The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

Vann7 wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:

Werewolf wrote:
Read the pages before you fool.

Then B3. I've read it now you tool. Let's see if it's true or not. It's not like pro-Russian claims are any more valid and no dramatic denial proves, there's something on with that story. Russians neither denying nor confirming anything. So either way, separatists are getting all the stuff they need for a full out war.

Even if is a Russian tank.. and not a toy ,or photoshop.. there is nothing that indicates is a photo in Ukraine.. it could be Belarus or Any place in RUssia.. How do you know the place is Ukraine?  The part that made it very doubtful
was the stupid chechen.. Russia will never give an expensive tank to a mercenary chechen even if they said he was going to help. If Russia was going to supply a T-72BM tank to Ukraine they will have given it to a Veteran soldier of the Russian armed forces. That chechen doesn't look like have the IQ to drive a tank.

And if that wasn't enough is claimed it was "abandoned".  You don't abandon tanks in perfect conditions ,doesn't look like was disabled . If the tank was out of fuel ,they could have easily pulled it from another tank. I don't think Russia will give an expensive tank to a chechen and later leave it abandoned in Ukraine.

it could be real.. but so far looks like staged.. ie.. a fake.

Yes, yes, we all know true slavic genius Nobel Prize winning Russians are needed to drive T-72s. The Russian soul is needed to fuse with the Machine Spirit of this highly advanced and not made-for-retards to drive mass produced vehicle.

There have been plenty of T-64s abandoned by the Ukrainians in the fighting. If you think it is not possible for the separatists to do the same, you are high.

TR1 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:

Werewolf wrote:
Read the pages before you fool.

Then B3. I've read it now you tool. Let's see if it's true or not. It's not like pro-Russian claims are any more valid and no dramatic denial proves, there's something on with that story. Russians neither denying nor confirming anything. So either way, separatists are getting all the stuff they need for a full out war.

Even if is a Russian tank.. and not a toy ,or photoshop.. there is nothing that indicates is a photo in Ukraine.. it could be Belarus or Any place in RUssia.. How do you know the place is Ukraine?  The part that made it very doubtful
was the stupid chechen.. Russia will never give an expensive tank to a mercenary chechen even if they said he was going to help. If Russia was going to supply a T-72BM tank to Ukraine they will have given it to a Veteran soldier of the Russian armed forces. That chechen doesn't look like have the IQ to drive a tank.

And if that wasn't enough is claimed it was "abandoned".  You don't abandon tanks in perfect conditions ,doesn't look like was disabled . If the tank was out of fuel ,they could have easily pulled it from another tank. I don't think Russia will give an expensive tank to a chechen and later leave it abandoned in Ukraine.

it could be real.. but so far looks like staged.. ie.. a fake.

Yes, yes, we all know true slavic genius Nobel Prize winning Russians are needed to drive T-72s. The Russian soul is needed to fuse with the Machine Spirit of this highly advanced and not made-for-retards to drive mass produced vehicle.

There have been plenty of T-64s abandoned by the Ukrainians in the fighting. If you think it is not possible for the separatists to do the same, you are high.

Sometimes i have the feeling everyone on this forum is high.

Werewolf wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:Vann7, say what you want but FACT is it's a Russian made T-72B3 / BM. Now where this was taken etc is a different topic, but this is 100% A Russian modification T-72B3/BM. Can we please close the debate about this obvious FACT already please ?  

Destruction of what is claimed an Ukrainian Sea Guard vessel by supposedly Russian aircraft

It is not 100% clear that is the whole point of the discussion of experts, since it has several contradictions of equipment and the circumstances of the tanks condition.

I don't understand what's so unclear about that picture .... !
It has all the characteristics of the T-72B3. Turret looks exactly like the modification is supposed to be, from top to bottom. The rest is also as perfect as the blueprints suggest it. So how is this not a B3 ? maybe slightly variated, but like 0.1% slightly. They are not 100% sure, but what, 99% ?? are you seriously suggesting there might be a possibility that the Ukrainians quickly put togheter their own perfect B3 mockup just for propaganda purpose .... ?

