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Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports
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Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports
magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:20 am
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Cyprus bought it!! Nora B-52
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George1 wrote:Cyprus bought it!! Nora B-52
George can you check Greek websites to see if there are any more photos? I can't find anything else on English sites.
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The wheeled vehicle version of the Coalition is shown above is most likely to enter service... I suspect the Boomerang will be too small and light to carry a full power version of the Coalition 152mm gun.
Amusingly just looking at that Serbian design they might make a tracked version using the dual vehicle DT-30 setup for arctic regions perhaps, but I doubt a wheeled model is in their design plans.
Amusingly just looking at that Serbian design they might make a tracked version using the dual vehicle DT-30 setup for arctic regions perhaps, but I doubt a wheeled model is in their design plans.
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Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports
magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:01 pm
GarryB wrote:The wheeled vehicle version of the Coalition is shown above is most likely to enter service... I suspect the Boomerang will be too small and light to carry a full power version of the Coalition 152mm gun.
Amusingly just looking at that Serbian design they might make a tracked version using the dual vehicle DT-30 setup for arctic regions perhaps, but I doubt a wheeled model is in their design plans.
Boomerang too small for Koalitsiya? I don't think so (the Boomerang chassis at the bottom):
Also check page 8 & 9 of the pdf:
http://opp.gp-media.ru/images/nomera/OPP_4-19.pdf
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PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:Cyprus bought it!! Nora B-52
George can you check Greek websites to see if there are any more photos? I can't find anything else on English sites.
I have already put a video with Cyprus national guard parade for independence day that was in 1st October. Nora B-52 were presented in public for first time
Chech here:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t1760-cypriot-national-guard-news
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PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:Cyprus bought it!! Nora B-52
George can you check Greek websites to see if there are any more photos? I can't find anything else on English sites.
Also photos
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Also Cyprus bought Milosh BOV M16 4x4 multi-purpose armored combat vehicles. They were also presented in parade
Cyprus supports Serbian defence industry!
Cyprus supports Serbian defence industry!
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George1 wrote:Also Cyprus bought Milosh BOV M16 4x4 multi-purpose armored combat vehicles. They were also presented in parade
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Cyprus supports Serbian defence industry!
Thanks bro, this is awesome
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How many did they ordered ? What is the single cost ?
What does Turkey has in terms of equipment in Cyprus ?
What does Turkey has in terms of equipment in Cyprus ?
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Isos wrote:How many did they ordered ? What is the single cost ?
What does Turkey has in terms of equipment in Cyprus ?
24 Nora B-52 and 8 Milosh.
Cyprus also in self-propelled artillery has 12 slovak Zuzana Μ2000G 155 mm and 12 French outdated Mk F3 55 mm.
Τurkey in Cyprus according to our sources transferred in 2018 summer 77 modern T-155 Firtina 155m
That was the reason that Cyprus decided to order Nora B-52 to keep at least some balance to opposing forces
*Cost of Nora B-52 per unit was 700.000$ i read in news pages
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Turkey also has about 300x M-48A5T1/2 and recently transferred the more modern 42x Leopard 2-A4
Cyprus has 80x T-80s from russian storage and about 50x French AMX-30 that we had given them from 80s which are actually in non-sevice condition now. So they look also for second hand main battle tanks
Cyprus has 80x T-80s from russian storage and about 50x French AMX-30 that we had given them from 80s which are actually in non-sevice condition now. So they look also for second hand main battle tanks
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24 nora and 8 milosh is rather low and you could have asked for a financial help from EU and nato countries. Serbia is also selling many more stuff that could be interesting like tens of different MLRS and even one with 280km range or pretty nice TV guided atgm with 20km range. For 50-100 million $ you could get very nice equipment from them and build a powerful army.
In terms of tanks t-80 is way better than 2A4 which is a total failure. The only good leo are the the 2A5 and higher. But Turkey has the advantage of numbers and they would flank them rather quickly. Maybe some 200 t-55 and t-62(M) would be a nice gift from russia if you increase the economic trade with them. Or still go with Serbia and buy some m-84 but they don't produce them anymore.
It's also time to bring back those S-300 that are in Greece and deny airspace to cargo planes.
In terms of tanks t-80 is way better than 2A4 which is a total failure. The only good leo are the the 2A5 and higher. But Turkey has the advantage of numbers and they would flank them rather quickly. Maybe some 200 t-55 and t-62(M) would be a nice gift from russia if you increase the economic trade with them. Or still go with Serbia and buy some m-84 but they don't produce them anymore.
It's also time to bring back those S-300 that are in Greece and deny airspace to cargo planes.
