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    Post  Austin on Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:53 am

    US Cancels 3rd Stage ABM Program in Europe , A precursor to further reduction in Nuclear Weapons between US and Russia as Obama has promised for second term , This should also put to rest on some ruffling feathers at Kremlin on 3rd stage Europen ABM Program

    US scraps final phase of European missile shield

    The Pentagon announced Friday it will spend $1 billion to add 14 interceptors to a West Coast-based missile defense system, responding to what it called faster-than-anticipated North Korean progress on nuclear weapons and missiles. Defense officials confirm the move, saying it's in response to recent threats from North Korea to attack the U.S. with nuclear weapons.

    A portion of the $1 billion cost of the expanded system will come from scrapping the final phase of a missile defense system the U.S. is building in Europe.

    The system in Europe is aimed mainly at defending against a missile threat from Iran; key elements of that system are already in place.

    The decision to drop the planned expansion in Europe happens to coincide with President Barack Obama’s 's announced intention to engage Russia in talks about further reducing each country's nuclear weapons arsenal.

    US to add 14 interceptors on the West Coast in response to recent threats from North Korea

    The Pentagon announced Friday it will spend $1 billion to add 14 interceptors to a West Coast-based missile defense system, responding to what it called faster-than-anticipated North Korean progress on nuclear weapons and missiles.

    Defense officials confirm the move, saying it's in response to recent threats from North Korea to attack the U.S. with nuclear weapons. U.S. officials believe North Korea is incapable of carrying out an attack, but the threat adds to tension between the two countries.

    The Pentagon intends to add the 14 interceptors to 26 already in place at Fort Greely, Alaska. That will expand the system's ability to shoot down long-range missiles in flight before they could reach U.S. territory. In addition to those at Greely, the U.S. also has four missile interceptors at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.

    The officials confirmed the decision on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly.
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    Post  Sujoy on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:16 pm

    Good decision .... but let's remember that the "threat" over Russia has not disappeared completely .

    It has just shifted from the European part of Russia to the Asian part of Russia .

    This "change of heart" on the part of the US is part of it's PIVOT IN ASIA policy which basically is a misnomer for containing the rise of CHINA in the short to medium term and INDIA in the long term .

    The US is setting up a state of the art radar system in Japan which apparently is supposed to track Ballistic Missile launches in North Korea . This apart from the ECHELON in Australia and similar SIGINT systems in other parts of SE Asia will help the US to keep a hawk eye on CHINA's every move.

    The US has scrapped the 3rd Stage ABM Program in Europe primarily because it is short of fund as it needs fund to bolster it's defense against CHINA .

    The US Secretary of State in his very first visit to Europe earlier this month has by and large indicated that the US military involvement in Europe (as we knew it after the end of WW II) is virtually over and that Europe needs to fend for itself militarily.
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    Post  gaurav on Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:35 pm

    Austin wrote:US Cancels 3rd Stage ABM Program in Europe , A precursor to further
    reduction in Nuclear Weapons between US and Russia as Obama has promised for second
    term , This should also put to rest on some ruffling feathers at Kremlin on 3rd
    stage Europen ABM Program
    Good move by U.S.
    With Kerry and Hagel at the top it is expected U.S will take similar measures
    to further reduce nuke stockpiles of U.S and Russsia.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:28 am

    Those plans will be reactivated if they found money to do it.

    Of course this situation is not bad for US also as they have been warning Europe to participate in its defense more and more repeatedly.

    Of course this could be Russia opportunity to push its own agenda and try to reach a agreement with EU about missile defense or

    possibly developed it together based on S-500 and S-300V4.
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    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:58 pm


    US Cancels 3rd Stage ABM Program in Europe , A precursor to further reduction in Nuclear Weapons between US and Russia as Obama has promised for second term , This should also put to rest on some ruffling feathers at Kremlin on 3rd stage Europen ABM Program



    Very Happy Worst covered strategic posture trap of entire military history.