TheGeorgian wrote:Vann7, say what you want but FACT is it's a Russian made T-72B3 / BM. Now where this was taken etc is a different topic, but this is 100% A Russian modification T-72B3/BM. Can we please close the debate about this obvious FACT already please ?  

Destruction of what is claimed an Ukrainian Sea Guard vessel by supposedly Russian aircraft

No aircraft in the video. Only smoke trails of ATGMs, which fly against other boat, not the one on video. Most probably it was hit by Konkurs ATGM, boat was not very far from the coast and if they hit engine or fuel tank, it will very quickly burn. Boat doesn't have armor.



Novorussian army grow to 30.000 soldiers.

TR1 wrote:

Yes, yes, we all know true slavic genius Nobel Prize winning Russians are needed to drive T-72s. The Russian soul is needed to fuse with the Machine Spirit of this highly advanced and not made-for-retards to drive mass produced vehicle.

If thats true the Russian military couldn't drive those tanks!!

TheGeorgian wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:Vann7, say what you want but FACT is it's a Russian made T-72B3 / BM. Now where this was taken etc is a different topic, but this is 100% A Russian modification T-72B3/BM. Can we please close the debate about this obvious FACT already please ?  

Destruction of what is claimed an Ukrainian Sea Guard vessel by supposedly Russian aircraft

It is not 100% clear that is the whole point of the discussion of experts, since it has several contradictions of equipment and the circumstances of the tanks condition.

I don't understand what's so unclear about that picture .... !
It has all the characteristics of the T-72B3. Turret looks exactly like the modification is supposed to be, from top to bottom. The rest is also as perfect as the blueprints suggest it. So how is this not a B3 ? maybe slightly variated, but like 0.1% slightly. They are not 100% sure, but what, 99% ?? are you seriously suggesting there might be a possibility that the Ukrainians quickly put togheter their own perfect B3 mockup just for propaganda purpose .... ?

You really don't read any sources that are presented unless the head lines say what you want to hear?

Notably crap Russophobe and provocateur Gur Khan, unable to determine the modification of the tank.
The tank of the visible damage only broken gunner's sight (1A40) and torn screens on the sides of the force. "Apparently Andrew did not read my version of the forum VIF2NE, from the publication of the controversial video. Specially remind:
Here are just a communication of what is depicted in the video and the photo is very obvious. No one has proven that it is one and the same tank. It firstly. Second, post a photo, with a high probability done before - during the exercise secondary cooling zone on the territory of Russia. Do not say, but I can guess. But in reality, it does not have anything that would clearly indicate to the Ukraine. It is also interesting that the EXIF image carefully cleaned - for what? In fact, if the tank is captured as solid Ukrainian propaganda - Present this tank! If it is destroyed - will submit at least its fragments!

So anyway, that vid of the coast guard boat being hit..

I can't make heads or tails out of it.

It seems like damning evidence. But why would the Russian AF attack a Ukr Coast Guard ship? That would be an indisputable act of war, and right off the shore of a city as well - it will be something that would be impossible to dismiss with plausible deniability - the rebels don't have an airforce.

At the same time, who attacks ships like that these days, even small ones? I guess it's quite possible if one wanted to economize on anti-ship missiles; but it leaves your aircraft open to small-arms fire and AAA.

But the only alternative - UA attacking its own boats; seems pretty far out too.
Perhaps if this ship was actually abandoned before the strike..

Flyingdutchman wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:

Werewolf wrote:
Read the pages before you fool.

Then B3. I've read it now you tool. Let's see if it's true or not. It's not like pro-Russian claims are any more valid and no dramatic denial proves, there's something on with that story. Russians neither denying nor confirming anything. So either way, separatists are getting all the stuff they need for a full out war.

Even if is a Russian tank.. and not a toy ,or photoshop.. there is nothing that indicates is a photo in Ukraine.. it could be Belarus or Any place in RUssia.. How do you know the place is Ukraine?  The part that made it very doubtful
was the stupid chechen.. Russia will never give an expensive tank to a mercenary chechen even if they said he was going to help. If Russia was going to supply a T-72BM tank to Ukraine they will have given it to a Veteran soldier of the Russian armed forces. That chechen doesn't look like have the IQ to drive a tank.

