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    Russia and other developments in Hypersonic Research

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    Post  Hole Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:16 pm

    https://southfront.org/russia-developing-new-x-95-air-launched-long-range-hypersonic-missile/

    Title speeks for itself. Very Happy

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    Post  dino00 Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:31 pm

    So with KH-95 Russia has 4 known hypersonic cruise missiles:

    Zirkon surface and Submarine launched

    Gremlin for the weapons bays of SU-57, and for SU-30, SU-35, LTS, S-70.

    "Sharpeners" for the weapons bays of TU-22M3M, SU-34 (TU-95?)

    Kh-95 for the weapons bays of PAK-DA and TU-160M2 and can be also used in the external pylons of the TU-22M3M

    Kh-95 should be more than 10 meters

    Gremlin 4.2 Mt

    Sharpeners ~6mt

    My 2 cents
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:31 am

    If accurate expect tantrums from the US because they will claim they were promised that no long range missiles would be carried by the Backfire... but then it is about time the Russians stopped being so accommodating... full IFR probe and lots of missiles I say...

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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:06 am

    is this the evolution of the soviet project Kh-90 missile?
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    Post  Arrow Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:30 pm

    Russia arrests top hypersonic research scientist in treason.

    MOSCOW, Aug 12 (Reuters) - A Russian court on Thursday ordered a 73-year-old leading specialist in hypersonic technology to be held in custody for two months on suspicion of state treason, the latest in a series of such cases. Security officers arrested the suspect, Alexander Kuranov, general director of the St Petersburg-based Hypersonic Systems Research Facility, in Moscow, state news agency TASS cited a law enforcement source as saying. Kuranov oversaw work on the concept for a new hypersonic aircraft dubbed Ayaks that dates back to the Soviet era, according to his facility's website. Hypersonic technology allows objects to travel much faster than the speed of sound. Russia, whose ties with the West have deteriorated to post-Cold War lows since 2014, has been developing a number of hypersonic weapons in recent years that President Vladimir Putin has touted as unparalleled and lavished praise on. The detainee is suspected of passing secret information to a foreign citizen about hypersonic technology research that he had worked on for a long time, Interfax news agency cited an unnamed source as saying. Treason and espionage cases are usually held behind closed doors in Russia and case details seldom come to light because of their classified nature. The court released footage of the detainee being led to the hearing in a tracksuit and hoodie pulled low over his face. He wore a face mask and his face could barely be seen. A lawyer for Kuranov could not immediately be reached for comment. State treason is punishable by up to 20 years in jail. That sentence was handed down to an aviation lecturer from Moscow in April after he was found guilty of illegally exporting technology or technical information. read more A number of Russian scientists, soldiers and officials have been charged with treason in recent years after being accused of passing sensitive material to foreign countries. Critics of the Kremlin say the charges are often unfounded and cannot be scrutinised because they are classified. wrote:

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    Post  dino00 Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:12 pm

    One issue with boost-glide systems is that as they descend, they lose velocity as they encounter atmospheric drag. White said there are concepts that combine the two approaches.

    There’s this prospect of blending it. There are concepts where you have very large hypersonic boost-glide systems that have a scramjet so you want to try to minimize that reduction in velocity, and get very, very long ranges,” he said.


    Mike White, principal director for hypersonics in the office of the undersecretary of defense for research and engineering

    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2021/7/23/air-launched-missiles-slated-as-first-us-hypersonic-weapons


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    Post  Arrow Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:43 pm

    The US will not quickly deploy any hypersonic missile. Laughing
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:38 pm

    Arrow wrote:Russia arrests top hypersonic research scientist in treason.


    This is actually kinda funny.
    All Murica can achieve, is bribing a guy who is in retirement age, and hardly believe has any clue about modern Russian tech.
    He is out of the line for 5+ years, and let's be realistic, nobody grants any serious projects on hand of someone who will retire any moment.
    He might remember some work done in 80s. 40 years ago Shocked
    Still, the knowledge of a grandpa reached is SU times, is still in the interest of mighty Murica Laughing
    Would be tragic, if not so funny Laughing Laughing

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    Post  dino00 Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:14 pm

    According to Izvestia's sources in the military department and the defense industry, OAO NIPGS had nothing to do with the creation of hypersonic combat systems. His work was indirectly related to the combat hypersound program.

    https://iz.ru/1206477/anastasiia-petrova-aleksei-ramm-anna-cherepanova/novoe-giperzvuchanie-s-chem-sviazano-ocherednoe-ugolovnoe-delo-o-gosizmene

    About the alleged traitor

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:12 am

    Arrow wrote:The US will not quickly deploy any hypersonic missile. Laughing

    FIFY... Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:37 am

    dino00 wrote:According to Izvestia's sources in the military department and the defense industry, OAO NIPGS had nothing to do with the creation of hypersonic combat systems. His work was indirectly related to the combat hypersound program.

    https://iz.ru/1206477/anastasiia-petrova-aleksei-ramm-anna-cherepanova/novoe-giperzvuchanie-s-chem-sviazano-ocherednoe-ugolovnoe-delo-o-gosizmene

    About the alleged traitor

    What does that even mean? Is this some kind of third party company subcontracted for creation of comm systems?
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    Post  zepia Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:58 am

    The institution own page said Mr.Kuranov is the CEO. So I think he gotta has something meaningful to offer.
    http://en.hypersonics.ru/hypersonic-systems-research-institute

    IMO the NIPGS institution may not directly involve in hypersonic weapon development as izvestia.ru has reported.
    However, their research may useful to the development of such things.

