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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:16 pm

    Isos wrote:
    The 56 mig-29UPG they operate have already all of that. If they upgrade them it's only to extand their service life or to put mig-35 stuff inside like AESA radar which is doubtful for such price. New engine cost 4-5 millions and the other 5-6 million will be to change hydrolics, pomps... radar and structure will stay as such.

    The 21 new airframes will be upgraded at UPG standard so they will cost more.

    Not sure the contract speaks of upgrades to the 56 planes even though it appears the UPG roll out had already started.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:36 am

    After the First Gulf War, export of U.S fighter aircraft went through the roofs because they were able to decimate one of the most densely packed air defense network in the world.

    The Iraqis never had an IADS... it was very much like Syria a few years ago... lots of air defence systems operating separately and independently... some communication, but no real IADS at all.

    How they achieved that can be litigated but fact remains that their bombing campaign was successful and the rest of the world noticed this undertaking.

    Yeah, One of the two major super powers with the support of the entire west can successfully bomb a third world country... it was amazing... never been done before.... really eye opening the fact that a first world super power could gradually wear down a broken country that had just spent the last ten years in a stalemate conflict against Iran which they were struggling to defeat... of course they were going to be the worlds most powerful country and super hard to defeat for the west... Bagdad was as well defended as Moscow despite having no air defence systems newer than SA-2 and SA-9... in fact their actual air defences were pathetic and their best fighter was actually a downgraded version of the MiG-29 which in many ways was less capable than the late model MiG-23s the Soviets had in service... and they ran away to Iranian airspace as soon as they could... as did their Su-24s...

    Similarly, if Russia has to ensure the success of the MIG -35 in the international market they have to prove that by deploying the Mig 35 against more formidable air defenses.

    That is ridiculous... are you suggesting they invade Turkey or Israel?

    Massaging of data till it conforms to a pre-arrived hypothesis might not work. Maybe try invading Israel instead of Alaska.

    Don't be a dick. The F-35 is the best fighter in teh world and it hasn't been effectively used anywhere.

    No western fighter has penetrated decent air defences comparable to Russian air defences, while drones and cruise missiles made Saudi air defences look pathetic... it is one thing to not shoot down all incoming missiles... it is another to never see the attack and learn about it on the news...

    Or enforcing a no fly zone over E. Ukraine.

    There is no need... the Ukraine wont operate over E Ukraine because they lose too many aircraft already.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:47 am

    GarryB wrote:The Iraqis never had an IADS... it was very much like Syria a few years ago... lots of air defence systems operating separately and independently... some communication, but no real IADS at all.
    Lots of air defence systems could have shot down a whole lot of NATO fighters. You don't need an IADS for that. They couldn't.


    GarryB wrote:That is ridiculous... are you suggesting they invade Turkey or Israel?
    I don't know if Russia has the capability to invade Turkey. Russian army positions inside Syria has been bombed by rebels supported by Turkey.  Turkey did shoot down a Russian Su 24. They did not have to enter Russian airspace to do that.

    Will wait and see if a Russian Mig 35 can shoot down a Turkish F-16 in Syria.


    GarryB wrote:The F-35 is the best fighter in teh world and it hasn't been effectively used anywhere.
    Why would you think that the F-35 is the best fighter in the tech world? There are hardly any tech in the F-35 that is not available in other 4++ gen fighters.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:30 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The Iraqis never had an IADS... it was very much like Syria a few years ago... lots of air defence systems operating separately and independently... some communication, but no real IADS at all.
    Lots of air defence systems could have shot down a whole lot of NATO fighters. You don't need an IADS for that. They couldn't.

    But they did. US lost aircraft during the conflict from AD systems.

    Iraq didn't have neither a strategy nor structure to really take on the US Airforce.  Iraqi MiG's flew barely in a squadron and they decided to bury their more advance jets in the desert.

