Turkey relations with US and NATO

South is covered by Syria, Iranians, Russians ... and Marxist Gods only knows who else if needed
Maybe Iraqi Mi-28

Putin has horse traded with Turkey to get things Russia wanted at the time, that Turkey appears to be turning on Russia is not great surprise to anyone... they are part of HATO of course... what part of that did no one understand.

The responses need to be carefully calculated not to damage Russia more than it damages Turkey, but I do suspect there is going to be bad times ahead for Turkey because all these nice deals are only to make them screw up their relations with Russia... once they are in line the real European attitude to that border country will appear and if they aren't already part of the EU they never will be.

Turkey paid lots of money for the F-35s and they are getting F-16s instead... an aircraft about to be decimated in the conflict in Ukraine so they are likely to become worthless fairly soon.

I hope Erdogan enjoys his few pieces of silver, but then these stories are from which sources... I am guessing mostly western sources from the gloating tone... lets see what the Russians can make if all these claims... it should be interesting to see their responses.

Particularly to the claim that the grain deal will continue with or without the Russians... that might even be entertaining.

Regarding Azov commanders returning to the battlefield... that is actually great news if you think about it... Russia had very little chance of killing them in Turkey... now they are back on the table... or should I say menu.

Hopefully there are enough normal Ukrainians that want such openly nazi men removed from the gene pool... some of these guys might even try to take over from Zelensky in a coup... they didn't seem keen to fight to the death last time around and don't seem in any rush to get to the front lines either...

Sweden has never been Neutral country during WW2 Sweden allowed German forces to transit through it's country to Northern Norway

Of course there were no neutral countries in WWII... even the Swiss made AA gun ammo for the Germans during the war and they arrested and sent people escaping from Germany back to Germany...

Sweden is better in HATO, because as mentioned they have always been in that block anyway... why pretend.

HATO is not made stronger being part of HATO and Sweden is not safer now Russia does not need to hide the fact that it will now be pointing nuclear weapons at the now openly hostile country.

Russia can stop wasting time improving relations with Sweden and Finland and consider both countries to be hostile, and if Turkey wants to join the EU and want to start actioning EU and HATO sanctions against Russia then that is perfectly OK for Russia too... it is going to cost Turkey quite a lot not being the new gas hub transferring most of the Russian gas still going to the EU... I rather suspect it will be this winter that Russia decides to cut off gas and coal and uranium to the west.

Who says Russia can't be proactive in their own sanctions against the west?

People here oppose an uni-polar world but this is what a multi-polar world looks like... Turkey is one of the polar's and has it's own interests.

Franco is exactly right.... BRICS is not about everyone joining BRICS having to say Russia or China or India can do no wrong and the rules don't apply to them.

BRICS is about keeping your method of government... whether that is communism like China or democracy like Russia etc, you can keep your religions too, but not imposing morals or culture on other countries the way the US tries.

China can sign deals and agreements with the US and the west, and if Russia wanted to it could do the same.

Not really clear what Turkey has agreed to and why, but I am sure over the next few days and weeks we will learn the truth.

Remember when Russia pulled back from Kiev we didn't know it was part of a peace agreement that Kiev reneged on because Boris told them not to.

I am really interested in seeing what happens with this grain trade deal that ends on 17th of July... ship movements on the 18th will be interesting.

Perhaps Russias response the the US supplying cluster munitions might be to totally destroy their grain stores and vehicles and ships used to transport their grain... including tractors and farm machinery... there must be thousands of men involved in farming left to be sent to the front line who thought they were safe... this will free them up for the slaughter... and now Russia is free to use cluster munitions too... that will make their artillery and other attacks rather more devastating... and efficient.