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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:43 pm

    There are many people saying that 9/11 was a zionist conspiracy. Apparently the juice decided to stuff the trade centre buildings with TNT and explode them and then put the blame on the muslims and giving incentive for operation iraqi occupation, afghanistan and more occupation options in palestine for the zionists.

    Cool story but I find it hard to believe in
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    Post  TR1 Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:48 pm

    Many people think people never landed on the Moon too Wink
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:30 am

    Why would the buildings need to have TNT packed into them for what happened to happen?

    I would think a fully fuelled jet aircraft which is basically aluminium and fuel would be the ideal fire starter.

    The intense heat concentrated on a few floors burning for a while is bound to weaken the structure... when the floors above it eventually collapse due to gravity then it would be a natural consequence the whole building would collapse... the top floors weighing probably quite a few hundred tons more than most buildings are designed to have dropped on them.

    Osama had been trying to knock those buildings down for years, why does it require some sort of inside job or zionist jew conspiracy?

    I feel Occams razor applies here. The simplest explanation that fits the facts is most likely the correct solution... no need for conspiracies of the US government or Israel.
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    Post  Corrosion Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:05 pm

    There is no way a plane could have fitted into Pentagon building according to initial pictures of a small hole. No idea who did it but US Govt reports are definitely incorrect IMVFHO.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:39 am

    Aircraft are very fragile things and if it hit at an odd angle the resulting hole could be rather small.

    Lets face it... the American governments beef with Wikileaks and that guy they have held in solitary confinement till they can execute him is that they need to be able to lie about everything... in such circumstances how can one criticism conspiracy theorists?

    Of course having said that, I don't believe 11/9 was an inside job and I know men have landed on the moon... the US government simply isn't that well organised to create and pull off such effective hoaxes.
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:49 pm

    So you believing the bigger conspiracy theory of the government?

    That 19 "terrorists" with carpet cutters with no flying experience have hijacked two big boeings wich are only allowed for pilots with at least 2500 hours of flight experience, they managed to foolish NORAD on a day where they already had planes in the sky for an "exercise" for the same scenario of hijacked planes, and were disoriantated by the SHORAD administration and coordination headquarter to fly in a wrong direction. So this 19 carpet cutter terrorists managed to foolish NORAD, managed it to fly the plane in NoE flight of a boeing 767 without losing AOA effect and stalling into the ground.

    The planes hit the buildings WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7... hold on no WTC 7 just collapsed without plane hit but through demolition wich is caught on tape and is 100% evidence that it was demolished.
    So this planes have hit the buildings damaged the grids, doesn't matter how hard they were damaged, the plane were seperated in lot of small pieces through the grids and other objects, the jet fuel was "divided" all over 3-4 floors into a kind of a cloud (aerosol) wich is much more flammable than a puddle of jet fuel, like they have used to justify their theory that building would collapse.
    So at that point after the impact the jet fuel vaporized to at least 80% because of the cloud, seenable on the fireball on the exit whole of the building.
    So this rests of jet fuel wich were blown over the whole area and not concentrated, was enough to weakening the steel grids wich were made to withstand several plane hits, also wich were covered with open fire resistent fiberglass and a two layers foile and the flameresistant painting, wich are standards since 40s for all buildings.

    So this weakened steel grids through the impact they maybe had bend by side to avoid the force of the plane and of course weakened through the "open fire" the whole upper floor collapsed and rammed itselfs through the whole belower part of the WTC building and just ignored all physical laws like the Law of least resistance and just smashed itself in freefall speed through the building.

    And all that was organized and planned by Osama Bin Laden wich was in hospital during this time and recieved his dialyse for his kidney disease.


    And all facts and evidences wich are physical Dogmas! Are ignored or tried to disproof to foolish the light impressed people.

    Molten steel was found in the cellar wich were not created by scavanging work and also jet fuel can't melt steel. BTW this molten steel was still hot.
    Explosions were caught on tape. Before the plane hit the building!
    Also Explosions were caught on tape after the building started to collapse, several floors down the collapsing cloud of dust,dirt and wrecks are seenable explosions wich come from inside the building.
    Eyewitnesses have reported about several explosions before the plane hit the building in the cellar.
    Seismographs have registred the explosions before the moment where the planes hit the building.
    After the buildings were hit few people have used cameras on tripods and caught the explosions on tape, wich were recognizable through camera shaking several seconds before the buildings started to collapsing.
    On this day when refering to official government conspiracy theory, the physics law the Law of least resistance disappeared.
    WTC7 was demolished without any single doubt.


    As an atheist, i am convienced to those theory wich is the most plausible and backed up with credible facts and evidences, like scientists do.
    As long something isn't falsified it's standing.

    And for that point, the official story is falsified by several points and the biggest point is the Law of least resistance, than nothing absolutely nothing wich stands under physics laws will choose the biggest resistance to pass its way. Handgrenades have breaking points like the old "Pineapple" grenade just to use this physics law to lead the fragmentations of a grenade.