    Their AD were sitting ducks

    GarryB wrote:That is ridiculous... are you suggesting they invade Turkey or Israel?
    I don't know if Russia has the capability to invade Turkey. Russian army positions inside Syria has been bombed by rebels supported by Turkey.  Turkey did shoot down a Russian Su 24. They did not have to enter Russian airspace to do that.

    A smart person would realize the situation that Su-24 was in. It flew into Turkish airspace and then turned around and got shot down from behind while in Syrian airspace.

    Russian AF bombed jihadist positions that had Turkish soldiers in it.  Turkey didn't do shit.  Actually, there is a reason why Turkish officials went to kiss Russian ass.

    Turkish Army isn't strong. Russian military would wipe out majority of Turks military without entering its territory.

    Will wait and see if a Russian Mig 35 can shoot down a Turkish F-16 in Syria.

    There aren't MiG-35's in Syria.[/quote]
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:40 pm

    There is no need... the Ukraine wont operate over E Ukraine because they lose too many aircraft already.
    to establish it, they'll need to bomb Ukr. AD network there; NATO will consider it an aggression & may send its aircraft as they were training to to do in the last few years. The Ukr. mil. been using UAVs until recently, & they want to get more UAV types from Turkey.
    A Russian MiG-29 shot down a UAV in/near Georgia & MiG-35s could do the same over E. UKraine.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:54 am

    Lots of air defence systems could have shot down a whole lot of NATO fighters.

    Without coordination and communication each air defence battery would be on its own and searching for targets would reveal its position for attack by HATO forces.

    It was shown in Syria that systems on their own can defeat an attack by subsonic cruise missiles... 71 of 103 shot down without communication or coordination... and very likely the case that there were no air defence systems around the target that was hit by the 32 missiles that were not shot down... old buildings that used to be associated with their chem weapons programme were hit... they were no longer used so I rather doubt there were any air defence systems there to protect them.

    Of the defended areas like airfields etc the numbers seem to suggest an excellent kill rate with 100% shootdowns, but about 90% PK probability...

    In other words not every missile killed a target, but every target detected and engaged was shot down, so of the 71 cruise missiles used against the targets all 71 were shot down but more than 71 SAMs were used to achieve this.

    This is quite a success really as no missile has a 100% record and a 85-90% record is considered outstanding in real world conditions.

    This was a third world country with no SAMs that could be considered modern at the time... no BUK, no TOR, no S-300, no Igla AFAIK.

    SA-8, SA-13, S-200, SA-3 and SA-2, and Shilka and cannon... hardly world class against the best the US and HATO could afford...

    You don't need an IADS for that. They couldn't.

    Even without a proper IADS they could have used their systems much better... Serbia in Kosovo showed what could be achieved with old equipment against a super power and cronies who were expecting a quick easy victory... I remember Albright... or Notso to give her her first name... said something like a week is all they will need to break the Serbs and save the Albanians... not a great brain in that head...

    Russian army positions inside Syria has been bombed by rebels supported by Turkey.

    US bases are under mortar and rocket fire every other day in some conflicts... are you suggesting there is a technology or capability that would make forces totally safe?

    Turkey did shoot down a Russian Su 24.

    Based on what happened afterwards it is pretty clear they regretted it... they certainly didn't try it again...

    They did not have to enter Russian airspace to do that.

    So make up your mind... you are saying Russian fighters are not tested against HATO level air forces and ground defence and then you say Turkey shot down an Su-24... so if Russia is not facing HATO level air force and HATO level air defences how did that Su-24 get shot down, which led to the introduction of S-400 SAMs and Su-35 fighters and also Su-34 strike aircraft and Su-57 fighters for testing.

    You therefore are saying Russian aircraft in Syria are at risk from Turkey and the US and Israel so that makes it an ideal testing ground...

    [quute]Will wait and see if a Russian Mig 35 can shoot down a Turkish F-16 in Syria.[/quote]

    Wait for what... Turkish F-16s don't operate in Syrian airspace.... hell Israeli F-35s don't operate in Syrian airspace either.