And if that wasn't enough is claimed it was "abandoned".  You don't abandon tanks in perfect conditions ,doesn't look like was disabled . If the tank was out of fuel ,they could have easily pulled it from another tank. I don't think Russia will give an expensive tank to a chechen and later leave it abandoned in Ukraine.

it could be real.. but so far looks like staged.. ie.. a fake.

Yes, yes, we all know true slavic genius Nobel Prize winning Russians are needed to drive T-72s. The Russian soul is needed to fuse with the Machine Spirit of this highly advanced and not made-for-retards to drive mass produced vehicle.

There have been plenty of T-64s abandoned by the Ukrainians in the fighting. If you think it is not possible for the separatists to do the same, you are high.

Sometimes i have the feeling everyone on this forum is high.

And this - coming from Holland..

medo wrote:
No aircraft in the video. Only smoke trails of ATGMs, which fly against other boat, not the one on video. Most probably it was hit by Konkurs ATGM, boat was not very far from the coast and if they hit engine or fuel tank, it will very quickly burn. Boat doesn't have armor.

Interesting, thanks. Yeah I was kinda surprised this little boat was still floating eventough it got supposedly hit by Russian aircraft as Ukranians suggesting. Actualy judging by the smoke it seems the boat got hit several times by ATGM.

Werewolf wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

TheGeorgian wrote:Vann7, say what you want but FACT is it's a Russian made T-72B3 / BM. Now where this was taken etc is a different topic, but this is 100% A Russian modification T-72B3/BM. Can we please close the debate about this obvious FACT already please ?  

Destruction of what is claimed an Ukrainian Sea Guard vessel by supposedly Russian aircraft

It is not 100% clear that is the whole point of the discussion of experts, since it has several contradictions of equipment and the circumstances of the tanks condition.

I don't understand what's so unclear about that picture .... !
It has all the characteristics of the T-72B3. Turret looks exactly like the modification is supposed to be, from top to bottom. The rest is also as perfect as the blueprints suggest it. So how is this not a B3 ? maybe slightly variated, but like 0.1% slightly. They are not 100% sure, but what, 99% ?? are you seriously suggesting there might be a possibility that the Ukrainians quickly put togheter their own perfect B3 mockup just for propaganda purpose .... ?

You really don't read any sources that are presented unless the head lines say what you want to hear?

Notably crap Russophobe and provocateur Gur Khan, unable to determine the modification of the tank.
The tank of the visible damage only broken gunner's sight (1A40) and torn screens on the sides of the force. "Apparently Andrew did not read my version of the forum VIF2NE, from the publication of the controversial video. Specially remind:
Here are just a communication of what is depicted in the video and the photo is very obvious. No one has proven that it is one and the same tank. It firstly. Second, post a photo, with a high probability done before - during the exercise secondary cooling zone on the territory of Russia. Do not say, but I can guess. But in reality, it does not have anything that would clearly indicate to the Ukraine. It is also interesting that the EXIF image carefully cleaned - for what? In fact, if the tank is captured as solid Ukrainian propaganda - Present this tank! If it is destroyed - will submit at least its fragments!

I've read it and that's why I stated there is only some very very VERY minor variaty on the tank that can be on any tank of the same modification, what has no great or no significance at all on proving any argumentative point, especialy not that's "it's not what it definitly is" ... a B3 with some minor equipment switch. I can't believe we are still arguing about the obvious fact it's a B3 .... The condition of the tank isn't the best too. You can't say it's freshly baked. Could have been manouvers, but a tank that is abandoned doesn't automaticaly have to look like it got knocked out or destroyed. UA abandoned a lot of their stuff completely intact.

Here some information on the B3
http://topwar.ru/32396-modernizirovannyy-tank-t-72b3.html

The CIA was busted in Mariupol.  



