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    New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:15 pm

    What's SARMAT-2? The article does not give any information. There is only one SARMAT ICBM that I am aware of at this stage.
    It does not make any sense to go to a second model when the first one has only just completed testing.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:21 pm

    The journalists must have made a mistake. Sarmat is often unofficially called Satan-2.

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    Post  franco Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:14 pm

    NOTE: Would assume this would be the Sarmation and that they will soon be operational.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that a week ago he signed a decree on putting strategic land-based complexes on combat duty.

    “The US and NATO openly say that their goal is to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. And after that, they are going to drive around our defense facilities, including the newest ones, as if nothing had happened. A week ago, I signed a decree on putting new ground-based strategic systems on combat duty. They are going to stick their nose in there too and think that it’s so easy, we will let them in there just like that?” - he said.

    The head of state also announced Russia's unilateral suspension of participation in the START III Treaty, the only nuclear arms reduction treaty linking Russia and the United States.

    He noted that the Ministry of Defense and Rosatom should ensure readiness for testing Russian nuclear weapons. He promised that the Russian Federation would not be the first to do this.

    Recall that the Presidents of Russia and the United States Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden extended the Treaty on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms (START III) in 2021. The agreement was to be valid until February 5, 2026.

    The agreement was signed on April 8, 2010 by the Presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States, Dmitry Medvedev and Barack Obama, and entered into force on February 5, 2011. It replaced the 1991 START Treaty (START) and, upon entry into force, replaced the 2002 Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty (STROT). The agreement can be extended by agreement of the parties, but not more than for five years.

    According to the START III Treaty, the parties reduce the number of their nuclear warheads to 1.5 thousand units, and also limit the number of other weapons, including intercontinental ballistic missiles. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20232211341-kUfhf.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:39 pm

    Or a new Avangard unit?  Suspect

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    Post  franco Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:31 pm

    "A week ago, I signed a decree on putting new ground-based strategic systems on combat duty."

    Who knows for sure however the Avangard system is already on combat duties...

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    Post  rfan Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:20 am

    Did Russia Have a Failed Sarmat Launch Today?

    That is what US media is reporting.  They say the ICBM test launch failed with the 2nd stage exploded.
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    Post  rfan Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:22 am

    https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1628181314254798848?s=20
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:22 am

    The purpose of testing is to find problems and fix them.

    The purpose of western "testing and exercises" is political sabre rattling... which is why failures are so damaging to the west.

    When will the west test a successful hypersonic weapon for example?

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:12 pm

    https://www.osnmedia.ru/world/bloomberg-v-ssha-oprovergli-dannye-ob-ispytanii-rf-mbr-vo-vremya-vizita-bajdena-v-kiev/

    Bloomberg: US denies data on Russian ICBM test during Biden's visit to Kyiv


    February 22, 2023, 12:37 pm - Public News Service - OSN
    According to Bloomberg, the United States denied the information that Russia allegedly tested an intercontinental ballistic missile at a time when US President Joe Biden was in Kiev.

    Earlier, CNN, citing sources, informed that Russia allegedly tested ICBMs during Biden's visit to Ukraine.

    “Russia did not test ICBMs while Biden was in Kyiv,” a US official was quoted by Bloomberg as saying.

    Recall, on February 24, Russian leader Vladimir Putin announced the start of a military special operation in Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, retired General Andrey Gurulev expressed confidence that the suspension of the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty "won't raise any questions." In his opinion, Russia cannot have any agreements with the United States .

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:36 pm

    https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2023/02/22/19809061.shtml

    Peskov responded to reports of the unsuccessful launch of the Sarmat rocket


    Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov answered a journalist's question at a briefing about publications in foreign media related to the launch of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

    In particular, the American television channel CNN reported, citing unnamed “ US officials ”, that Russia allegedly conducted unsuccessful tests of the Sarmat this week. The authors of the material stated that if the tests had been carried out successfully, Russian President Vladimir Putin would have mentioned them in his message to the Federal Assembly , which he announced on February 21. According to media reports, Moscow has notified Washington of plans to conduct such a test.

    Initially, CNN indicated that this launch was carried out when US President Joe Biden was visiting Kiev , namely on February 20. However, channel sources specified that the missile was tested on February 21.

    Peskov said that he could not answer this question, pointing out that "this is still the prerogative of the Ministry of Defense."

    In November last year, Commander Sergei Karakayev of the Strategic Missile Forces reported on the successful testing of the Sarmat missile system.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:00 pm

    There was a NOTAM so it's possible something was being tested. If it was a Sarmat failure, very bad. Sarmat is to replace the old R-36M2, which has almost 500 strategic warheads. Sarmat's failure to see again cancels his entry into service. Over the course of several years, Russia tested the Sarmat only once. They were very sure about this missile. So that it doesn't end up like a Bulava epic. Of course, they will fix the faults for sure, but it will take years again. Garry or someone else wrote that Russia has such experience in the construction of liquid fuel ICBMs that they do not need much testing. They probably need it though. They have already announced that the Sarmat will enter service this year and this turned out to be total nonsense if the missile failed during the test.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:47 am

    Russia does not need this missile. Yars provides all the ground based strategic deterrent Russia could ever need. It is the most modern ground based missile system in service in the world. Period.

