Infantry Mobility Vehicles

Either way it does not hurt to have a reserve of vehicles with such capabilities for use in places where their problems are minimised.

They would be rather useful in places like Syria, and indeed Iraq.

Another option would be to sell any remaining vehicles to Iran... I am sure they could use them too... but if the Syrians find them useful then it makes sense to send as many as needed there... there is no point in splitting them up into small batches as that will make spares support more complicated...

They weren't bad vehicles and likely were very useful as an example to Russian vehicle developers... even if there are ideas they can't use it is useful to see different solutions to problems and be able to test how they perform.

May I ask is the price [that Russia paid] of these LM equal to their capability ?

Or this contract is similar to Mistral, that Russia bought overpriced Mistral to compensate for France's lost to Soyuz in Gallileo project ?

higurashihougi wrote:May I ask is the price [that Russia paid] of these LM equal to their capability ?

Or this contract is similar to Mistral, that Russia bought overpriced Mistral to compensate for France's lost to Soyuz in Gallileo project ?

Russia has paid the LMV's at their mid-range specs but with the "top protection" (about 225K Euros). The Infamous Ukrainian contract for 90 vehicles at top spec was at 41 million (about 450K/Vehicle).

In comparison, the nearest "competitor" of the LMV, MATV mod2 costs upwards 700K US (Saudi contract). So basically the price (IMO) is very good.

Armored Iveco LMV ("Lynx") in the 22th Special Purpose Brigade

Τoday [3 May 2016] in Rostov-on-Don Parade rehearsal on occasion of Victory Day was first demonstrated armored vehicles "Lynx" [Iveco LMV]. These armored cars are in service with 22-th Guards special purpose brigade stationed near Rostov-on-Don.





http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1882976.html

what happened to the Volk? is it still under trials or was it cancelled?

sepheronx wrote:I dunno why they bother to keep that piece of shit.  Just give it to Novorussian forces or Syrian forces and be done with it, and continue to make Tiger's.  Another curse from the fifth columnists in Russia.

Well vehicles are new, they have certain amount of spares... i guess thats the logic behind keeping them. Also they might be waiting for bigger numbers of Tigr-M and later Volk to come. You are aware that Russians lack thousands of vehicles like this in their armed force still, despite fairly decent inflow during last 3-4 years.

The LMV is not a bad vehicle. Yes it has flaws and yes it was still paid a lot (not as much as some others but you get the point). But it's still a good pick. It could be worse it could be a RDT Sherpa...

LMV has much better armor than Tiger. Downside is poor off-road performance (notice the winches on those pics).

That is why they give them to spec-ops, they would more often than not operate in urban environments. Also why they are used in Syria, no mud in the desert and Italians already gave them a good field test in Afghanistan.

Volk is still not in production, Kamaz is dragging their ass with replacing Cummings engines with locals on that Typhoon 4x4 and there are really a lot of LMVs in stock so they might as well use what they have since they do not have any local equivalents.

PapaDragon wrote:
LMV has much better armor than Tiger. Downside is poor off-road performance (notice the winches on those pics).

That is why they give them to spec-ops, they would more often than not operate in urban environments. Also why they are used in Syria, no mud in the desert and Italians already gave them a good field test in Afghanistan.

Volk is still not in production, Kamaz is dragging their ass with replacing Cummings engines with locals on that Typhoon 4x4 and there are really a lot of LMVs in stock so they might as well use what they have since they do not have any local equivalents.

Barely better protection when it comes to the core business.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
LMV has much better armor than Tiger. Downside is poor off-road performance (notice the winches on those pics).

That is why they give them to spec-ops, they would more often than not operate in urban environments. Also why they are used in Syria, no mud in the desert and Italians already gave them a good field test in Afghanistan.

Volk is still not in production, Kamaz is dragging their ass with replacing Cummings engines with locals on that Typhoon 4x4 and there are really a lot of LMVs in stock so they might as well use what they have since they do not have any local equivalents.

Barely better protection when it comes to the core business.

Protection in terms of firearms and shrapnels is similar. However Tigr has quite poor mine/IED protection, and that is where LMV shines.

sepheronx wrote:TigerM was supposed to fix that, hence why they stopped purchase of lmv

Tigr-M improved it, yes, but its still not as good as LMVs protection in that aspect. But Tigr-M offers some other advantages.

sepheronx wrote:Seem that Scorpion offers good mine protection.  No need for any of this Italian crap.

Tiger-M was quite a solid vehicle and Volk looks much better, both using the newer YaMZ engines as well.

Skorpion LSHA-2B should have some degree of anti mine/IED protection but its main role is to be light transport/utility vehicle.

Volk on other hand has potential to grow as great MRAPish vehicle. KAMAZ 53949 is something to look up too.

New Modification of Tigr Armored Vehicles Tested in Russia

The latest modifications of Russian-made Tigr all-terrain armored combat vehicle recently underwent a series of trials at the Arzamas Machinery Plant testing range.

The Gaz-2330 Tigr (Tiger) is a family of Russian off-road vehicles, developed in the early 2000s and put into production in early 2004 at the Arzamas Machinery Plant, part of the Military-Industrial Company (VPK LLC). The vehicle is produced in a variety of configurations, and is available for both civilian and military use.



http://sputniknews.com/military/20160730/1043791193/tigr-vehicle-modification-tests.html

New version of Typhoon MRAP 4x4

PapaDragon wrote:
New version of Typhoon MRAP 4x4

Do you know the designation of this vehicle? Kamaz?

eehnie wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
New version of Typhoon MRAP 4x4

Do you know the designation of this vehicle? Kamaz?

It is Kamaz, same 4x4 model we saw before but this version is supposed to be fully localised without any import components.

Folks online say this version is for paratroopers but it is all speculation for now.

So pretty much properly armored Tigr.

I hope the bucket is only a placeholder.

30mm gun on Tiger-M

So the bucket was a placeholder...

Nice setup.

As pictured above

Armored car "Tiger" with a combat unit with a 30-mm cannon August 27th, 0:05

General Director of "Military-industrial company" Alexander Krasovitsky in an interview with TASS, published on 26 August 2016, announced the creation of a special vehicle "Tiger" with a remotely controlled weapon station with 30 mm automatic cannon. The prototype vehicle will be demonstrated at the International military-technical forum "Army-2016".

"Falkatus" in Dagestan



The video application armored vehicle "Falkatus" during a joint anti-terrorist special operation of the FSB and the Interior Ministry in Makhachkala (Dagestan) September 7, 2016. Recall that the "protected vehicle" for the Special Purpose Center (SPC) set up the FSB closely connected with the FSB Moscow ZAO "Fort technology" as a further development of the development started in his time on the ZIL on "The Punisher," the Russian Defense Ministry. To date, "Fort technology" built several models "Falkatusa", differing from each other, and performed by the known data, double-axle chassis "rally" KAMAZ-4911.

It has already made public the video and photos using the "Falkatusa" during the anti-terrorist operation in Dagestan, on 13-14 April 2016.



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2113656.html