SeigSoloyvov wrote:LMFS you are acting like a child, I never started this topic others did, if you are going to act out because I said "If nukes start flying both the USA and Russia go bye bye" that's really not my problem your feelings are hurt, that is the fact if one country attacks the other with nukes both countries die in a nuclear war.
There is no way to avoid this, that is the point of my remark.
"Russia has no interest n attacking the US"
I never said they did if you can READ. Don't put words in my mouth, next time act like an adult, and don't go on some emotional fueled rant made up of nothing but assumptions.
Everybody knows how nuclear retaliation work and I have not read ANYONE here rooting for Russia to do an unprovoked decapitating attack on the US. It is Russia that tried to reason with US to keep MAD in place, and it was US who rejected it and went for ABM systems and nuclear supremacy. That is why the comment about Russia being nuked in retaliation is superfluous and annoying. If every discussion with you ends with some "and you too!" from your part, then it is not me who is behaving like a child.
PapaDragon wrote:You do not do escalation control by hitting enemy mainland, that's the end stage
You do escalation control by nuking European meat shields
You start with nobodies like Romania or Poland, you move on to medium level like Germany or Italy and you finalize with UK or France (they either eat couple of nukes and live or try to retaliate and cease to exist)
USA is end stage
That's how you control escalation
You don't start the escalation with nukes, first of all. And if things get really nasty, US does not give a flying fuck if Russia turns all the Eastern Chihuahuas into charcoal, as far as they can go on with their comfortable lives on the other side of the pond. That is not going to stop them, to fight Russian till the last European has been their plan literally since ever. That is why Putin said very clearly that if INF missiles deployed in Europe are used against Russia, then the command centers behind the order in US would be attacked.
To bring an example from the daily life, you don't stop a bully exhausting yourself with all his minions, you kick the bastard himself in the balls from minute one and end the fight there. The kick in the balls in the example is Tsirkon, it is not complicated either.
EDIT: to complement the previous post:
“Russia will be forced to create and deploy types of weapons which can be used not only in respect of those territories from which the direct threat to us originates, but also in respect of those territories where the centers of decision-making are located,” he said.
“These weapons, by their tactical and technical specifications, including their flight time to the command centers I’m talking about, will fully correspond to the threats that will be directed against Russia.”
That is, Russia will have weapons that will strike US as fast and immediately as the missiles that US is going to place close to Russia. The bottom line is that US wants to place a gun against Russia's head, for which there will be no time to react, in order to blackmail their leadership, so Russia will do the same. Now calculate what weapon can replicate the flight time of missiles placed in Eastern Europe targeting Moscow or Saint Petersburg, and you will see the only one is Tsirkon, when carried by submarines close to the US coast. And you don't need any arm twisting of vassal countries for that, just some groups of sailors ready to serve their country.