    - NATO naive plan -

    Offer as "bait" a momentary freezing of last stage of East European ABM structure (aimed at find some type of strategic response to the enormous problem represented today by Topol-M and Yars ICBM Wink ), not offering moreover any type of legally binding guarantee on a possible future quick resuming of the plan (when the ABM technological basis will be, for US's scientific sector of the field, more solid) hoping to lure Federation in:


    1) Accepting a further strategic missile reduction bilateral Treaty (essential in "diluting" to the maximum the wide technological edge enjoyed by Russian Federation in ballistic missile technology and catch it in a true strategic bottle-neck, very difficult to overcome in the short period, when the last stage of ABM structure in Europe will be suddenly resumed).

    2) Relax R&D efforts and production plans for the perspective ballistic missiles programs under a momentary illusion of safety.

    3) Reduce number and operational deployment of sub-strategic nuclear weapons (and stop theirs modernization plan).

    4) Slow-down the development plans for perspective Air and Space Defensive systems (hoping ,so, also to obtaining a true offensive "capability surprise" with theirs future suborbital hypersonic global strike system Laughing Laughing ).



    Simply Ridiculous.


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    Post  Austin on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:08 pm

    Let see what RF has to say about it , RF was asking for legal gurantees which was not forthcoming and mere abandoning by Obama admin does not mean some future president wont resume it.

    Unless there is no legal gurantee RF should not fall to the trap , the abandoment might be a tactical move to save on cost and entice russia.

    meanwhile

    US Missile Defense Shift ‘No Way About’ Russia

    James Miller, Principal Deputy Under Secretary for Policy at the Department of Defense later clarified: "In the fourth phase, in the previous plan, we would have added some additional type of interceptors - the so-called SM-3 IIB - would have been added to the mix in Poland. We no longer intend to add them to the mix, but we'll continue to have the same number of deployed interceptors in Poland that will provide coverage for all of NATO in Europe."
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:35 am

    Good move by U.S.
    With Kerry and Hagel at the top it is expected U.S will take similar measures
    to further reduce nuke stockpiles of U.S and Russsia.

    The thing is that the US only sees things from its own perspective.

    I very much doubt Russia will actually be interested in reducing strategic nuclear weapons very much... perhaps 1,000 is their limit... it may even be the current 1,500 allowed by current treaties. Until the Russian military is rebuilt and fully functional I very much doubt they will want to reduce their tactical nuclear stockpile.

    Very simply the US has precision guided weapons that can perform missions previously only a tactical nuclear strike could achieve with any certainty. Russia has similar precision guided weapons but very few in service and even fewer trained to use them properly.

    At the end of the day Russia still needs nuclear weapons more than the US does... Russia doesn't have a large group of countries that will jump when they say jump, or invade or sanction when they say sanction.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:20 am

    Excellent insight mindstorm.

    Now I see, I did not even read the article carefully. US is cancelling only 4th phase and that to temporarily.

    No written guarantees is even mentioned. They did not said SM-3 IIB wont be developed at all. Basically nothing has changed.

    By the time 4th phase is scheduled, SM-3 IIb will be developed and jet there is still some time left to change their minds

    few more times and try to capitalize on their fictive offer to abandon EU ABM shield.

    Well Russia has spoken.

    Moscow Unimpressed by Changes in US Missile Defense Plans

    “That is not a concession to Russia, nor do we regard it as such,” Ryabkov said.

    “All aspects of strategic uncertainty related to the creation of a US and NATO missile defense system remain. Therefore, our objections also remain.”

    The rest of the article.

    LINK
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    Post  Sujoy on Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:16 pm

    Moscow needs explanations on US missile shield changes

    The United States should explain to Russia what changes it made in its European missile defense plans before Moscow draws its conclusion, a Defense Ministry official said on Tuesday.

    US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said at a news conference on Friday that plans to place upgraded missile interceptors in Poland are being abandoned and that 14 new interceptors will be placed on the US West Coast instead.
    “The US statement needs a very serious explanation. We need to hold negotiations to understand what this statement is about, what the United States is scrapping in particular and what is eventually implementing. Only after this we will be drawing conclusions,” said Sergei Koshelev, the head of the ministry's Military Cooperation Department.

    Commenting on the issue, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Monday in an interview with Kommersant daily, that US changes in the missile defense plans had nothing to do with Moscow’s national security concerns.

