Europe and Russia
that surprisingly are not that different.. Europe and Russia are pushing for peaceful solution ,the disagreements are only with the the positions of where to remove the artillery.  I repeat it again.. i only see Americans desperation now.. Moving NATO troops here and there.. to counter "Russian agression" ,without a clear strategy in Syria.. and their economic warfare on Russia ,not working as well as they wanted.  It all looks like a major failure , and that the best possible action Obama can do is retreat from Ukraine and Syria. to avoid being seen as a major loser.. and instead be seen as an important part of the peaceful solution.

If Obama does not retreat in Ukraine and continue pushing for violence.. US risk to become isolated in the world..
this is dangerous for US world leadership.. it will show and teach the european colonies that they can rebel against
US policy and get away with it. You have now 1)France asking for lifting sanctions on Russia. 2)Germany saying will NOT supply weapons to Ukraine 3)Greece ,BUlgaria and Serbia and Hungary in rebelion too..
now they want the southstream.. etc.. the list goes on.

30% down the Hryvnia. Massive inflation in basic products.

magnumcromagnon wrote:So apparently Kiev has officially canceled it's Victory Day parade, but of course you can't offend your Banderasites now lol!

Someone should cancel Kiev. It's long overdue.

Probably the most interesting video of fighting in a long time of the ukraine conflict..
lots of tank action..must see.

Exclusive video: Total sweep of Uglegorsk, NAF special operation (18+)






Ukrainian soldier cries watching videos of results of Ukrainian artillery strikes on civillians

What is the latest in Debaltseve? What is happening there?

par far wrote:What is the latest in Debaltseve? What is happening there?

look at the video   above  of Total sweep of Uglegorsk.
that town was the last one to fully close devaltsevo exit.
NOVO fighters are now street by street cleaning the pocket , slowly advancing
but with firm pace.

Pantsir S1 in E Ukraine.
They found it in an Ukrainian base... huh ?  Ukraine doesn't have Panstsir s1s.

par far wrote:What is the latest in Debaltseve? What is happening there?

At the latest, on the 03/02/2015 the Debal'tsevo pocket was closed (got fully surrounded). Probably the pocket is being reduced since then.

The next pocket should/would/does extend in its northwestern limit to the area around Luganskoe-Svetlodarsk-Mironovka.

F-15E wrote:Pantsir S1 in E Ukraine.
They found it in an Ukrainian base... huh ?  Ukraine doesn't have Panstsir s1s.

It will not be surprising if the photo is real...and is eastern ukraine the place it was taken. Two toschka ballistic missiles were intercepted a day ago..  The question is where is US Airforce helping the kiev junta?  Why they help IRAQ but not Ukraine.. what is their fear?     Will be nice to see an F-22 shutdown and its parts sent to Russia for close inspection. The F-22 will never know what hit them with pantsirs passive radars and interception.

In more news.. look at this F-15E.. the criminal government that your country support..

Ukrainian parliament passes law allowing army deserters to be shot  

http://rt.com/news/229739-ukraine-army-shoot-defectors/

Last info was that about 100,000 ukrainians from military age ,crossed into RUssia ,to avoid being recruited in US-kiev sponsored genocidal war..

Vineyard of the Saker THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2015

Intermedia Ukraine mini-SITREP
So Kerry and Nuland are in Kiev, and tomorrow Merkel and Hollande will be in Moscow. This is probably the strongest evidence that the Debaltsevo cauldron is closed and the surrounded junta forces desperate and defeated (one Russian military analyst stated in an interview that he believes that about half of all the truly combat capable junta forces are in the Debaltsevo cauldron - in other words, the junta army has been defeated again). In other words, the AngloZionists are again intervening to save their sorry little Nazi buddies and their failed regime in Kiev. How noble of them.

Did you know that Putin suffers from high level autism? Yes, according to The Telegraph, this is what the US Pentagon thinks: Putin is an "Aspie". First, there is nothing wrong with being an Aspie (I have several terrific Aspie friends - I really like Aspies, they make more sense to me then "normal" people) but second, it really makes me wonder what they are going to say next to try to vent their hatred of Putin. Maybe that he is a deaf, dumb and blind baby eating pedophile with strong homoerotic and sadomasochistic traits? Or that he is an extra-terrestrial preparing the invasion of earth for alien Orthodox monastics? Or maybe just another "new Hitler"...

Open thread until this evening.

Cheers,

The Saker

Summary of develsevo.. 1 day old..  

Kyo wrote:Vineyard of the Saker THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2015

Intermedia Ukraine mini-SITREP
So Kerry and Nuland are in Kiev, and tomorrow Merkel and Hollande will be in Moscow.  This is probably the strongest evidence that the Debaltsevo cauldron is closed and the surrounded junta forces desperate and defeated (one Russian military analyst stated in an interview that he believes that about half of all the truly combat capable junta forces are in the Debaltsevo cauldron - in other words, the junta army has been defeated again).  In other words, the AngloZionists are again intervening to save their sorry little Nazi buddies and their failed regime in Kiev.  How noble of them.