    Why would you think that the F-35 is the best fighter in the tech world? There are hardly any tech in the F-35 that is not available in other 4++ gen fighters.

    The F-35 is supposed to be Americas most capable fighter with 5th gen avionics superior to anyone else including their own F-22s...

    Iraqi MiG's flew barely in a squadron and they decided to bury their more advance jets in the desert.

    Their best planes... MiG-29s and Su-24s and their AWACS Adnans flew to Iran who confiscated them in war reparations for the conflict the decade before against Iraq.

    Their AD were sitting ducks

    Desert Storm was a tiny area (compared with eastern europe and the Soviet Union), they had total air control and no interference with their satellite coverage and a massive advantage in numbers and quality of forces with the support of allies and lack of support for Iraq.

    It was an example of how HATO wanted to fight, but not a really useful example because Soviet forces would have make it impossible for them to fight that way.

    The HATO conflict in Kosovo showed how reliant on air power they were and when proper tactics are applied even to obsolete equipment that they quickly become impotent and useless.

    Experience from both conflicts led to changes in Soviet and Russian systems to fix potential problems, but in either case if modern at the time Soviet and Russian equipment had been in use HATO would have been crushed...

    A smart person would realize the situation that Su-24 was in. It flew into Turkish airspace and then turned around and got shot down from behind while in Syrian airspace.

    A bomber crew focused on killing terrorists, not expecting to be shot from behind, but the result was greatly enhanced air defence capability for Russian forces in Syria so the chance of it happening again became so close to zero it should not be considered.

    There aren't MiG-35's in Syria.

    Yet. They plan to test some there though... the real problem is that Turkey wont fly F-16s any where near Russian fighters in Syria...

    But that is fine... why would Russia want to shoot down Turkish fighters... they are there to kill terrorists.

    NATO will consider it an aggression & may send its aircraft as they were training to to do in the last few years.

    HATO fighters over the Ukraine would create an ideal situation for Igla and Verba missiles to get some kills....
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:43 am

    ..Israeli F-35s don't operate in Syrian airspace either.
    r u sure?   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44210403
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25499/Russian_S_300s__S_400s_Fail_to_Detect_Israeli_F_35s_Flying_Over_Syria__Reports#.YAO6D-hKiyI
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a20884291/f-35-israel-middle-east-russian-weapons/

    And not only them:
    https://sofrep.com/news/american-f-35s-overfly-special-operations-bases-in-syria/

    https://youtu.be/MapR1C2NgKE?t=49


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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:35 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..Israeli F-35s don't operate in Syrian airspace either.
    r u sure?   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44210403
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25499/Russian_S_300s__S_400s_Fail_to_Detect_Israeli_F_35s_Flying_Over_Syria__Reports#.YAO6D-hKiyI
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a20884291/f-35-israel-middle-east-russian-weapons/

    And not only them:
    https://sofrep.com/news/american-f-35s-overfly-special-operations-bases-in-syria/

    https://youtu.be/MapR1C2NgKE?t=49


    ...come on bro. f-35's have been detected multiple times with s-400 radars and other ruskie/chicom radars on multiple occasions. the articles do not explain crap. this screams of the same propaganda as RT, except outlets like BBC never get questioned the same way. are they making assumptions based on the fact they weren't tracked/radiated?

    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2020/12/327745/israel-claims-birds-not-syria-took-down-96-million-f-35-fighter-jet/

    remember the f-35i irreparably damaged by "bird strike" a few years ago? it is important to stay wary of western sources just as much as every source out there.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:34 am

    r u sure?

    Yes.

    Russian radar in Russia can track American F-35s operating on the Iraq Iran border... they can see over the entire area of Syria and Israel etc etc etc.
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    Post  LMFS Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:14 pm

    India confirms purchase of Russian MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters

    The Indian Ministry of Defense has confirmed the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters from Russia. This was reported by The Times of India, citing military sources.