    Russia and NATO initially agreed to cooperate on the so-called European missile defense system at the Lisbon summit in November 2010. However, further talks between Russia and the alliance have floundered over NATO’s refusal to grant Russia legal guarantees that the system would not be aimed against Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrent.

    NATO and the United States insist the shield is designed to defend NATO members against missiles from emerging threat nations like North Korea and Iran, and would not be directed at Russia. The alliance has vowed to continue developing and deploying its missile defenses, regardless of the status of missile defense cooperation with Russia.

    19/03/2013 - RIA Novosti
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    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:15 pm

    Q&A Session on Recent Developments in U.S. and NATO Missile Defense with Dr. Yousaf Butt and Dr. George Lewis
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    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:00 am

    Makes an interesting read

    U.S.-NATO Missile System: First-Strike Potential Aimed At Russia

    Vladimir Kozin is a member of an interagency working group attached to the Russian presidential administration discussing missile defense issues with NATO, and is a leading researcher with the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:21 am



    China shares Russian concerns over US missile defense plans


    Military-technical cooperation with China was developing progressively and was oriented “at the development of state-of-the art arms and hardware”

    MOSCOW, November 29. /ITAR-TASS/. China shared Russian concerns about US missile defense plans, Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said on Friday.
    “Our dialogue with China on missile defense is very important," he told a media briefing at Itar-Tass news agency. "Our colleagues from the People’s Republic of China have the same concerns on US global missile defense plans.”
    Military-technical cooperation with China was developing progressively and was oriented “at the development of state-of-the art arms and hardware”, Antonov said, telling reporters that earlier in the year, the Chinese president visited the defense ministry, the first-ever by a Chinese leader.
    “Following instructions from our countries’ leaders, co-operation between the defense ministries of Russia and China has received an additional boost,” the deputy minister said, noting that the joint naval exercise Sea Co-operation in July and the anti-terrorist exercise Peace Mission 2013 from July to August were culminating points in military co-operation this year.
    Focusing on military and military-technical co-operation between Russia and India, Antonov said transfer of the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya to the Indian navy was “the milestone event of the year”.
    “When the Indian defense minister visited Moscow, agreements were reached to continue regular joint exercises and to continue negotiations between the headquarters on adding global and regional security to their agendas,” he said.


    ITAR - TASS News Agency

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/709553




    The Chinese trump card, apparently as of last May the Chinese obtained sensitive information on everything from the F-35, The Global Hawk, Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, Patriot Advanced Capability-3, Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System, Warfighter Information Network-Tactical, Navy Standard Missile (SM-2,3,6), Electronic Warfare systems, Satellite Communications, Software code, and other systems. This is according to the Washington Post, which quoted the Defense Science Board which is the front group for Andrew "Yoda" Marshall of the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment.

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-05-27/world/39558011_1_designs-air-vehicles-technologies


    Let's not forget that in the past China obtained sensitive information on the B-2 bomber, and a whole plethora of US-made ICBM's. The Pentagon really screwed up now that the Russian Federation's Strategic Nuclear Forces through China can now access the United States' THAAD, AEGIS, PAC-3 SAM, ICBM's, Standard Missile systems blueprints and tech and further weaken NATO's thinly-veiled threat called the European Missile Shield. Don't rule out China's ability in aiding it's allies with military tech.

    Case-in-point, the Iranian's just developed a SAM system that looks remarkably like the U.S. PAC-3 SAM system, I wonder how that happened.  Wink:

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    Post  Lombard on Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:54 am

    No worries, in Poland our newspaper published several times our rockets do not have as far range or strength as your guys' Iskander,
    so we wouldn't even try.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:06 pm

    A better title is Polish government gets minor revenge against Russia by allowing the US to add paranoia and fear by building an ABM system in Europe.

    Poland gets to annoy Russia so it does it, the US gets to annoy Russia so they do it and it is a chance for Poland to prove to Russia it can no longer control Poland and for the US to remind Russia it is surrounded by hostile governments if not hostile populations.

    The result is that it reinforces to Russia that there are only a few potential allies in Europe and that south and east are better places to look for trading partners and allies.