    May be what he sold is a dead end for buyer, or may be it will initiate "Ufimtsev effect" on western hypersonic development. Who knows. dunno
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    Post  Mindstorm Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:24 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    dino00 wrote:According to Izvestia's sources in the military department and the defense industry, OAO NIPGS had nothing to do with the creation of hypersonic combat systems. His work was indirectly related to the combat hypersound program.

    https://iz.ru/1206477/anastasiia-petrova-aleksei-ramm-anna-cherepanova/novoe-giperzvuchanie-s-chem-sviazano-ocherednoe-ugolovnoe-delo-o-gosizmene

    About the alleged traitor

    What does that even mean? Is this some kind of third party company subcontracted for creation of comm systems?


    Situation is a bit different and probably worse than what revealed.

    It is obviously good that those events are stoped in the initial stages of theirs development ,but none can assure that very sensible technical informations were not passed to over ocean collagues aiding them in overcome the huge technological gap they are trapped in.

    The analysis of the arrests for treason of several high level scientists (Анатолий Губанов in December 2020 and Валерий Голубкин in April 2021) in the last year and theirs area of expertise provide a clear hint of the very precise aim of foreign services.


    ОАО «НИПГС» is anything except a scientific research company versed in comm link.....a quick look of theirs pasted program can provide an hint of what mean "indirectly related" to the combat hypersound program

    http://www.hypersonics.ru/

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:20 pm

    Since Russia is no longer bound by foreign laws after 2020, it should return the death penalty for treason.

    If these worms want to sell out to NATzO for a few silvers they should risk their hides.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:15 pm

    I still can't make heads over tails of what this company does. So they did research work for hypersonic engines?

    It's funny how there isn't anyone here giving a direct answer either which indicates no one knows what they do.

    But the guy must have some info, enough to get him arrested. Now I wonder what he passed on and if it was that important or not. As I'm aware, rostec was the one handling hypersonic tech in Russia that's been the most revealed. Now is this company part of rostec?
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    Post  RTN Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:16 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:Situation is a bit different and probably worse than what revealed.

    It is obviously good that those events are stoped in the initial stages of theirs development ,but none can assure that very sensible technical informations were not passed to over ocean collagues aiding them in overcome the huge technological gap they are trapped in.
    Not just western governments but China could well be behind this latest case of espionage.

    Last year China did try to steal military secrets from the Russian Academy of Science.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:25 pm

    Russia will increase the speed and range of hypersonic missiles, said Shoigu, 29/08/2021.
    Shoigu: Russia is working to increase the range and accuracy of its hypersonic missiles.

    PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, August 29 - RIA Novosti. Russia is working to increase the speed, range and accuracy of its hypersonic missiles, said Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    "We have an increase in the range of hypersonic weapons in the future. This is an increase in speeds, if we talk about the same hypersound, this is an increase in accuracy, this, of course, is the adaptation of carriers to new types of weapons," Shoigu said in an interview for the YouTube channel "Soloviev Live " , the footage of which was shown on the air of the TV channel" Russia 1 "and on the platform " LOOK".

    Clarifying about the adaptation of missiles to different carriers, the minister said that it is necessary to create one launcher of hypersonic missiles for the entire line of technology. "This work is underway, and today we already have not something to show, we have something to protect the country with," he added.

    The minister recalled that the Russian Armed Forces already have hypersonic Kinzhal missiles on alert, which are installed on MiG-31K fighters , and the Avangard strategic missile systems with a hypersonic gliding unit are on alert.

    https://ria.ru/20210829/rakety-1747739212.html?rcmd_alg=slotter

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:33 am

    Russia seems particularly ahead of the game as far as scramjet tech goes as well as using the ionized cloud to hide the craft as well as use the same sheath to somehow recieve and transmit data. Also way ahead concerning hypersonic glide bodies. Both the western world and China want this data. There is so little out there concerning this stuff especially how communication is kept at deep hypersonic speed.

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    Post  dino00 Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:34 pm

    "In our business, stopping is tantamount to losing."

    When our partners and adversaries can create something like the Zircon, the Tactical Missiles Corporation, one of the creators of this hypersonic missile, will go far ahead.