    According to the newspaper, a total of 21 MiG-29s and 12 Su-30MKIs are planned to be purchased; a purchase request will soon be sent to Rosoboronexport. It is clarified that the MiG-29s planned for the acquisition will be removed from storage, where they are now.

    Thus, after the delivery of 21 MiG-29s, the total number of these fighters in the Indian Air Force will reach 80, and with the purchase of 12 Su-30MKIs, the number of aircraft of this type will increase to 284. All fighters are to be delivered in 2024-2025.

    The fact that India intends to purchase a batch of Russian fighters became known back in the middle of last summer. The statement about this appeared against the background of a sharp aggravation of the situation in the disputed region of Ladakh after the clashes between Indian and Chinese military personnel. At the same time, it was emphasized that the planes are needed "urgently".

    It was proposed to immediately upgrade the MiG-29 fighters to the MiG-29UPG version, and to assemble the Su-30MKI at HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) enterprises from the kits received from Russia. There is no information as to how it will actually happen.

    At the same time, India by April-May should decide on the choice of a fighter in a tender for 114 new aircraft. As the newspaper writes, while the priority is the French Rafale, purchased by the Air Force in the amount of 36 units, but only in case of price reduction. Other contenders for the contract include the American F / A-18 and F-21 (F-16 for the Indian Air Force), the Swedish Gripen-E, the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35, and the European Eurofighter Typhoon.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179123-indija-podtverdila-zakupku-rossijskih-istrebitelej-mig-29-i-su-30mki.html

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    r u sure?
    Yes. Russian radar in Russia can track American F-35s operating on the Iraq Iran border... they can see over the entire area of Syria and Israel etc etc etc.
    so what? Israel been striking many targets across all of Syria, recently by the Iraqi border, with impunity. I'm sure they used their F-35s to test them in real combat. After all, they didn't get them to be hangar queens.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:26 am

    You do understand that the Russians saw the Israeli F-16s that hid behind the Russian intel gathering Il-20 and lured the Iraqis to shoot it down too... they didn't shoot them down either.

    Seeing a target and choosing to shoot it down or not are two very different things.

    In an IADS the platform that shoots the target down does need to use its search radars to find the target... it can use target data from other sources...NEBO and Container are but two...
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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:39 pm

    Why India is buying the MiG-29 again, abandoning the American F-21 and risking severe sanctions
    Today

    A few days ago, American congressmen reaffirmed that anyone who buys Russian military equipment runs the risk of falling under the CAATSA (On Countering America's Enemies with the Effect of Sanctions) and there can be no exceptions. It is difficult to explain how this fits in with the principles of the free market, which seems to be the basis of world trade. But we are already used to the fact that as soon as it comes to big money, any freedom becomes an empty declaration. India, in this case, is especially hard. Recently, it has been trying to play with the United States in a global strategic partnership, but this is exactly the case when one partner always strives to be on top. The Americans are harshly twisting the hands of the Indians, offering to abandon the traditional and even privileged partnership with Russia.

    It is virtually impossible to do this now, since the main arms of the Indian Republic's troops are based on Russian technology. Local politicians also understand this, from time to time demonstrating obstinacy towards their rather obsessive "big brother". This was the case with the purchase of the S-400 complexes. The five regimental kits of the popular Russian air defense system acquired by India caused a storm of indignation in Washington, and hysteria over this wire does not end to this day.

    A new "act of disobedience" took place literally the day before. The Department of the Indian War Ministry, responsible for the acquisition of equipment, finally approved the plan for the urgent purchase of fighters from Russia: 21 MiG-29s and eleven more Su-30MKIs, which today constitute the main force of the Indian Air Force. The decision matured about a year ago, and all this time, the United States persistently urged India to abandon the deal, offering as an alternative the "latest fighter" F-21. Under this mark was the same ancient F-16 Fighting Falcon, adapted specifically for the Indian market.

