Russia and other developments in Hypersonic Research

GarryB wrote:If the US had anti gravity technology then they would have shown a hypersonic missile of their own... when something does not weigh anything then any force can move it because all you are countering is drag.

A "top" Chinese  scientist who has worked on their Hypersonic program has fled to the West earlier this month (apparently to the UK). So the west might finally be able to develop Hypersonic weapons.
https://eurasiantimes.com/chinese-hypersonic-weapons-technician-df-17-missiles-defects/?amp

Sujoy wrote:A "top" Chinese  scientist who has worked on their Hypersonic program has fled to the West earlier this month (apparently to the UK). So the west might finally be able to develop Hypersonic weapons.
https://eurasiantimes.com/chinese-hypersonic-weapons-technician-df-17-missiles-defects/?amp

There are several inconsistencies on this news report which make it seem to be fake. You would also be better off linking to the actual news source.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1554695/China-rocket-scientist-defects-West-MI6-global-tensions

i.e. not the best news source either.

mike3121 wrote:they'd already developed anti-gravity aircraft capable of astounding speeds of 30,000 to 40,000 mph. Capable of sudden right angle turns or instant full stops.

Is this sarcasm?

I guess they invented "inertial dampeners" Star Trek style to prevent occupants turning into strawberry jam when performing these "instant full stops"...

MDA's upcoming Missile Defense system will be based on a modular payload concept

RTN wrote:MDA's upcoming Missile Defense system will be based on a modular payload concept

impose costs on the bad guys

Atlantacist twaddle at its finest...

Don't want to gloat ( ) but this garbage is nothing new. Frag warheads to kill hypersonic vehicles? Kill vehicles with "agility" to counter hypersonic maneuvering targets? Kill vehicles with directed energy weapons? Pathetic...

On the positive side, I can sense palpable panic on the part of the Atlantacist enemy. Hypersonics will be game-changing and they are way behind the curve

Russia will be the first to have an anti-hypersonic defense. They were already testing the S 500 against hypersonic targets. The development in Russia of missile and anti-missile systems have accelerated so much that it will be hard for anyone to catch up with them

In an age of multifunction, they want separate modules...

That will be cheaper... NOT.

Atlantacist twaddle at its finest...

Actually I agree... these designs are going to cost the west (the bad guys) an enormous fortune at a time they can't even stop cruise missiles they think some single system will keep them safe from hypersonic manouvering threats?

The bad guys are going to pay through the nose for hair brained ideas... making it modular means you have to buy their entire range of hairbrained ideas... most of which wont work for the first 100 blocks... they will just be place holders... while you make that company rich...

In comparison Russia does have an IADS network and its has hypersonic manouvering targets designed to penetrate defended air space... the first one was Iskander of course, but they had plenty of supersonic low flying cruise missiles that tried something similar to defeat air defences by flying low and working together as a swarm...

Now they have Zircon and operational scramjet engines their interceptors can now have scramjet motors too and conceivably chase down western hypersonic weapons...

Big_Gazza wrote:Don't want to gloat ( ) but this garbage is nothing new.  

Stealth aircraft has also been called garbage by the Russia strong crowd that is until itself didn't develop one.

Never mind, keep on clowning.

Not true. We were clowning about the claims that "Stealth" makes planes invisible for radar and that planes like F-35 can fly over S-400 systems and drop bombs onto it because the radars can´t see them.

The Americans thought stealth was the solution... ignoring that the problem is complex and any solution has strengths and weaknesses, so applying multiple solutions is always best.

The western term is putting all your eggs in one basket, which is what the US is seriously guilty of.

Russia recognised that stealth is a good idea but only in specific situations and against specific threats.

The US went for extreme stealth which made it hard to achieve and very very expensive, while the Russians went for enough stealth to make their new aircraft difficult to deal with but still affordable and capable enough to be a real problem.

https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2022-07-13a

USA very close to hypersonic wepons.

Arrow wrote:https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2022-07-13a

USA very close to hypersonic wepons.

Yawn... Murkan BS. Any "hypersonic" missile system that utilises rocket engines rather than air-breathing engines is old technology and is nothing special. The US is, AFAIK, nowhere near to testing a practical scramjet for use with tactical missile systems. Wake me up when they are....

A rocket powered hypersonic weapon would include most big heavy SAMs of the 70s and 80s...

Not to mention ICBMs and SLBMs and or course IRBMs which have not been a thing for a while for the Soviets/Russia and the west because the INF treaty previously banned them.

I understand it so perfectly. The Kinzhal, is also advertised as a hypersonic weapon and is an ordinary rocket missile like Iskander.

Did the pindos lose the plans for the pershing 2? Because it seems that is all they want from their new "hypersonic" weapons program.