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Isos wrote:24 nora and 8 milosh is rather low and you could have asked for a financial help from EU and nato countries. Serbia is also selling many more stuff that could be interesting like tens of different MLRS and even one with 280km range or pretty nice TV guided atgm with 20km range. For 50-100 million $ you could get very nice equipment from them and build a powerful army.
In terms of tanks t-80 is way better than 2A4 which is a total failure. The only good leo are the the 2A5 and higher. But Turkey has the advantage of numbers and they would flank them rather quickly. Maybe some 200 t-55 and t-62(M) would be a nice gift from russia if you increase the economic trade with them. Or still go with Serbia and buy some m-84 but they don't produce them anymore.
It's also time to bring back those S-300 that are in Greece and deny airspace to cargo planes.
Yes too less. It was the least quantity that is demanded for such situation against greater Turkish forces but there is option I think for additional units of Nora B-52.
Cyprus also has Serbian rocket artillery. 24 units of m-63 plamen
Greece gave to Cyprus the 12 Zuzana self propelled artillery and the 6 Tor-M1 as compensation for the transfer here of 2 units of s-300.
I think if they are going to buy tanks from Russia, these will be for sure T-80 again. Or we may take some Leo A2-4 and next pass them to Cyprus
EU countries can't sell weapons to Cyprus because of US embargo after 1974. Only France has sold
Cyprus is buying mainly from France and Russia +what we give them. Secretly some times
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Cyprus received new weapons of Serbian production
On October 1, 2019, a military parade was held in the capital of the Republic of Cyprus Nicosia to mark the 59th anniversary of the island's independence. During the parade, the newly-acquired 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzers NORA-B52K1 on a wheeled chassis (8x8) and wheeled armored vehicles BOV M16 Miloš (first acquired in Serbia) were first demonstrated during the parade. (4x4).
The Government of Cyprus acquired a total of 24 NORA-B52K1 self-propelled howitzers on Tatra armored wheeled chassis (8x8) and eight BOV M16 Miloš wheeled armored vehicles. All eight M16 vehicles were delivered to Cyprus in August 2019, and deliveries of self-propelled guns were launched in September. Both of these models of equipment are manufactured by the Borbeni Addition System (BSS) enterprise of the Serbian military-industrial association Kugoimport - SDPR in Velika Plana.
Cyprus became the first foreign customer
of a 14-ton BAP M16 Miloš MRAP armored vehicle with a 4x4 wheel arrangement, first introduced in 2017. To date, small batches of these machines have been delivered to the armed forces and gendarmerie of Serbia. Like the Serbian vehicles obtained by Cyprus, the BOV M16 Miloš is equipped with the developed “Kugoimport-SDPR” remotely controlled M15 combat module with a 12.7-mm machine gun.Cyprus has also become the fourth known foreign recipient of the 155 mm NORA-B family of self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis - after Bangladesh, Myanmar and Kenya. From the 155 mm caliber artillery, the National Guard of Cyprus has 12 Slovak 155 mm / 45 self-propelled howitzers Zuzana 2000 on a wheeled chassis (8x8), 12 old French self-propelled howitzers Mk F3 on a tracked chassis and 12 French towed guns TRF1.
The Republic of Cyprus has been a traditional recipient of Yugoslav and then Serbian weapons since the 1960s.
BOV M16 Miloš
NORA-B52K1
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3796971.html
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Boomerang too small for Koalitsiya? I don't think so (the Boomerang chassis at the bottom):
After posting my message above I independently found that diagram in the other thread where you posted that pdf.... thanks for posting that BTW.
The fact that both the Kurganets and Boomerang will carry the new long range 152mm gun should dispel any suggesting that the Kurganets is just a BMP and wont be fitted with the Armata T-14 tank turret, and that the Boomerang is also too light to carry the T-14 tank turret.
The plan from the beginning was universal chassis with standardised turrets with standardised weapons and sensors and systems... so you develop the tank turret for the Armata and then just use the same turret on Kurganets and Boomerang, and also develop a standard BMP turret (or possibly two...) and then use them on all three vehicle families too... and possibly on Typhoon... the light four and six wheeled family as well.
These vehicles will of course take time, but that truck based Koalition model looks interesting... especially if attached to a better protected truck like the Typhoon or perhaps something with a bit more horse power and more wheels.
That Nora vehicle looks rather interesting though... I would think the best way to counter enemy superiority in tank numbers would be a long range artillery gun firing guided top attack anti armour rounds. Even just 200 upgraded T-62s would be an economic outlay to maintain and keep fully trained on... perhaps buying some Kornets and Metis-M2s could be an alternative... it would certainly be much cheaper.