    The predecessor of the F-21, the F-16 Block70 \ 72 fighter, had already tried its hand at the infamous Indian MMRCA tender and took off early. The Americans tried to sell their junk once again, arranging for the veteran a light cosmetic surgery. But Indians are pretty familiar with War Falcon. Their pilots on the Su-30MKI regularly organized pogroms on the "sixteenth" in training battles and constantly met with the American fighter on the edge of the Indo-Pakistani confrontation, the so-called "line of control". They did not want to buy the F-16 under any guise, despite the fact that the American manufacturers were "like a tank", using all possible administrative resources.
    At the beginning of this year, the situation finally cleared up, although in the case of India, surprises are always possible. For urgent replenishment of the ranks of their own Air Force, which had noticeably thinned after the write-off of very old MiGs and Mirages, they chose Russian technology. This happened after having pretty much tormented with Rafals and having organized, at the suggestion of the Americans, a whole campaign against Russian fighters in the press, at some point the Indians suddenly realized that an old friend is always better than new ones, especially when a freshly baked "strategic partner" immediately starts "friendship" with blackmail and hysterics. The tensions with China also contributed to this enlightenment. With the help of Russian vehicles, the Indian military expects to support its fighter aircraft in 42 squadrons until 2024. Going forward, they hope for their own light fighter "Tejas" and the fifth generation AMCA program, which they intend to launch by the middle of this decade. Let's see how they do it.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5cbc1d66621b6d00b28aefbd/zachem-indiia-vnov-pokupaet-mig29-otkazavshis-ot-amerikanskogo-f21-i-riskuia-popast-pod-jestkie-sankcii-60092296fc8f1029f789b400

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:22 pm

    Deal between Russia and India over S-400s: "a slap on Biden"

    India has sent several dozens of soldiers to Russia to train them with the handling of the S-400 air-defence system that it expects to purchase. However, this initiative will not be to Washington's satisfaction, who considers New Delhi a key partner in the Indian-Pacific strategy, writes Jap outlet Nikkei Asia.

    India should receive its first air defence batteries between September and November 2021 and will be operational at the end of this year or beginning next.

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/defensa/202101281094261683-el-acuerdo-entre-rusia-y-la-india-sobre-los-s-400--un-golpe-contra-biden/

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:15 am

    Not so much a slap... hopefully more of a kick up the arse.

    Biden has to realise that just because India will cooperate with the US and her bitches in the region against China, they are not going to piss trillions of dollars away on useless and ineffective air defence crap like THAAD or Patriot or AEGIS Ashore. They want the good stuff... and if you think a tantrum and lashing out will stop them then you are an idiot.

    But idiots for president are normal in the US of A... look at their history.
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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:26 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The Iraqis never had an IADS... it was very much like Syria a few years ago... lots of air defence systems operating separately and independently... some communication, but no real IADS at all.
    Lots of air defence systems could have shot down a whole lot of NATO fighters. You don't need an IADS for that. They couldn't.


    GarryB wrote:That is ridiculous... are you suggesting they invade Turkey or Israel?
    I don't know if Russia has the capability to invade Turkey. Russian army positions inside Syria has been bombed by rebels supported by Turkey.  Turkey did shoot down a Russian Su 24. They did not have to enter Russian airspace to do that.

    Will wait and see if a Russian Mig 35 can shoot down a Turkish F-16 in Syria.


    GarryB wrote:The F-35 is the best fighter in teh world and it hasn't been effectively used anywhere.
    Why would you think that the F-35 is the best fighter in the tech world? There are hardly any tech in the F-35 that is not available in other 4++ gen fighters.

    The Coalition lost a total of 75 aircraft—52 fixed-wing aircraft and 23 helicopters–during Desert Storm, with 39 fixed—wing aircraft and 5 helicopters lost in combat.