    This means that by 2024-2025, when competitors achieve certain results in their developments, Russia will take a few more steps forward. In any case, we are not going to stop there. In the production of weapons, as in any other serious production, there is only one law - if it stopped, it means lost.

    https://zvezdaweekly.ru/news/202110211417-llQ02.html

    Interview with KTRV general director from 27 October

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    Post  Kiko Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:28 pm

    Russia Will Soon Have New Hypersonic Missile With Maximum Speed of Mach 9, Putin Says, 30/11/2021.

    Earlier in November, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that tests of the Zircon hypersonic missiles are almost completed.

    Vladimir Putin said that the hypersonic weapon with maximum speed of Mach 9 will appear in Russia in the near future.

    https://sputniknews.com/20211130/russia-will-soon-have-new-hypersonic-missile-with-maximum-speed-of-mach-9-putin-says-1091142427.html
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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:59 pm

    Nothing new.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:10 am

    Just keeping us up to date.

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    Post  mike3121 Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:10 pm

    The world was astounded by a Russian successful launch of hyper-sonic missiles. It was a true breakthrough that should have frightened the West, the US in particular. All the Pentagon did was yawn and stated they'd earmark 1 billion (spare change in the defense industry) for research. Why? You'd think it would be a sputnik moment for the US and created a full-on drive to catch up.

    The Pentagon showed no interest in Russia breakthrough hyper-sonic missile. Mainly because they'd already developed anti-gravity aircraft capable of astounding speeds of 30,000 to 40,000 mph. Capable of sudden right angle turns or instant full stops. Can you imagine if a missile were weightless upon launch? Time-to-target would be measured in mere seconds. When launched it would seem as if the missile vanished because it took off so fast – there would be nothing to see.

    I ran across a video of a UFO type object flying around Hong Kong buildings. It was not aerodynamic but round with small rockets on the sides. It flew to the top of a building then, with tremendous speed, went straight up.

    Next, I came across a video (see link) of a UFO type object flying over a Denver suburb. It was the same type of UFO as seen in the Hong Kong video with the rockets on the sides to propel it. The media crew were lucky and were filming background videos and caught the craft by accident. It moved so fast it was barely visible. Evidently this same Chinese inventor had emigrated to the US and was flying his prototype craft on his lunch hour. There was even a video of it landing among the suburban homes. A Chinese Engineer from Hong Kong was the inventor.
    No doubt the FBI soon paid this inventor a visit.

    UFO CAUGHT BY FOX 31 IN DENVER/ CREWS CAMERA REAL UFO! - YouTube

    UFO Over Denver 2012

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 pm

    US cannot build a miniaturized supersonic rocket.

    They are lagging behind and have subsonic missiles only.

    Their ARRW missile cannot detach from B52, and their Dark Eagle missile is an Sm3 with glider on top.

    They are at least 10 to 15 years from fielding the first fully powered scramjet missile

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:37 am

    The world was astounded by a Russian successful launch of hyper-sonic missiles. It was a true breakthrough that should have frightened the West, the US in particular. All the Pentagon did was yawn and stated they'd earmark 1 billion (spare change in the defense industry) for research. Why? You'd think it would be a sputnik moment for the US and created a full-on drive to catch up.

    If they recognise the breakthrough then they might get a few questions like... if we are spending 10 times more every single year on "defence" shouldn't we be ahead of everyone in absolutely everything?

    And if not why not...

    Publicly they will play it down, but privately they will be talking about the use of nuclear weapons until they get an equivalent capability.

    The Pentagon showed no interest in Russia breakthrough hyper-sonic missile. Mainly because they'd already developed anti-gravity aircraft capable of astounding speeds of 30,000 to 40,000 mph. Capable of sudden right angle turns or instant full stops. Can you imagine if a missile were weightless upon launch? Time-to-target would be measured in mere seconds. When launched it would seem as if the missile vanished because it took off so fast – there would be nothing to see.

    If the US had anti gravity technology then they would have shown a hypersonic missile of their own... when something does not weigh anything then any force can move it because all you are countering is drag. When you are in orbit you can push things around that are enormous weights, because you don't have to counter the effects of gravity holding it in place. Even a small force constantly applied can achieve enormous speeds because the only barrier to overcome is drag, so climb to an altitude where drag is no issue and then accelerate to enormous speeds.

    The problem is that I will be perfecting scramjet propulsion technology before any human works out the problems of countering gravity in any meaningful way.

    I remember in the 1990s when we were learning about the S-300P and S-300V and people in the west were saying it is OK because the US has secret programmes like the Mach 6 Auroura to replace the SR-71.

    Made them feel better I guess, but just led to a lack of urgency that sees them today even further behind still with just Patriot and THAAD while the Russians are introducing S-500 and S-550 and with S-400 in widespread service and new S-350 and other systems entering service in numbers.

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