A german journalist enter one police station in mariupol.. since all of them were abandoned
by police before the siege . and found an office with American CIA papers.. What a surprise.
It was a CIA office..

@korki : Very interesting. So USA is that who send equipment and other stuff, including people in east Ukraine(let's not forget how one citizen of USA died near Ilovaysk). Typically, they accuse others what they do a and lying media spin propaganda.

And later NATO and the EU complain about Russia intervention but no talk about NATO intervention in Ukraine sending weapons and mercenaries to fuel the conflict.

TheGeorgian wrote:
Here some information on the B3
http://topwar.ru/32396-modernizirovannyy-tank-t-72b3.html

Are you refering to something specific in that link?

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31.08.14 21:28 Ополчение ЛНР взяло под свой контроль аэропорт Луганска.

По данным корреспондентов LifeNews, армии ЛНР удалось взять под свой контроль одну из важнейших точек - луганский аэропорт. Работа воздушной гавани приостановлена с мая из-за активных боевых действий вокруг.

За время военных действий на юго-востоке Украины аэропорт несколько раз переходил от ВС Украины к ополченцам и наоборот. В июне силам самообороны удалось блокировать воздушную гавань, однако ни о каком акивном штурме здания и территории в целом, речи не шло. По разным оценкам на территории аэропорта базировались от 500 до 2000 солдат Нацгвардии с вооружением и бронетехникой.

Корреспонденты LifeNews пытаются выяснить подробности боя за аэропорт. По предварительным данным, разрушения инфраструктуры на его территории более, чем значительны.

I hope this new will be confirmed as true. Novorussian forces liberate Lugansk Airport.

flamming_python wrote:So anyway, that vid of the coast guard boat being hit..

I can't make heads or tails out of it.

It seems like damning evidence. But why would the Russian AF attack a Ukr Coast Guard ship? That would be an indisputable act of war, and right off the shore of a city as well - it will be something that would be impossible to dismiss with plausible deniability - the rebels don't have an airforce.

At the same time, who attacks ships like that these days, even small ones? I guess it's quite possible if one wanted to economize on anti-ship missiles; but it leaves your aircraft open to small-arms fire and AAA.

But the only alternative - UA attacking its own boats; seems pretty far out too.
Perhaps if this ship was actually abandoned before the strike..

seems is rebels SU25 captured some time ago..

I love how all the social media mongers think that random pictures on twitter, facebook, and live journals is some definitive evidence of Russian invasion in to Ukraine, when the OSCE has been monitoring the Russian/Ukrainian border for months and have yet to make a statement implicating Russia for such activity. Who needs actual investigating institutions when you have facebook and twitter, who needs forensics degrees when you can stay a night in Holiday Inn Express:




...BTW the same sanctimonious hypocrites have yet to condemn NATO states for arms trafficking weapons in to Syria, and Obama's case arms trafficking weapons in to Mexico as well!

arpakola wrote:
seems is rebels SU25  captured some time ago..

Highly unlikely, the ATGM's were flying parallel to the water far to low and no trajectory to call it used by Su-25 or any other aircraft. Also those ATGMs were flying rather slow to be aircraft launched. Also if that would be Su-25 he would in 9/10 situations just wreck the crap out of the boat with unguided S-5/S-8 rockets and the video shows that the boat was engaged from the same direction with ATGM's , while one single Su-25 would make strafe, turn 180° and strafe again instead of circling around untill it is again at its first launching position. That is some ATGM team with quite a few ATGMs.

I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

Here we have volunteers from all over the Europe - Germany, Spain, France, Poland, Britain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKswpDBIDs

Those aren't Chechen 'mercenaries', are they?

It get quite late, bet that in 'murica O'Bombers have breakfast now...

True, and the fact that "pro-Ukrainains" often deny this is ridiculous.

- They'd be having lunch.

fragmachine wrote:Here we have volunteers from all over the Europe - Germany, Spain, France, Poland, Britain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKswpDBIDs

Those aren't Chechen 'mercenaries', are they?

It get quite late, bet that in 'murica O'Bombers have breakfast now...