    One coalition fighter was lost in air-air combat, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 piloted by Scott Speicher.
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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:40 am

    Kiko wrote:Why India is buying the MiG-29 again, abandoning the American F-21 and risking severe sanctions
    Today

    This happened after having pretty much tormented with Rafals and having organized, at the suggestion of the Americans, a whole campaign against Russian fighters in the press,


    Isn't this proof that there is literally disinformation campaigns against Russia fighters ? Like coordinated and organized media attacks against them ? I have long suspected that this was the case.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:19 am

    Yes and we all called it out when no one else faces the exact issues India does. Indians claimed it's because they fly the most per year in hour terms but that is highly suspicious. Especially since the recent years Russia has flown as much or more, along with China whom also uses a lot of Russian jets.

    Then articles came out about Indian facilities storing spare parts for Russian jets being stolen and replaced with sub par parts....

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:27 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Yes and we all called it out when no one else faces the exact issues India does. Indians claimed it's because they fly the most per year in hour terms but that is highly suspicious.  Especially since the recent years Russia has flown as much or more, along with China whom also uses a lot of Russian jets.

    Then articles came out about Indian facilities storing spare parts for Russian jets being stolen and replaced with sub par parts....

    I guess India's government will have to make up its mind what it wants.   To be America's bitch or to crack down on such sabotage.
    If India's government lets such incidents frame its views via an MSM disinformation campaign, then it is not worth the time of day.    
    Unlike the USA, Russia is not interested in running a colonial racket, so India is free to follow its own path.  

    You would think that after the experience with the British, India would learn something.  Apparently, it wants to be ass raped by
    the Americans as well.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:31 am

    I'll tell you what my wife (Punjabi) told me:

    After the Brits "left", majority of the British Raj went with them and a few whom still had power, stayed behind. In this regard, it created a class of pro Brits and Americans who actually still rule the country. They are the literal elites. Many Descendents of the British Raj are still there in India now. Not with direct power, but influential. Had the "privilege" to see one of them in Jaipur.

    Russia has similar class with the liberals so Russia has same problem to a lesser extent.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:44 am

    The Coalition lost a total of 75 aircraft—52 fixed-wing aircraft and 23 helicopters–during Desert Storm, with 39 fixed—wing aircraft and 5 helicopters lost in combat.

    One coalition fighter was lost in air-air combat, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 piloted by Scott Speicher.

    The Richard Attenborough explaination would be a group of say 20 lions on a plain hunting wilderbeast... there are 10,000 wilderbeast but they are not working together they are individuals who hang around in a big group in the hope that there is a weaker animal there that will be taken instead of them because 20 hunting cats can't kill 10,000 animals even on a good day.

    It is a survival technique that works on land, in the air and at sea, and although it looks brutal with lots of death and destruction the hunters get their fill and stop killing and the herd moves on.

    Desert Storm was 50,000 hunters vs a million grazers... the 50,000 hunters have the enormous advantage of working together and cooperating and planning and finding weak spots, but always picking off the weak actually makes the herd stronger.

    With proper C4IR and an IADS it turns the tables because one on one a horse has no chance against a lion, but you get 4-5 bison charging a group of lions and the lions don't stand a chance if those Bison work together and actively defend each other. The lion only survives because they don't.

    An IADS means using your sensors and weapons efficiently and intelligently.

    in NK the SAM vehicles like OSA were working alone so they had to turn on their radar to spot targets and by turning on their radar they revealed their position and could be attacked. Because they all operated alone they all had to turn on their radar and could all be located... if they didn't turn on their radar they would not see targets and either might be stumbled on and destroyed anyway, or it just wont shoot down any targets because it wont see them.

