MiG-29K: News and info

GarryB wrote:I rather think a mix of both weapons would be useful depending upon the target.

An alert capable target might be better engaged with the high speed Kh-31, but a target that is unaware or not well protected then the Kh-35 offers a larger warhead... from memory the Kh-31 has a 90kg HE Incendiary warhead while the Kh-35 has a 145kg HE incendiary warhead.

note the most dangerous thing on a ship is fire so incendiary warheads tend to be more lethal than simple HE warheads.

Wich one of them has better range?

http://nguyenphutrong.net/trung-quoc-lo-ngai-ten-lua-sat-thu-cua-viet-nam.html

Cục thiết kế Zvezda đã phát triển thêm các biển thể mới của Kh-31A như: Kh-31AD (kích thước lớn hơn, lắp radar chủ động cải tiến ARGS-31E, tầm bắn tăng lên 100km); Kh-31AM (nâng cấp hệ thống điện tử để chống lại biện pháp đối phó của đối phương, cải tiến động cơ để tăng tầm bắn nhưng không tăng trọng lượng).

Zvezda Design Bureau has developed a new variant of the Kh-31A as: Kh-31AD (larger size, improved active radar installation ARGS-31E, increasing the range to 100 km); Kh-31AM (avionics upgrade for countermeasures against the enemy, engine improvements to increase range but did not increase the weight).

Vietnamese source claim, that Kh-31AD have increased range to 100 km, but this could still be export missile. Difficult to say, but domestic Kh-31AM could have similar range as basic Kh-35 missile (~130 km). Maybe little less. Point is, that Kh-31AM fly at max speed 3600 km/h (Mach 3), while Kh-35 is subsonic (Mach 0,8 ) and is more vulnerable to ship's missile defense and CIWS.

As TR1 said: the kh-35 has a range of Up to 260 km.


But i dont know Much About the missiles ( GarryB does ) i just love the aircraft

I imagine Kh-35 has a better sea skimming profile however, so that counts for something.

Regarding published specs:
Kh-31A: 70km range, 94kg warhead, 610kg weight
Kh-31AD: 160km range, 110 kg warhead, 715kg weight

Kh-35E: 130km range, 145kg warhead, weight up to 610kg
Kh-35UE: 260km range, 145 kg warhead, weight up to 670kg

Kh-35UE Seems the best missile to me! ( but then you've got its slow speed :/ )
Will the russian navy use Brahmos mini in the future for their Migs?

Probably not, they like to go all domestic. Not to mention they can probably make something better if they really want it.

Too soon to tell however. Also it should be noted RuNavy has no stock of R-77s, and has not bought RVV-SD yet....

TR1 wrote:Probably not, they like to go all domestic. Not to mention they can probably make something better if they really want it.

Too soon to tell however. Also it should be noted RuNavy has no stock of R-77s, and has not bought RVV-SD yet....

But didn't Russian navy mig-29k's train with r-77 missiles onboard the Vikramaditya?

Flyingdutchman wrote:Kh-35UE Seems the best missile to me!
Will the russian navy use Brahmos mini in the future for their Migs?

Most likely not due to the idiotic MTCR treaty which Russia is stupidly apart of, so Brahmos missile's full potential is greatly handicapped as it's range is greatly limited to meet MTCR guidelines and does not meet RuNavy requirements in range...however in all likeliness most of the testing India is conducting on Brahmos and the technological advancements can be applied to Onyx, meaning future iterations of Onyx will likely have increased precision/accuracy and possible land attack capability (all though it will have to take a back seat to Kalibr missiles for the land attack role) so it could potentially evolve in to Brahmos but with much greater range.

I would say Kh-31AD with 160 km range is better option than Kh-35 for MiG-29K. Range is still long enough to launch missiles out from the range of SAMs on ships, even like SAMP/T. But to attack destroyers or cruisers equipped with latest models of Standard missiles, it is better to use bigger Flankers like Su-30SM or Su-33 with bigger air launched Club missiles with 600+ km range.

medo wrote:I would say Kh-31AD with 160 km range is better option than Kh-35 for MiG-29K. Range is still long enough to launch missiles out from the range of SAMs on ships, even like SAMP/T. But to attack destroyers or cruisers equipped with latest models of Standard missiles, it is better to use bigger Flankers like Su-30SM or Su-33 with bigger air launched Club missiles with 600+ km range.

If your going to attack destroyers and cruisers you might as well go with the big guns, like a Tu-22m3 loaded with 3 Kh-32 air-launched ballistic missiles!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

medo wrote:I would say Kh-31AD with 160 km range is better option than Kh-35 for MiG-29K. Range is still long enough to launch missiles out from the range of SAMs on ships, even like SAMP/T. But to attack destroyers or cruisers equipped with latest models of Standard missiles, it is better to use bigger Flankers like Su-30SM or Su-33 with bigger air launched Club missiles with 600+ km range.