Did you know that Putin suffers from high level autism?  Yes, according to The Telegraph, this is what the US Pentagon thinks: Putin is an "Aspie".  First, there is nothing wrong with being an Aspie (I have several terrific Aspie friends - I really like Aspies, they make more sense to me then "normal" people) but second, it really makes me wonder what they are going to say next to try to vent their hatred of Putin.  Maybe that he is a deaf, dumb and blind baby eating pedophile with strong homoerotic and sadomasochistic traits?  Or that he is an extra-terrestrial preparing the invasion of earth for alien Orthodox monastics?  Or maybe just another "new Hitler"...

Open thread until this evening.

Cheers,

The Saker

You can never underestimate the emeny, especially in war. If they got the fascist army surrounded, then go for the kill, don't wait, kill as many as you can because they are going to come back.

Airbornewolf and others
1. NATO must be disbanded and replaced with a military alliance within EU.
2. US troops must be kicked out of Europe and military alliance with US must be limited to some ad hoc cooperation on hot issues - nothing more.
3. Military expeditures must be increased a bit and European defence industry must become independent in all areas
4. Conflicts with Russia must be avoided at all costs. Ukraine should be divided into two spheres of influence, one Russian and one European (but US cannot have anything to do with that)

Donbass...

Yet another stupid ceasefire, that'll eventually be broken by Kiev:




...what is this the 3934937498739873498 ceasefire now?

magnumcromagnon wrote:Yet another stupid ceasefire, that'll eventually be broken by Kiev:




...what is this the 3934937498739873498 ceasefire now?

This is just stupid, when you have the emeny on the ropes, you go for the kill.

Europe, not Russia pressured Kiev over EU association agreement – former Ukrainian PM

IT is clear Germany and France and many most of europe oppose the war..

Hollande, Merkel go to Moscow to discuss Ukraine without consulting US – report

http://rt.com/news/229783-hollande-merkel-moscow-ukraine/


The question is.. what kind of weapons US can give Ukraine ,that will make Germany and France to rush to kiev and moscow and talk with Poroshenko and Putin to secure a peace deal ,and counter Kerry pushing for war? What kind of weapons could help the kiev fighters to push the NAF fighters away of the devaltsevo cauldron and or Donetsk Airport? Let me remind you ,that if US announce to give weapons to kiev..and such weapons end being not good enough.. their reputation will be in place as an inferior power than Russia.. if Rebels not pushed back.

There was even discussion on the US congress that Ukrainians are not trained to use more advanced weapons ,that they have and that it will take months at least for that training them.  So Obviously If USA give weapons to Ukraine
to help them now.. weapons that ukrainians cannot use or understand how to use now. This means that for sure
it will be americans the ones operating the new weapons they will receive. and such weapons have nervous Germany and France that it could trigger Russia to invade Ukraine with its army.. and or attack USA.. and a major war start.

So what kind of weapons Americans can provide Kiev if US is desperate to show they are doing
something to "help their allies" and tip the balance on the fight.. at least for Devalsevo and Donetsk airport.

Here is my best guess..
1)Tactical mini nukes.. with 1 kiloton power.. enough to wipe 1-5 km distance.
(but something like this will mean  War with Russia)

2)Chemical weapons ...US have very lethal chemical weapons that the Rebels will not be prepared to fight..
no gear.. etc,,

3) Moad Bombs  (perhaps launched from artillery)


4)and or provide incendiary fuel bomb long range artillery guided by GPS..

5)or provide the same bomb Israel used on Syria that melts the ground.. and dig a huge hole.. ideal for destroying
fortifications , bunkers over a large area. .



Looks like Nanothermite bomb.. the same thing US and Israel used to tear down world trade center in 9/11 and blame it on talibals in caves.. later..   .this last one is the most likely weapon that americans dressed as ukrainians will start using against the Rebels.. Very lethal indeed.

Weapons like that ,(that im sure Russia also have).. is the reason why it should be a good idea for the rebels to fight as close as possible of the Ukrainians. To make it more difficult for the western Anglozionist mafia to target them alone. and have the risk of friendly fire.

Whatever it is.. Russia needs to be prepared in days for a major coward attack of the exceptional americans ,that could cause major casualties on the Rebels fighting there. . Probably this is why we see reports of Pantsirs in eastern Ukraine..

What is dangerous about this is that US can hide behind the ukrainian army ,use their uniforms and attack not only eastern ukraine with lethal weapons using professional forces ,veterans of their army.. but also Russia.. to provoke
they invade... which is their goal. i predict that we will know what kind of weapons Kiev received in just less than 1 week.  

I don't think Kiev will win,and i don;t think americans expect either that kiev will win the war.. but the western mafia can cause significant damages and casualties on the rebels using all they have at hand even without using nuclear
weapons. Just to provoke Russia to invade.. And casualties on Russian undercover voluntary soldiers that could be helping in the fight.