    It also means that to counter these US systems that Russia will build more capable systems and will stop reducing nuclear strategic weapon stockpiles via New START and will also likely want to keep it tactical nuclear stockpile too.

    It will also spend money upgrading its military capability.
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    Post  nemrod on Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    It also means that to counter these US systems that Russia will build more capable systems and will stop reducing nuclear strategic weapon stockpiles via New START and will also likely want to keep it tactical nuclear stockpile too.

    It will also spend money upgrading its military capability.

    The problem is not with weapon system vs another, the problem is with polish leaders since 1940.
    As Poland has chance to be situated between the strong Germany, and Russia, polish leaders thinks again they could reestablished the great polish empire they had several centuries ago. As for example, now, if the mongol leaders nowadays dreams the same Genghis Khan's empire. It is completly stupide, and non sense.

    Polish leaders did not understand they were since 1940, a kind of Garbage collector between Moscow, Berlin, Washington, London, Paris.
    It is the Poland that started the second world war in 1940, hoping that frencheese, and british soldiers triggered a war against Hitler.
    Finally, what was the result? A huge disaster for Europe, and uncommonly, for Poland, it was left to Stalin.
    But what did the stupid polish leaders believe in that time ? Did they think that Roosevelt, Gen Marshall, Morgenthau calculate Poland ? Everybody fed up with the death Sikorsky, everybody fed up who kill Sikorsky, what it was certain, Roosevelt and Stalin, Morgenthau, and Molotov, Lidvinuv, Beria shared between them Europe, and the world.
    US has no friends in the world, just interrests, only interrrests. Poland lost a high cost.

    It was the same think with Walesa, he thougt he, and Poland were importants, however, once the Soviet Union fell, who thought, who took care to Poland ?  Walesa stupidly whimpered to the president G. H. Bush-ex CIA director, he knew very well what Walesa was in reality- for a help, he asked in that time -1991- 10 billions $. Well in french expression we said President G. H. Bush sent him file -il l'a envoyé chier-. Poland had to fight against economic crisis, untill now.

    Now, the story reapeats itself, declining US looking for a turkey in Europ, they found Poland's leaders, baltic -which are all, but not countries, they are part of Russia-states' leaders. The goal for Poland is to provoke Russia, behind the scene are US.
    You notice the extreme german's caution. Germany is strongly - http://in.rbth.com/news/2014/03/31/german_foreign_minister_says_return_to_cold_war_inadmissible_34153.html - against any confrontation with Russia, as german leaders are well aware that their interrest are with Russia.

    How could Poland, baltic countries exist if they did not play the false card of hostility against Russia ?
    If a war is triggered between West and East -that is totally unlikely- the worst looser this time will be Poland, and Baltic countries.

    I hope the polish politics  will realize one day that most of their leaders -excepts katzinski, who mysteriously died in Russia- since 1990, they were most of all travelling salesman of US capitalism. And all these TS men are despised by the US, because, finally what is most important for US, is Russia. US has no friends, but just interests. Do not die for US.

    Let's hope that polish leaders realize quickly, as understood the president Katsinsky-is it for this reason he was assassined ?-, that their interrest is to live in peace with Russia. Russia will be the next superpower, Russia will be the next future for all europeans. I guess that, many european leaders are thinking about. And it exists many polish politcians who have the wisdom to realize that.
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    Post  Regular on Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:57 pm

    Waste of money. They should buy those systems and rather concentrate on more pressing issues like more investment in tanks.
    Russia is unbeatable when it comes in missile technology, not by Poland defiantly
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    Post  nemrod on Thu May 22, 2014 1:14 pm

    Not a bad news. But, is it a news ?

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_22/Missile-defense-system-fails-in-US-last-summer-nuke-drills-security-compromised-4239/
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    Post  sweetflowers365 on Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:34 am

    Hi all,

    Do russian weapons have capability to destroy anti missile defense system ?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:11 am

    sweetflowers365 wrote:Hi all,

    Do russian weapons have capability to destroy anti missile defense system ?

    Yes, easily.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:30 am

    sweetflowers365 wrote:Hi all,

    Do russian weapons have capability to destroy anti missile defense system ?