    If it had a proper IADS, which is more than a few dozen OSA vehicles linked and talking to each other, you could use tactics where a vehicle turns on its radar and looks for targets but passes target information to other vehicles operating nearby. Any threat comes to take down the emitting OSA vehicle can be detected by that OSA vehicle easily enough but because it is emitting the enemy knows where it is and what range its missiles have so it will remain outside its range to engage it. But it wont be outside the range of other radar silent OSA vehicles who can engage and destroy the threat in optical mode using hints from the active vehicle whose radar can see quite a bit further than its missiles can reach....

    The active vehicle can then move and another vehicle can start scanning...

    Isn't this proof that there is literally disinformation campaigns against Russia fighters ? Like coordinated and organized media attacks against them ? I have long suspected that this was the case.

    The CIA used to infiltrate communist parties... now it infiltrates media and drug cartels... for propaganda and income respectively...

    Then articles came out about Indian facilities storing spare parts for Russian jets being stolen and replaced with sub par parts....

    To be fair that might have just been to make money selling original parts and hiding the theft with cheap counterfeits, but the CIA is highly likely to have assisted or helped cover up in any way they could.

    Russia has similar class with the liberals so Russia has same problem to a lesser extent.

    Yes, the believe Europe and the US is special, but really they are actually much worse.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:09 pm

    India is ready for joint production of the MiG-35 fighter and the Il-112V military transport
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    Russia and India have reached a preliminary agreement on the joint production of the MiG-35 fighter. This was announced by the Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia Vladimir Drozhzhov.

    According to the deputy director of the FSMTC, if the Russian MiG-35 fighter wins the tender for the supply of 114 new aircraft, India is ready for joint production of fighters at the enterprises of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) corporation.

    A preliminary agreement has been reached with the Indian corporation HAL on joint participation in the project
    - said Drozhzhov, adding that it was up to the Indian Ministry of Defense, which should choose the Russian fighter.

    According to him, a corresponding proposal was sent to the Indian side, Indian pilots conducted test flights on the MiG-35. The Indian Air Force should decide on the final choice of fighter by April-May of this year.

    Also, the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) corporation expressed its readiness to start production of the Russian military transport aircraft Il-112V if this aircraft is chosen by the Indian military.

    Indian partners are showing interest in the Il-112V aircraft. Indian corporation HAL is ready to organize its production at its enterprises. Decision for the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of India
    - reported in the FSMTC.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179654-indija-gotova-k-sovmestnomu-proizvodstvu-istrebitelja-mig-35-i-voenno-transportnogo-il-112v.html

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    Post  LMFS Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:07 pm

    India has sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB for the aircraft carrier "Vikrant"

    India intends to purchase a new batch of Russian MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters, a request has already been sent to the Russian side. Vladimir Drozhzhov, Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia, spoke about this during the Aero India 2021 exhibition.

    Answering a question from journalists, Drozhzhov explained that Russia had received a preliminary request from India for the supply of MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters and had already sent its proposals to the Indian military. Currently, a tender is expected to be announced for the supply of carrier-based aircraft for Indian aircraft carriers, but Russia is hoping for an intergovernmental agreement.

    Equipping the Vikrant aircraft carrier with the same type MiG-29K / KUB aircraft and their further combat use will significantly reduce the costs of both their operation and training of personnel operating this equipment

    - added Drozhzhov.

    Last year, the Indian Ministry of Defense announced plans to transfer the fleet the newest light aircraft carrier Vikrant in the spring of 2021. According to the plans, it will host up to 14 MiG-29K / KUB aircraft and several radar patrol helicopters.

    Recall that earlier, under two contracts, India received 45 MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179644-indija-napravila-zapros-na-partiju-palubnyh-istrebitelej-mig-29k-kub-dlja-avianosca-vikrant.html

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:05 pm

    Expect much huffing and puffing coming over the horizon from Washington any moment.

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    Post  Backman Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:29 am

    JohninMK wrote:Expect much huffing and puffing coming over the horizon from Washington any moment.

    Yeah this is huge. There's a lot of doubt about this deal going around Twitter.

    I don't think shilling weapons is as important to the Biden regime as it was to trump though.


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