Word on the street was that in the original picture Obama was enchanted and enamored oggling a penis, but a banana was photoshopped their to save face...

Did any of you hear about D. Feinstein and Ukraine? If you haven't, that no-brain &$%# @#$%&*#$ #@$#^ %$@@ of a senator is requesting direct talks with Putin, like he has anything to do with Ukraine...

CNN's map of the situation in S.Ukraine is truely laughable, i mean look at this sh#t

0:14
Wow, they didn't even indicate where Mariupol's located.

Yep, and it has always been that bad... It crazy to believe people can listen to such crap!

AlfaT8 wrote:CNN's map of the situation in S.Ukraine is truely laughable, i mean look at this sh#t

0:14
Wow, they didn't even indicate where Mariupol's located.

On the upside they somehow managed to portray russia and ukraine on the right continent unlike their misserable other attempts with Honkong in Brazil, Pakistan being ukraine. They have foreigners working for them for geographical purposes.... tells you alot about a society and the education.

I hope this new will be confirmed as true. Novorussian forces liberate Lugansk Airport.

It have been reported that..

1)Donetsk Airport captured.. with NATO polish forces inside.. arrested.
2)Lugansk Airport Captured.. also..recently..
3)about 200 new Ukraine soldiers surrendering from pockets..

however at the same time.. as of 5-6 hours ago..some ukraine counter offensive advancing in the south to rescue encircle zones. with some village recaptured..some villages recaptured near mariupol and some progress in the north. with some reinforcements reports..  In short doesn't look like ukraine army is intending to surrender any time
soon..even after catastropic loses.. For the West as long as the war between Ukraine and Russia continues they win.. their goal is a public relations defeat of Russia.. and totally destroy any possibility for Ukrainians and Russians
to be at peace any day. So this is why i believe ,the west was never expecting Ukraine to win in a war with RUssia..
and it was more a Public Relations and Economy sabotage thing than anything. Why people need to expect a major
propaganda war to increase against Russia..but also false flag attacks no worse than Mh17.

and just a little off topic..  China now..world largest importer of oil.. more than USA..  Look at the market and the countries that Russia can replace ,once they build their oil pipeline to China.. at least western Arfrica and middle east.. Russia can totally replace. thats a LOT of Money . Literary in the next decade Russia could totally replace the European market with the Chinese market just selling oil and Gas. and increase its economy much more than ever they had. Another reason why US cannot isolate Russia economy.. they do not control EuroAsia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-24475934


This is the reason why US is not only trying to break Ukraine from Russia.. or totally break it.. (to block the energy business with Europe). But also is trying to disband China with revolutions or at least provoke a war between China and Japan to damage China economy so they buy less from Russia. But seriously The Middle east will be the biggest Loser.. Russia will own the world energy market.. with their 2 new pipelines to China and one to India planned. THink about this..when no longer China and India buy Oil from Saudi Arabia and buy it from Russia instead.. once they build pipelines.. Saudi Arabia will have to slash the Oil price value to the button. perhaps $50..
and that will seriously lower the value of US dollar and major hit to their economy. By stealing Saudi market ,russia can effectively seriously damage US economy. and take revenge for US messing with their Europe energy business. IF you look at things from a global point of view.. and Russia doesn't screw badly ..(with a world war)
then it will be no hard to predict that Russia is poised to become incredibly wealthy , this is without selling a single weapon.. but just selling oil and gas. to Asia.

1)Donetsk Airport captured.. with NATO polish forces inside.. arrested.

There must be couple hundred of them there. surely we will see ideo of the soon:D or not.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

fragmachine wrote:Here we have volunteers from all over the Europe - Germany, Spain, France, Poland, Britain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKswpDBIDs

Those aren't Chechen 'mercenaries', are they?

It get quite late, bet that in 'murica O'Bombers have breakfast now...

Word on the street was that in the original picture Obama was enchanted and enamored oggling a penis, but a banana was photoshopped their to save face...

Homophobic and racist humor.

Good job tards, keep maintaining your reputation.