    Most modern anti missile defense systems are based upon defeating usually missiles like Scuds or other IRBM's. Although, SM-3BII is supposed to be able to deal with shorter ICBM's theoretically. THAAD very similar. But, all of these systems are specific to the type of systems they are to be worked against, and in most tests, they already knew trajectory and where it was going to land, thus it was easier to shoot down. Also, there is a belief that the numbers are fabricated in terms of how effective they are. But that is up for debate.

    That being said, all such systems are usually a launcher platform, with radar systems to detect, track and guide missile to the target. These such systems are susceptible to anti radiation missiles, which usually fly lower, thus harder to detect and engage. So they would need to have secondary systems to protect such sites, but usually they don't or are maybe effective against some targets and not supersonic cruise missiles. There is a belief too that because Iskander flies at a quasi ballistic path, it is harder for such ABM systems to be able to engage it.

    So I would say yes. But that same thing can be said about any other country who has cruise missiles, and or smart munitions.
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    Post  sweetflowers365 on Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:17 pm

    all these weapons can be made by Company , I am planning t build a system which can easily be build and destory tanks and aircraft, Like Tanks Have Iron shield, IF we can Fire Electricity on it with high voltage, will they kill the people inside tank with electricity current ?
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:25 am

    The outside of the vehicle will act like a faraday cage which will protect those inside as long as they are not touching metal themselves... a bit like a person in a car being relatively safe from lightning.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:43 am

    Makei: Euro ABM deployment will disrupt the balance of forces in Europe

    MINSK, 18 November (BelTA) – The deployment of the European antiballistic missile defense system (Euro ABM) is much likely to disrupt the balance of forces in Europe, Foreign Minister of Belarus Vladimir Makei said following the joint meeting of the Foreign Ministries of Belarus and Russia on 18 November, belta has learned.

    “In this respect we need measures for a corresponding response,” Vladimir Makei said. In his words, today's meeting highlighted the issues of international security and arms control.

    According to Vladimir Makei, the parties expressed readiness for closer cooperation in order to strengthen the positions of the two countries in the international arena as well as in favor of strengthening integration in the Union State and other formats. He stressed that Belarus and Russia continue their fruitful cooperation in the UN. The meeting in Minsk also discussed cooperation in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, including the advancement of the Eurasian Economic Union there.

    The two countries are also ready to advance the joint declaration on the 70th anniversary of the end of WWII on the OSCE platform.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:06 pm

    Missile defense deployment in Romania against European security — Russian Foreign Ministry

    US offial said that the interceptor missiles the USA is planning to deploy at the American airbase in Deveselu by the end of 2015 are among other things targeting potential threats from Russia.

    MOSCOW, December 17. /TASS/. Steps towards further militarisation of south-eastern Europe, including missile defense deployment in Romania, run counter to the interests of regional and European security and stability, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said on Wednesday.

    He commented on statements by Chairman of the US House Intelligence Committee Mike Rogers on the “great shield” in Deveselu, Romania.

    Rogers told Romanian Realitatea TV Channel that the interceptor missiles the USA is planning to deploy at the American airbase in Deveselu by the end of 2015 are among other things targeting potential threats from Russia.

    “Thus, the American legislator confirmed the validity of Moscow’s doubts that the ‘missile defense shield’ being created by the US is designed to be used for the purposes that Washington declared,” Lukashevich said.

    “The role assigned to Romania to service the regular American project is hardly as honourable as it is presented,” he said.

    “Bucharest’s involvement in another American project that was confirmed in the US Senate recent report on tortures in secret CIA prisons in other countries has put Romanian officials, who were forced to decline journalists’ questions, in a rather awkward position,” Lukashevich said.
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    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:52 pm

    US missile defense system cannot intercept Russian strategic missiles: deputy PM

    “Neither the current nor even prospective American missile defense system can stop or challenge Russian strategic missile potential,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said

    MOSCOW, January 26. /TASS/. The American missile defense system is unable to counter Russia’s strategic missiles, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Monday.

    Neither the current nor even prospective American missile defense system can stop or challenge Russian strategic missile potential,” Rogozin said in a program on the Rossiya 1 TV channel.

    However, the deputy prime minister declined to specify any technical characteristics of Russia’s strategic missiles.

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