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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:13 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:The word vaporware comes to mind.

    Nah, I don't think anyone truly believes that the Navy doesn't intend to build to Destroyers, but they need to resolve shipbuilding industry woes first and start to turn out a series of Frigates.  Its pointless to have a nice new shiny 12kT destroyer but have nothing bigger than corvettes available to bulk out a taskforce for it to lead.

    I wouldn't expect any hulls until at least a few years after a new frigate (or heavy frigate 22350M) series is laid down.  11356 don't count as they aren't built to an adequate spec.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:05 pm

    The technical design of the destroyer "Leader" will be ready by 2022

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5411006
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    Post  dino00 on Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:42 pm

    [b]
    Russia plans to build up to six nuclear destroyers "Leader" - media[/b


    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201808031232-i1i3.htm

    A series of destroyers of project 23560 (code "Leader") will not be limited to one ship, the Navy can receive up to 4-6 such destroyers.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:08 am

    George1 wrote:The technical design of the destroyer "Leader" will be ready by 2022
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5411006
    Any guesstimates on how long will it take to build it for sea trials once the decision is made to do so, taking into consideration all the limiting circumstances stacked up against it?
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:49 pm

    Mix of statements on the Lider class at navy recognition. Dedicated to our grumpy Slavic friends Very Happy

    https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/august-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6416-project-plan-for-russia-s-leader-class-destroyer-to-be-ready-by-2022.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:49 am

    The forward top mast is so massive looking relative to the hulls' width (beam), I wonder if it'll make the ship unstable in heavy seas.
    Any idea who may want to import it?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:28 am

    There would not be an enormous amount of weight inside the structure... think of it as the crows nest... except instead of a sailor up there with optics, it will be a large radar array and likely EO systems too.

    The higher it is the further it can see...

    I rather doubt it would be that shape however...
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    Post  kumbor on Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:08 am


    We still know nothing of how the new DDG will look like. Krylow NII has projected very efficient hidrodynamic forms minimising drag.
    I hope that the choice of nuclear powerplant is definite, as VMF needs ship thip that can be at sea indefinitely, while replenishing stores by underway.

    But, there are so many projects going along. Submarines are the priority, as always. littoral forces need new ships, as are minesweeper forces also. So much is needed, and every navy is very sensitive to budgetary cuts! there is no enough money, nor there is sufficient shipbuilding capacities for everything. So, we will wait for long to see new big destroyer on the sea. Every Leader will need more than 5 years to build, if not even ten!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:09 pm

    If US-led NATO breaks up & the EU forms its own mil. bloc, perhaps Russia could order some big surface ships in France!
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    Post  kumbor on Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:07 am


    We all know what has happened with russian "Mistrals". Economic and political sanctions are in power, and i don`t see that they will loosen. Remember the words of Alexander III that Russia has only two real allies - its proper Army and the Navy. The standard russian/soviet tradition is that no important weapon system or crucial part of it should be imported, except for the sake of experimenting and development of their proper. Forget about it. Nevertheless, french vessels are often impressive!
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:46 pm

    France is not a reliable partner... their own actions towards Russia have made it that way.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:07 pm

    Russia would have to be bonkers to order any major ships from another country unless it's to gather information the Russians have to learn to swim even if they sink first.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:42 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Mirage2000B/status/1061150562601787393

    Maket model of lider, the same presented before. You can see S-500 VLS which are compose of 4 tubes for 64 missiles in all. 8 UKSK for 64 missiles.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:58 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Mirage2000B/status/1061150562601787393

    Maket model of lider, the same presented before. You can see S-500 VLS which are compose of 4 tubes for 64 missiles in all. 8 UKSK for 64 missiles.

    This is just some enthusiast's scale model based on anime fanart from Krylov
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Mirage2000B/status/1061150562601787393

    Maket model of lider, the same presented before. You can see S-500 VLS which are compose of 4 tubes for 64 missiles in all. 8 UKSK for 64 missiles.

    This is just some enthusiast's scale model based on anime fanart from Krylov

    Still interesting to see how they see s-500 launchers. The missile shouldn't be bigger than oniks so they coukd use UKSK-M. Maybe it is a proof that this is just fan art like you say.
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    Post  Gibraltar on Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:06 am

    I think this project won't see any light in less than 20 years. Here they're supposimg a very capable surface combatant but after full refit of the last two kirovs there will be no need for such ships for a good time. Going ahead, if modernization of Kalinin and PtG will go as supposed it's not so unlikely they'll rebuild the Frunze instead of starting construction of Lider project that in that times it's likely will be alreasy outdated.

    The point is, they need such ships with 2 active sailing Kirovs and Gorshkovs eventually in fast buiding pace? I think and I think they think the same thing, they need first a modern nuclear carrier than cruisers, soeaking better, they stuffed uksk cells in any ship and submarine with perspective medium+long lifespan, they need other expensive missile sailing platforms? In short period I think not. So I think thus wull be a project with long long gestation kept alive more for design training than fo real realization. It's my personal opinion, happy ti be confuted.


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:38 am

    The Kirov class vessels are Cruisers... what they need are Frigates and Destroyers to replace existing types even though most existing Frigate types could easily be replaced by their new Corvettes which are rather more capable and powerful than previous corvettes.

    Of course they are working on Destroyers:

    http://tass.com/defense/1010343

    And Frigates:

    http://tass.com/defense/1022881

    But they have to make sure the design is right because once they start making them they don't want to have to stop and redesign them...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:11 am

    GarryB wrote:.....
    But they have to make sure the design is right because once they start making them they don't want to have to stop and redesign them...

    Since when?

    Changing their mind and redesigning ships several times during construction and then abandoning the whole project and starting over from scratch with more money wasted it's literally their preferred MO.

    They aren't ordering or building anything​ because they can't.

    Last combat ship that isn't missile boat was laid down several years ago, since then nothing.
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    Post  kumbor on Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:40 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:.....
    But they have to make sure the design is right because once they start making them they don't want to have to stop and redesign them...

    Since when?

    Changing their mind and redesigning ships several times during construction and then abandoning the whole project and starting over from scratch with more money wasted it's literally their preferred MO.

    They aren't ordering or building anything​ because they can't.

    Last combat ship that isn't missile boat was laid down several years ago, since then nothing.

    It is simply not true!
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    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:31 am

    kumbor wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:.....
    But they have to make sure the design is right because once they start making them they don't want to have to stop and redesign them...

    Since when?

    Changing their mind and redesigning ships several times during construction and then abandoning the whole project and starting over from scratch with more money wasted it's literally their preferred MO.

    They aren't ordering or building anything​ because they can't.

    Last combat ship that isn't missile boat was laid down several years ago, since then nothing.

    It is simply not true!

    Yes it is.
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:57 pm

    Interesting pictures:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Mirage2000B/status/1061150562601787393

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:50 pm

    Nice Fanart?.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nice Fanart?.

    Hey, they got the rust right lol1
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:54 pm

    Just a scale model
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    Post  kumbor on Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:17 pm


    As of 1st november 2018, following surface ships are in construction (laid down or launched) for VMF RF. Only ships of 2000 t D or bigger.

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    frigate pr.22350 - 3
    corvette pr.20386 - 1
    corvette pr.20380/5 - 5
    patrol ship pr.22160 - 3


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