Lots of air defence systems could have shot down a whole lot of NATO fighters.
Without coordination and communication each air defence battery would be on its own and searching for targets would reveal its position for attack by HATO forces.
It was shown in Syria that systems on their own can defeat an attack by subsonic cruise missiles... 71 of 103 shot down without communication or coordination... and very likely the case that there were no air defence systems around the target that was hit by the 32 missiles that were not shot down... old buildings that used to be associated with their chem weapons programme were hit... they were no longer used so I rather doubt there were any air defence systems there to protect them.
Of the defended areas like airfields etc the numbers seem to suggest an excellent kill rate with 100% shootdowns, but about 90% PK probability...
In other words not every missile killed a target, but every target detected and engaged was shot down, so of the 71 cruise missiles used against the targets all 71 were shot down but more than 71 SAMs were used to achieve this.
This is quite a success really as no missile has a 100% record and a 85-90% record is considered outstanding in real world conditions.
This was a third world country with no SAMs that could be considered modern at the time... no BUK, no TOR, no S-300, no Igla AFAIK.
SA-8, SA-13, S-200, SA-3 and SA-2, and Shilka and cannon... hardly world class against the best the US and HATO could afford...
You don't need an IADS for that. They couldn't.
Even without a proper IADS they could have used their systems much better... Serbia in Kosovo showed what could be achieved with old equipment against a super power and cronies who were expecting a quick easy victory... I remember Albright... or Notso to give her her first name... said something like a week is all they will need to break the Serbs and save the Albanians... not a great brain in that head...
Russian army positions inside Syria has been bombed by rebels supported by Turkey.
US bases are under mortar and rocket fire every other day in some conflicts... are you suggesting there is a technology or capability that would make forces totally safe?
Turkey did shoot down a Russian Su 24.
Based on what happened afterwards it is pretty clear they regretted it... they certainly didn't try it again...
They did not have to enter Russian airspace to do that.
So make up your mind... you are saying Russian fighters are not tested against HATO level air forces and ground defence and then you say Turkey shot down an Su-24... so if Russia is not facing HATO level air force and HATO level air defences how did that Su-24 get shot down, which led to the introduction of S-400 SAMs and Su-35 fighters and also Su-34 strike aircraft and Su-57 fighters for testing.
You therefore are saying Russian aircraft in Syria are at risk from Turkey and the US and Israel so that makes it an ideal testing ground...
[quute]Will wait and see if a Russian Mig 35 can shoot down a Turkish F-16 in Syria.[/quote]
Wait for what... Turkish F-16s don't operate in Syrian airspace.... hell Israeli F-35s don't operate in Syrian airspace either.
Why would you think that the F-35 is the best fighter in the tech world? There are hardly any tech in the F-35 that is not available in other 4++ gen fighters.
The F-35 is supposed to be Americas most capable fighter with 5th gen avionics superior to anyone else including their own F-22s...
Iraqi MiG's flew barely in a squadron and they decided to bury their more advance jets in the desert.
Their best planes... MiG-29s and Su-24s and their AWACS Adnans flew to Iran who confiscated them in war reparations for the conflict the decade before against Iraq.
Their AD were sitting ducks
Desert Storm was a tiny area (compared with eastern europe and the Soviet Union), they had total air control and no interference with their satellite coverage and a massive advantage in numbers and quality of forces with the support of allies and lack of support for Iraq.
It was an example of how HATO wanted to fight, but not a really useful example because Soviet forces would have make it impossible for them to fight that way.
The HATO conflict in Kosovo showed how reliant on air power they were and when proper tactics are applied even to obsolete equipment that they quickly become impotent and useless.
Experience from both conflicts led to changes in Soviet and Russian systems to fix potential problems, but in either case if modern at the time Soviet and Russian equipment had been in use HATO would have been crushed...
A smart person would realize the situation that Su-24 was in. It flew into Turkish airspace and then turned around and got shot down from behind while in Syrian airspace.
A bomber crew focused on killing terrorists, not expecting to be shot from behind, but the result was greatly enhanced air defence capability for Russian forces in Syria so the chance of it happening again became so close to zero it should not be considered.
There aren't MiG-35's in Syria.
Yet. They plan to test some there though... the real problem is that Turkey wont fly F-16s any where near Russian fighters in Syria...
But that is fine... why would Russia want to shoot down Turkish fighters... they are there to kill terrorists.
NATO will consider it an aggression & may send its aircraft as they were training to to do in the last few years.
HATO fighters over the Ukraine would create an ideal situation for Igla and Verba missiles to get some kills....