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    Russia as superpower status

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    Post  calripson Fri 20 Nov 2020, 17:48

    A recent poll allegedly revealed that only 31% of Russians aspire to be a "superpower" and most want a comfortable and affluent life not caring about "superpower" status. This is actually disturbing as their real choice is not between "superpower" and "comfort" - their real choice is between remaining an integral sovereign state and the false promise of "safety" and "affluence". In other words, in losing their "will to power", are younger Russians losing their will to independence. It is a small step from this mode of thinking to caving in to promises of EU lifestyles and guaranteed NATO collective security. The real issue for the younger urban population is actually that their lives have already become too easy and posh and they expect too much for too little. An excess of man bun wearing males and tatted females in Russian cities these days.
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    Post  kvs Fri 20 Nov 2020, 17:56

    calripson wrote:A recent poll allegedly revealed that only 31% of Russians aspire to be a "superpower" and most want a comfortable and affluent life not caring about "superpower" status. This is actually disturbing as their real choice is not between "superpower" and "comfort" - their real choice is between remaining an integral sovereign state and the false promise of "safety" and "affluence". In other words, in losing their "will to power", are younger Russians losing their will to independence. It is a small step from this mode of thinking to caving in to promises of EU lifestyles and guaranteed NATO collective security. The real issue for the younger urban population is actually that their lives have already become too easy and posh and they expect too much for too little. An excess of man bun wearing males and tatted females in Russian cities these days.

    Unfortunately humans all suffer from this disease. The notion of some thousands of years old urban civilization pimped in scifi is absurd.
    Soft urban environments lead to rapid mental degeneration of the people and this directly results in collapse. China has not been
    an urban civilization for three thousand years. It has been an agrarian one for basically 2980 out of those 3000 years. There
    are no examples of any long lasting urban civilizations. It is clear from the current trends and state of the world that serious
    instabilities are going to wipe out this metastable social regime.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri 20 Nov 2020, 19:12

    calripson wrote:A recent poll allegedly revealed that only 31% of Russians aspire to be a "superpower" and most want a comfortable and affluent life not caring about "superpower" status. This is actually disturbing as their real choice is not between "superpower" and "comfort" - their real choice is between remaining an integral sovereign state and the false promise of "safety" and "affluence". In other words, in losing their "will to power", are younger Russians losing their will to independence. It is a small step from this mode of thinking to caving in to promises of EU lifestyles and guaranteed NATO collective security. The real issue for the younger urban population is actually that their lives have already become too easy and posh and they expect too much for too little. An excess of man bun wearing males and tatted females in Russian cities these days.

    Actually I think you may be thinking things a bit too hard.

    The two things that are standard viewpoint in Russia and a lot among the youth (males more so) is nationalism.  You can't have nationalism if you are under someone else's control.

    Second is they don't want to be a super power, but a power with comfort.

    Essentially, Russians don't give a shit about others and want to handle themselves and be themselves and build themselves up.

    Only liberals, which are a small part of the population, want to be under control by someone else.

    Now can you post the link of the poll?  Cause I think there is more to it

    One issue is, what is considered a comfortable life? How do you measure that? I mean, you already have a comfortable life if you:
    1) have a job
    2) able to save money
    3) have a roof over your head
    4) have basics like water, food, healthcare
    5) basic entertainment
    6) either public or private transportation.

    Russians ready have this. So what is "comfortable"?

    All polls tend to be nonsense anyway.
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    Post  kvs Fri 20 Nov 2020, 19:26

    A lot of polls in Russia have a clearly political motive. Those by the "independent" liberast Levada Center in particular.
    The questions are loaded and the responses are interpreted in a very biased way. So we had the BS about most Russians
    being in love with Stalin and North Korean style oppression when in actuality people properly evaluated the role of
    Stalin in Russia's history. Cheesy western denigration of Stalin is in a long line of similar BS which we saw with Ivan
    Grozniy and other Russian leaders in history. The Russia-hating west is always flinging mud at Russia and Russians
    and then bitches at them for not lapping up the hate like nectar.



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    Post  Arrow Sat 21 Nov 2020, 11:32

    A recent poll allegedly revealed that only 31% of Russians aspire to be a "superpower" and most want a comfortable and affluent life not caring about "superpower" status. wrote:

    The question is whether Russia has the ability to become a superpower? It will definitely be a rich and powerful country, but it will be a superpower?
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    Post  GarryB Sat 21 Nov 2020, 12:45

    I suspect rather than them not wanting to be a super power, what they really meant is that they don't want to boss other countries around like the west does or dictate to other countries what they can or cannot do and they certainly don't want to be the worlds police like the west does....

    The question is whether Russia has the ability to become a superpower? It will definitely be a rich and powerful country, but it will be a superpower?

    Depends what you mean... in terms of economics it is not, but then most economic superpowers are all smoke and mirrors... most of their wealth is shady hedgefund managers... you know... thieves...

    There is also political super powers... their handling of the situation in Syria and the fact that countries look to them to solve problems... including getting the Taleban to talk to the US over Afghanistan suggests they are already the country of choice for diplomacy... compared with the US and EU which are the countries of ultimatums and violence... cruise missile strikes and sanctions.

    In terms of military they can destroy any country or group of countries on the planet if they choose to, which sort of makes them a super power in that regard too.
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    Post  kvs Sat 21 Nov 2020, 17:44

    Most of the dick measuring is with nominal GDP figures.   It does not even take into account the actual economic capacity.
    So Russia can build basically anything, but the "hyper power" USA can't.   Westinghouse is a good example.   And this
    "hyper power" has shipped its manufacturing offshore.

    The definition of super power is not clear so it is useless.   Having your fiat be the world's reserve currency does not make
    you a super power let alone a hyper power.  

    It is clear that Russia's GDP is grossly understated.   The consumer-centric PPP adjustment is misleading since the prices
    in the MIC and industrial sector are not 1:2 but closer to 1:6.   At the same time, the US GDP is grossly exaggerated since
    it counts all of its offshore activity as if it was domestic and has a mystical financial industry where paper shuffling
    is considered actual economic activity.   This is why the GDP is a BS metric.   The only thing that Americans see from their
    grand offshore footprint is a bit of trickle down and the profit flow only does not even reach the USA fully and is parked
    in offshore banks to avoid taxes.   The US offshore GDP does not produce US jobs.   Then we have the ludicrous
    foreign debt = GDP growth accounting.   The sale of US treasury bills is directly counted as GDP growth in the USA.   That it
    does not produce any jobs and is just a fill the debt hole activity is not taken into account.

    If the USSR was a superpower, then Russia has more claim to this title.   Russia's economy is much more developed now
    than before 1990.   The agricultural sector is a good example.   The USSR couldn't handle growing wheat.   And if you
    look at the military vehicle pool outside of tanks,  Russia has way more diversity now than it did before 1990.   And the
    consumer trash sector is no longer totally deprived.   This sector is very important in all the dick measuring that NATzO
    loves so much.

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