If your going to attack destroyers and cruisers you might as well go with the big guns, like a Tu-22m3 loaded with 3 Kh-32 air-launched ballistic missiles!

  

KH-35E

http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/512/372/

Ship and land based have up to 130km,

Aircraft and Heliborne are in figures of 40km (Heliborne) and around 100-120km for aircraft.

Same goes for KH-35UE, the heliborne are not as far reaching with about 70-80km.

GarryB wrote:



they will likely have already bought some for tests with the MiG-29K2.

Also their su-30Ms.

What missile are you Talking About? 

Because the mig-29k2s have already flown with r-77 or do you mean that other missile?

How many MiG-29K will be stationed on Kuznetsov carrier? Will they also keep some Su-33 on carrier for bigger missiles like Club? MiG-29K is good multirole fighter, but for fleet defense some Su-33 could be still usefull.

medo wrote:How many MiG-29K will be stationed on Kuznetsov carrier? Will they also keep some Su-33 on carrier for bigger missiles like Club? MiG-29K is good multirole fighter, but for fleet defense some Su-33 could be still usefull.

No, SU-33s will return to land bases, i dont know how many Migs will be stationed on a cruise.
I think they won't station all 24 mig-29s on the K, probably just a squadron ( 12 ) ( ten single-seat and two tandem seat ) .

Altough the Russian navy has some older Mig-29ks so maybe they will station them all    

The Russian navy has zero old MiG-29Ks.

The only prototypes are owned by MiG.

What is the current status of those delivered MiG-29Ks...have they had any deck landing and takeoffs...?

How many more to be delivered by end-2015?

Dima wrote:What is the current status of those delivered MiG-29Ks...have they had any deck landing and takeoffs...?

How many more to be delivered by end-2015?

MiG-29K/KUB deliveries are 4 in 2013, 10 in 2014 and 10 in 2015, so at the end of 2015, Ru Navy will have all 24 MiGs from contract. There are rumors, they will order more MiG-29K/KUB planes.

medo wrote:

Dima wrote:What is the current status of those delivered MiG-29Ks...have they had any deck landing and takeoffs...?

How many more to be delivered by end-2015?

MiG-29K/KUB deliveries are 4 in 2013, 10 in 2014 and 10 in 2015, so at the end of 2015, Ru Navy will have all 24 MiGs from contract. There are rumors, they will order more MiG-29K/KUB planes.

If they order more i think it is sure that the K will carry atleast 24 migs on a deployment, as they are going to enlarge the hangar of the K aswell!!

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Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.


Lineup of 36 aircraft on China's Liaoning carrier revealed

Staff Reporter
2014-08-28
15:23 (GMT+

Liaoning, can carry four Z-18J airborne early warning (AEW) helicopters, six Z-18F anti-submarine helicopters, two Z-9C rescue helicopters, and 24 J-15 shipborne fighter jets, the Chinese-language Shanghai Morning Post reported on Aug. 28.

Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.

On the tail of the Z-18F helicopter is the image of a sea eagle sprawling its talons, which suggests that the aircraft's mission is to seek out and attack enemy submarines, according to the paper. Cao said it is common practice to mark aircraft with physically tough and fierce animals to "show the spirit of bravery of the pilot and the craft itself."

The helicopter has a shipborne sea search radar that enables 360-degree detection and is equipped with dipping sonar and the report speculated that it can carry 32 sonobuoys.

China is faced with a grave threat from the US, which owns the most advanced nuclear submarines, as well as Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force, the report said. Countries operating in the South China Sea, particularly those engaged in territorial disputes with China, have also been strengthening their naval forces, putting pressure on China, said the report.

The Z-9C helicopter's ZLC-1 radar can detect up to a range of 150 meters, while the Z-18F helicopter is equipped with four 7K anti-submarine torpedoes and four YJ-91 missiles.

"In offshore combat, we are mainly faced with challenges to defensive military operations," said Cao. "We need to power up anti-submarine capability to prevent offshore detection from potential opponents and to prevent a mine blockade."

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24 j-15s

Russia couldn't fit 24 su-33s in the k.
But if it is true they maybe enlarged the hangar bay?
If they didn't, 24 migs would be no problem on the K!

As I know Kuznetsov carrier was designed to carry 40 to 50 planes and helicopters. I think there is no problem to carry 24 MiG-29K/KUB planes on Kuznetsov. If there will be a problem with space, they could take less helicopters. After all, Kuznetsov usually take 12 to 13 Su-33 and 2 Su-25UTG planes and 17 Ka-27 helicopters, what is 32 planes and helicopters and I think Russian navy didn't use all carrier capabilities and use half of Su-33 fleet for rotation for less carrier operation hours and to less expose to sea salt.

China will have 24 J-15 fighters and 12 helicopters, this is 36 planes and helicopters together. I think Indian Vikramaditya have similar number of planes and helicopters.

Don't know if it is his entire hangar.

Lot of su-33s.