    Yars' counter is the US Minuteman III. A shitty 1970s missile design.

    Sarmat with the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle is insurance against defensive systems the US does not even have in service. In case they ever get into service. Avangard is already in service with the UR-100N missile but that is a suboptimal solution.

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:23 pm

    https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/index.php?topic=7387.12560

    Reading this thread through machine translation this is what I conclude:
    1. The Sarmat 2nd test launch was conducted on Saturday 18th February.
    2. The 2nd stage of the missle failed, 1st stage worked properly.
    3. Already the 3rd test missile has left the Krasmash factory in Krasnoyarsk, so 3rd test flight should be within a couple of months.
    4. 3rd test to be performed from Uzhur instead of Plesetsk?
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    Post  Arrow Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:18 am

    lancelot lancelot Posts : 1677 Points : 1679 Join date : 2020-10-17 Post n°513 New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian - Page 21 Empty Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian Post lancelot Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:47 am Russia does not need this missile. Yars provides all the ground based strategic deterrent Russia could ever need. It is the most modern ground based missile system in service in the world. Period. Yars' counter is the US Minuteman III. A shitty 1970s missile design. Sarmat with the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle is insurance against defensive systems the US does not even have in service. In case they ever get into service. Avangard is already in service with the UR-100N missile but that is a suboptimal solution. wrote:

    No Sarmat is to replace the R36M2, which carries HALF of the Russian warheads in the land strategic forces. Sarmat is to carry 10 heavy warheads. They would need another 200 Yars to replace the nearly 500 warheads. The Sarmat can carry heavy HGV etc. It's a much better missile than the Yars which is a Topol M with MIRV warheads. After the last failed start, Russia will face another year of Sarmat testing, unfortunately.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:18 am

    Arrow, you have obviously never developed anything before.

    A failure during tests is not a bad thing... the purpose of a test is to find faults and to confirm expected results... the irony is that actually a fault is better than not meeting expected results.

    A fault might be as simple as a chip or a crack or a minor faulty component that didn't do its job when it was supposed to... the solution might just be check all those parts before they are installed for cracks or chips, It should not need a redesign either in shape or materials or structure, because your design model and design process was right, it was a faulty part that was the problem.

    If there are no faults or errors but your design does not meet the expected specs then the problem is rather more fundamental... your design processes are wrong, your modelling of materials or the medium the objects operates in is wrong, which is a much bigger problem and could take years to fix.

    Even mature modern solid designs can fail because a faulty part snuck through the building process... incorrect assembly can happen.

    NASA fucked up a rocket design because the plans to build the rocket that were sent to the engineers to build it got mixed with the descriptions sent to the marketing department so the dimensions were partly in metric (which the engineers want) and partly in Imperial measures (which the public understands in the US) and the missile blew up.

    Not the end of the world... the design was ok, it was just that it was assembled with faulty plans and manuals.

    PD bitches and moans about that Russian that installed something upside down which caused a crash a while back, but these people have very specific instructions and if the instructions are misleading or actually wrong they will drill new holes to install stuff where it is supposed to go and assume the guy making the holes for the fasteners made the mistake.

    What they should have done was stopped work and told their supervisor that the holes are in the wrong place and to work out if their instructions are up to date or if they are old plans and new plans have changed things, but I suspect they were in a hurry to get the thing ready for launch and just assumed the other guys made a fuckup.

    The places that make military equipment are just factories... there is nothing magic or special about them... the designers don't go down to the factory floor and make sure everything is assembled to their specification...

    The people who check everything make sure it matches the instructions given... they wont have memorised every part of the rocket and realise this or that is the wrong size or is upside down.

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:29 am

    This "failure" is the usual social media BS. The Sarmat testing program is over. This was not a Sarmat test whatever it was.
    The "failure" is a tendentious interpretation since the purpose of this test is unknown.

    Note how the routine failures of the US hypersonic missile were systematically fobbed off as small technical glitches such as
    failure to separate from the wing of the carrier aircraft. Never once was any doubt raised about the viability of the design.
    But some unknown test with unknown failure details is being trumpeted up and down as proof that the Sarmat needs to go
    back to the drawing board. GTFO.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:22 pm

    June 21, 13:46
    Putin: Sarmat launchers with a new missile will soon take up combat duty

    MOSCOW, 21 June. /TASS/. New launchers "Sarmat" will soon take up combat duty, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced at a meeting with graduates of military universities.

