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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:00 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Russia can only dream about superpower status - it will not happen any time soon and that is reality, country is simply not SSSR nor does have power that matches it. However country will retain its great euroasian power status on long run.

    But it will be challenged too, sometimes even by middle size powers and there are plenty of aspirants in that group - Turkey, Iran, S. Korea etc. list goes on; or in the great power club by countries like India, Japan etc...

    Problem for Putin's Russia is that is trying to emulate old SSSR and it does not work. Western sanctions are enough to make its prestige non existing internationally and country by itself apart of steering troubles (Ukraine, Balkans etc...) is not able to bring neither lasting peace nor economical prosperity in places were it is directly involved - Syria, Libya.

    But Putin's Russia is dreaming of super power status and that is why country is also very dangerous.

    Russians by themselves do not give a sh*t, they are smart people, do not believe in delusions of their political elites one iota lol, that is situation on the ground.

    The mental asylum you are living in must have very lax rules if you are allowed to get your fingers on a keyboard.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:24 pm

    Russia is a superpower. But many clowns do not understand this fact and project all sorts of fantasy delusions on it and on the woke
    toilets they reside.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:25 pm

    Hole wrote:
    mr_hd wrote:Russia can only dream about superpower status - it will not happen any time soon and that is reality, country is simply not SSSR nor does have power that matches it. However country will retain its great euroasian power status on long run.

    But it will be challenged too, sometimes even by middle size powers and there are plenty of aspirants in that group - Turkey, Iran, S. Korea etc. list goes on; or in the great power club by countries like India, Japan etc...

    Problem for Putin's Russia is that is trying to emulate old SSSR and it does not work. Western sanctions are enough to make its prestige non existing internationally and country by itself apart of steering troubles (Ukraine, Balkans etc...) is not able to bring neither lasting peace nor economical prosperity in places were it is directly involved - Syria, Libya.

    But Putin's Russia is dreaming of super power status and that is why country is also very dangerous.

    Russians by themselves do not give a sh*t, they are smart people, do not believe in delusions of their political elites one iota lol, that is situation on the ground.

    The mental asylum you are living in must have very lax rules if you are allowed to get your fingers on a keyboard.

    The moron doesn't even make sense. Putin's Russia this or that. And says that's the reality on the ground. That isn't though.  Putin himself stated, along with Lavrov, they don't want to be a superpower. And it's obvious why. Too much headaches and little gain.

    His bit about Russia in Libya doesn't make sense either since Russia isn't in Libya. Maybe Mercs. But not Russia officially. As for Syria, comment doesn't make sense either since Syria regained majority of its territory after Russia came in.  Areas liberated are now developing and working and growing.

    The rest is just general garbage.  Not sure where the moron came from, but clearly speaks of something it doesn't understand.

    kvs wrote:Russia is a superpower.  But many clowns do not understand this fact and project all sorts of fantasy delusions on it and on the woke
    toilets they reside.


    It's a nuclear super power, with a growing conventional capability. It's becoming rather autarky economically which makes sense for it. In its own right, it's a super power but not in the general sense.

    That last morons bit about regional powers like Turkey..... Turkey is a broke country on constant verge of revolt and looks for adventures outside to occupy their people's attention. In the end, Turkey will break economically or will be forced to bend back into NATO's will.

    Japan is a lapdog and isn't taken seriously.

    India isn't capable yet of producing the basics of what it needs.

    I can go on.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:48 pm

    There is plenty of evidence that Russia is a technological and real economy superpower. The USA has 50% of its GDP in the so-called
    financial industry. It has offshored its manufacturing and supposedly has 10% left. But this 10% scales with the grossly inflated prices
    of the MIC. So physically it is smaller than 10%.

    Superpower does not mean international meddler nanny. It means the ability to produce things from scratch that other countries cannot.
    The Russian military would not be top three on the planet if Russia was not a superpower. All the sources dismissing Russia as second
    rate are full of shit and use nominal GDP plus grossly out of date evaluations. We saw this crap with the Atlantic magazine writing Russia
    off back in 2003 when it was already clear that it was reviving. The noise created by these information sources create the false image of
    Russia as "Upper Volta with nukes". Obummer's comment that "Russia does not make anything" in 2014 (or later) underscores my point.

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    Post  mr_hd Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:31 pm

    Hole wrote:...

    The mental asylum you are living in must have very lax rules if you are allowed to get your fingers on a keyboard.

    If that is your estimate of my mental state then for sure you are clueless of the Russian super power status and we have nothing to discuss ha ha, so feel free to skip me, I do not mind Very Happy .
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    Post  mr_hd Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:40 pm

    kvs wrote:There is plenty of evidence that Russia is a technological and real economy superpower.   The USA has 50% of its GDP in the so-called
    financial industry.  It has offshored its manufacturing and supposedly has 10% left.  But this 10% scales with the grossly inflated prices
    of the MIC.  So physically it is smaller than 10%.  

    Superpower does not mean international meddler nanny.   It means the ability to produce things from scratch that other countries cannot.
    The Russian military would not be top three on the planet if Russia was not a superpower.    All the sources dismissing Russia as second
    rate are full of shit and use nominal GDP plus grossly out of date evaluations.   We saw this crap with the Atlantic magazine writing Russia
    off back in 2003 when it was already clear that it was reviving.   The noise created by these information sources create the false image of
    Russia as "Upper Volta with nukes".   Obummer's comment that "Russia does not make anything" in 2014 (or later) underscores my point.

     
    Super power status means enormous prestige and absolute leading world position in technology, innovation, economy, military, education, culture, soft and hard power etc... leading position by quite large landmark, since gap between super power and great power is huge. So no, Russia is not definitely super power, if it is this discussion would be irrelevant anyway - which is not ha ha.

    We are in transitional time in relation to world order, even US is not surely anymore super power in most of the aspects that it used to be just 10 years ago and trend for them is on down side, on the other hand China is best second candidate to fully develop into next super power but it is transitional time so we have to be patient, wait and see - Russia will not be super power before China that is for sure.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:48 pm

    bitcointrader is back boys. He is now Mr HD.

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    Post  calripson Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:35 am

    kvs wrote:There is plenty of evidence that Russia is a technological and real economy superpower.   The USA has 50% of its GDP in the so-called
    financial industry.  It has offshored its manufacturing and supposedly has 10% left.  But this 10% scales with the grossly inflated prices
    of the MIC.  So physically it is smaller than 10%.  

    Superpower does not mean international meddler nanny.   It means the ability to produce things from scratch that other countries cannot.
    The Russian military would not be top three on the planet if Russia was not a superpower.    All the sources dismissing Russia as second
    rate are full of shit and use nominal GDP plus grossly out of date evaluations.   We saw this crap with the Atlantic magazine writing Russia
    off back in 2003 when it was already clear that it was reviving.   The noise created by these information sources create the false image of
    Russia as "Upper Volta with nukes".   Obummer's comment that "Russia does not make anything" in 2014 (or later) underscores my point.

     

    There is a difference between the financial and the physical measures of economy. The monetary measure that we are all accustomed to derives from 18-19th century British theorists like Adam Smith and Jeremy Bentham. The basic premise is "utilitarianism" which means a dollar spent on a prostitute has as much utility as a dollar spent on medical research. "Money" has a value in and of itself. A physical approach to economy looks at the ability of the human mind and human creativity to modify the physical world to meet the needs of mankind.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:26 am

    And its population will shrink rapidly in the coming decades (just like Japans) thanks tot he one child policy.

    And the fact that better educated people tend to have less children....

    But Putin's Russia is dreaming of super power status and that is why country is also very dangerous.

    If Putin wanted Russia to be a superpower there is no way he would be pushing BRICS and SCO and other organisations that do not bind other countries to Russias view and will and basically state you are a country make your own choices and we will respect them.

    If Putin wanted superpower status Belarus and Georgia and Ukraine would be Russian territory and the Baltic States would be very nervous... as would Poland.

    Well the Baltics and Poland are nervous already but that is because they are inept idiots too full of their own importance to the universe.

    Russians by themselves do not give a sh*t, they are smart people, do not believe in delusions of their political elites one iota lol, that is situation on the ground.

    Putins focus is not expansion and conquest, it is internal and is on development and growth for Russia and trying to ensure the west cannot easily derail that focus to allow them to steal from the Russian people everything they possibly can... like they did in the 1990s.

    The mental asylum you are living in must have very lax rules if you are allowed to get your fingers on a keyboard.

    He is allowed a point of view and opinion... personal attacks wont change his opinion or view, and might make him think you have no counter arguments so therefore he is probably right.

    Russia is a superpower. But many clowns do not understand this fact and project all sorts of fantasy delusions on it and on the woke
    toilets they reside.

    Biden is sending the head of the CIA to talk to Putin... sounds like America still thinks Russia is important...

    The moron doesn't even make sense. Putin's Russia this or that. And says that's the reality on the ground. That isn't though. Putin himself stated, along with Lavrov, they don't want to be a superpower. And it's obvious why. Too much headaches and little gain.

    No need for the first part but the rest I agree with... the Soviet Union bankrupted itself trying to create a military force to match the rich and wealthy west while subsidising and supporting lot of basket case countries that really didn't appreciate or contribute very much.

    The best thing about the collapse of the Soviet Union is the loss of an ideology that required Russia to carry so much baggage.

    Rather than feeding all the countries of the world they should be showing them how to fish... provide an open and free market and the technology they need to get ahead and develop... something the west works hard to deny to the third world in the hopes it remains the third world resource bucket they can pull things from when they need it.