    "In the near future, the first launchers of the Sarmat complex with a new heavy missile will go on combat duty," Putin said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18079231

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:00 pm

    The combat crew of the strategic missile complex "Sarmat" has taken up combat duty, said Yuri Borisov
    https://ria.ru/20230901/sarmat-1893638190.html

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    Post  Arrow Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:14 pm

    Interesting, because the missile has only passed one test.

    Perhaps there was some ICBM test yesterday. Maybe it was a Sarmat.

    https://t.me/pececc/21934

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:43 am

    Arrow wrote:Interesting, because the missile has only passed one test.

    ...and one failed launch.
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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:44 am

    Arrow wrote:
    Perhaps there was some ICBM test yesterday. Maybe it was a Sarmat.

    https://t.me/pececc/21934

    One of the comment on this post:

    Nice, but:
    - Direction northwest (sun)
    - And that’s why it’s not to Kamchatka
    - And therefore, not Sarmat, but a space launch vehicle
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    Post  Arrow Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:24 am

    "To be honest, we were very surprised by the statement of Comrade Borisov about the fact that the combat missile system (BRK) of the Strategic Missile Forces with the 15A28 "Sarmat" ICBM "stands on combat duty."

    If you don’t stoop to ernitic comments, like the most patriotic “patriotic” channels, and tell mayses about “one successful launch and several unsuccessful ones that were not reported,” then it makes sense to translate Comrade Borisov’s statement into normal language. So we will try.

    Of course, it is impossible to even carry out experimental combat duty (OBD), by a complex that has not even passed the stage of LKI, that is, flight design tests, not to mention state ones, yet. And the 15A28 has only a fully completed series of throw launches (in which they not only spit with a mock-up rocket from a silo, but also the first stage is turned on, albeit with a minimum of fuel), one completely successful full-fledged launch. And, presumably, one unsuccessful. And everything. Well, it’s clear that the 15A28 combat equipment in the form of unguided (BB) and guided warheads (UBB) and gliding winged units (PKB) and a complex of means of overcoming (KSP) missile defense - have either already been tested or are being tested on Topol-E special carriers / "Topol-ME" from Kapustin Yar to Sary-Shagan. For example, PKB 15Yu71 "Avangard" - it was also put into service as part of the DBK with 15A35-71 ICBMs, but it is clear that it will also be launched from a new missile sometime. That is, the Sarmat complex cannot stand on a database or even UBD. Not yet.

    And what did Borisov say? Most likely, this is what we are talking about. The first of the missile regiments (rp) being converted for 15A28, in the 62nd RD in Uzhur, apparently completed the conversion in the minimum configuration and is ready to receive the Products. Previously, the regiment had 15A18M "Voevoda" ICBMs, and a lot needs to be changed there, including the UKP in its "pit", that is, the regiment's protected command post in the mine. The minimum configuration for operation in RP with silos is 1 UKP and 2 mine launchers (silos). The regiment has from 6 to 10 silos. At first, any regiment is deployed in this way, imperfections and jambs are caught - and delivered to a complete set. This is not only the case with the first, leading, regiments, it is always the case.

    To bring the DBK with 15A28 ICBMs to perfection, it is necessary, at the very least if, including launching to the maximum range, it will be very interesting to observe for a global-range missile - 4-5 launches for LCI more, and launch 3 as part of state tests.
    It was reported that most of the LKI and state tests would be carried out precisely from the launcher in the regiment, and not from the training ground, and even for this they prepared another test Southern route, in addition to the Southern "KapYar-Sary-Shagan". Why this is necessary is due to the features and capabilities of the new rocket. The details are not known to us.

    That's about the readiness of the two silos and the UKP and dragged Borisov reported, only he spoke strongly through tukhes😂 in Aesopian language. And the 15A28s themselves are unlikely to be standing there in those two mines and the crew does not sit in the "pit" and does not dictate its inflexible will to the whole bunch of stupid fucking faggots to the world community. For this, we have enough other missiles.

    Western samurai from "Sarmat" will still have time to outline their hakama from the inside with calligraphic brown strokes ... The complex will serve for a long time and change and develop for a long time. For example, not all payload options will appear immediately, and there will be a lot of upgrades over dozens of years of service."

    https://t.me/pozivnoy_kazman/4953


    It's just guesswork. There is no official announcement.
    ...and one failed launch. wrote:

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    Post  Arrow Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:57 am



    Given the pace of testing, it is very doubtful that the Sarmat will enter service in 2024. If it enters at the end of the decade, it will be fine. Only one flight test has been conducted so far.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:36 pm

    Hole wrote:New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian - Page 21 Mozyr-10
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    Looks grim

    Very good defensive system.
    I see that they give an example of a bomb.
    Would they expect bomber attacks?

    Cool

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