    Problem for Putin's Russia is that is trying to emulate old SSSR and it does not work. Western sanctions are enough to make its prestige non existing internationally and country by itself apart of steering troubles (Ukraine, Balkans etc...) is not able to bring neither lasting peace nor economical prosperity in places were it is directly involved - Syria, Libya.

    The pressure the west puts on Russia would destroy most western countries let alone any second world countries... the fact that Russia has not only survived that pressure but has grown and developed... they are working on new generation systems that are world class... and they continue to balance the books and keep a decent reserve for a real rainy day... no western country is even close in that regard... they seem to be the only grown ups in the room.

    It's a nuclear super power, with a growing conventional capability. It's becoming rather autarky economically which makes sense for it. In its own right, it's a super power but not in the general sense.

    The problem is that super power suggests colonial power that interferes and controls markets in its own interests and favour... which is not something Putin wants to pursue... there is no point in Russia getting super rich and super powerful if the rest of the world are poor.

    Superpower does not mean international meddler nanny.

    That is the problem... the people saying Russia is not a super power think it does...

    Super power status means enormous prestige and absolute leading world position in technology, innovation, economy, military, education, culture, soft and hard power etc... leading position by quite large landmark, since gap between super power and great power is huge

    I am sure Russia is only interested in not being told what to do by other countries... which is why the US is a super power and the EU and Japan and South Korea and Australia and Canada is not.

    China is a super power and so is Russia and India is teetering on the brink of the path to become one but seems to want the US to tell them what to do...

    So no, Russia is not definitely super power, if it is this discussion would be irrelevant anyway - which is not ha ha.

    Russia does what it likes and can destroy any other country or group of countries on the planet... that makes them pretty untouchable... if the US and all of HATO together with their Pacific allies of Japan and South Korea and Australia etc etc don't want to start a fight with Russia... that suggests there is fear if not respect.

    We are in transitional time in relation to world order, even US is not surely anymore super power in most of the aspects that it used to be just 10 years ago and trend for them is on down side,

    Of course it is a super power... it does what it pleases and screws over its so called friends and allies doing as it pleases and its military power is enormous, if clunky and not as effective as most Americans clearly believe it to be.

    on the other hand China is best second candidate to fully develop into next super power but it is transitional time so we have to be patient, wait and see - Russia will not be super power before China that is for sure.

    China does as it pleases and puts its own interests first, which is an important first step... it puts it ahead of every country that considers itself part of the west that is not the US... EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc etc are all servants.

    Its economy puts it ahead of Russia but its military is not of the same level... certainly if they continue to work together HATO would no longer be the worlds most powerful force it believes itself to be.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:28 pm

    Key point you hit: Russia does what it wants to do and needs to do. People threaten it like they do China, but they don't act against it directly knowing they would be vaporized.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:24 pm

    Ivana should stick to watching CNN, being the drooling idiot that she is.

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    Post  Hole Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:52 pm

    Today the tables have turned. The USA is an Obervolta with nukes. The only things keeping them a superpower are the nukes and the generations of bribed politicians in mostly european and asian countries that turned them into lapdogs that follow any order coming from Washington, even when the order hurts their countries.

    Concerning GDP numbers: 20% of the american GDP belong to the "healthcare" sector which charges you 500 bucks for a place on the parking lot.

    According to Patrick Armstrong there are onyl 3 "full-service" economies on the planet: China, Russia and the country south of Canada. That´s the 3 "superpowers", all other countries are medium or small powers.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:52 pm

    Hole wrote:Today the tables have turned. The USA is an Obervolta with nukes. The only things keeping them a superpower are the nukes and the generations of bribed politicians in mostly european and asian countries that turned them into lapdogs that follow any order coming from Washington, even when the order hurts their countries.

    Not only. They still have the largest navy and air force in the world.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:18 pm

    Hole wrote:According to Patrick Armstrong there are onyl 3 "full-service" economies on the planet: China, Russia and the country south of Canada.

    You mean Mexico? dunno

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:12 am

    Arrow wrote:
    Hole wrote:Today the tables have turned. The USA is an Obervolta with nukes. The only things keeping them a superpower are the nukes and the generations of bribed politicians in mostly european and asian countries that turned them into lapdogs that follow any order coming from Washington, even when the order hurts their countries.

    Not only.  They still have the largest navy and air force in the world.

    True. But as this comment about Russia/SU was made, it had not only the largest stockpile of nukes but the largest fully mechanized army in the world, the largest air force (+ the largest air defence network) of the world and the largest navy (by number of ships), which also had a huge number of medium-range missile carriers/bombers.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:17 pm

    Not only. They still have the largest navy and air force in the world.

    True but their Air Force and Navy and Army are drawing money and resources from the body faster than the body can produce them and is therefore in effect killing the subject it pretends to be defending...

    It is like a parent with three really fat kids that will only eat Caviar and will only drink champaign.... they used to have good jobs and now they don't and their three fat kids are killing them.

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