    This inside job was used as a false flag by US intelligence agencies wich are not working for the US and that is definetley not new to anyone of you.
    The biggest profit out of this happening had Israel, since 9/11 all muslims are diabolized to justify all military intervention and all Sacntions and Embargoos to weakaning all Arabic states around Israel.
    As long this countries are weak and discoordinated from inside, Israel is always profiting from that to establish and push its illegal settlement policy further,because to many people today are brainwashed and i personally often have seen how people cheer when they see in news how palestinians get blown of by israeli airstrikes, or USA (NATO) doing this in Iraq,Afghanistan or through drones strikes everywhere else in ME, they cheer and make fun of dead people.
    This is a further evidence that this 9/11 false flag has achieved its goal to brainwash people to believe muslims are all terrorists and its ok to kill them whenever they want.

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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:26 am

    IDK but we all know what happened after.. look at GarryB's sig. So even if Occam's Razor doesn't apply here, and they are that good and organized to plan and implement this conspiracy, we can't say the same for their foresight. However if they really planned on driving themselves to the ground then I'd give them that.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:01 am

    Anti terrorist drills generally focused on getting the hijackers to land and then to have long drawn out negotiations to deal with the hijackers. No one was expecting them to use aircraft as bombs.

    A jet has lots of hot parts and lots of aviation fuel... concentrate those inside a sky scraper that already contains lots of flammable material and you get a couple of really good fires. As oxygen and more fuel within the building feeds the flames they will get hotter and hotter till they undermine the structural integrity of the building.

    The original plan was to fly a plane into a building as a statement... I very much doubt they expected the buildings to collapse.

    Flying a plane is like steering a car... keep the throttle up and don't try to pull any extreme manouvers and you will generally be fine. The hard bits are taking off and landing and they didn't have to do either
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    Post  Corrosion Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:Aircraft are very fragile things and if it hit at an odd angle the resulting hole could be rather small.

    When that same fragile plane hit towers they went "in" including wings, which made their own way into tower structure.I expect pentagon building to be a lot dense but still. If the wings etc. didnt go "in", their fragments should have been outside and those burning fragments would have turned that lawn in front into dark brown(not green anymore). Just take a look at this http://stevenhager420.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/pentagon911.jpg

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/html/pentagon-010911-356243.htm

    Where do you think wings with engines would have hit?


    Of course having said that, I don't believe 11/9 was an inside job and I know men have landed on the moon... the US government simply isn't that well organised to create and pull off such effective hoaxes.
    Maybe true. But there are organized agencies out there who can do stuff.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:33 pm

    The official story and how it all happened, is completley bullshit.

    Just from physics law the buildings had to collapse to the side and not ignoring every existing physics law and ramming through the highest resistance force you can imagine.
    The building structure couldn't be weakend for the below part of the building through fire, fire goes upwards...
    And even just for one second the below building had to resist the upper falling part, but no it was freefall speed and that is impossible and physics laws doesn't change on US soil.

    Even further only the upper part had to collapse that this False Flag story had to be any plausible fundament.
    At least one of those buildings had either to stand straight, like all buildings around the world withstanded open fire without collapsing and even Empire State Building wich was hit by an Bomber and burned for much longer time never collapsed. No, but one of those buildings had to withstand this or either to collapse like every building that collapse "Uncontrolled" to the side.

    Either we believe this official bullshit story and in all physics books we have to write that on 11.09.2001 all physics laws disappeared magicaly or we put out investigations real independend investigations.

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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:13 pm

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    Post  TR1 Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:35 pm

    Actually quite a few demolitions experts have examined the evidence, and the overwhelming majority deny any conspiracy possibility in the buildings destruction...
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    Post  Corrosion Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:45 am

    TR1 wrote:Actually quite a few demolitions experts have examined the evidence, and the overwhelming majority deny any conspiracy possibility in the buildings destruction...
    Why did third building collapse?? Official answer: Because of damage caused by fallen tower.

    How did taller tower collapse?
    Official answer: Because of burning jet fuel.




    So according to official answer: Fire made building 7 collapse, which was fueled by burning furniture etc. Must have unlimited supply of Burning furniture. So one can light up furniture on fire on multiple levels in a high rise building and it will fall down efficiently. Rolling Eyes Why don't those demolition experts start using fire instead of carefully/calculatingly planted explosives?
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    Post  TR1 Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:09 am

    "Why don't those demolition experts start using fire instead of carefully/calculatingly planted explosives?"

    Probably to avoid the exact kind of nearby damage that happened @ 9/11 ?
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:03 am

    How was building 7 destroyed?
    How far was it from the twin towers.? If a plane didnt hit and certainly none of the twin towers collapsed upon it is there a legitimate reason it collaped?
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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:57 pm

    Suspect Such nonsense, same type of people put tinfoil hats on and claim and that Beslan, apartment bombings was staged by Mosad, CZV, KGB or even Putin himself. American politics are dirty as they can be but no way they could do that on themselves. Must be lizard people, yeah
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:47 am

    The amusing thing is that their worldwide spying network called Echelon missed this plot because it was in the US... the one place they didn't listen to all electronic activity.

    I don't think 11/9 was a plot by zionists or anyone else... except by OBL... it was known he had been planning and attacking the WTC for some time.

    I simply don't see the payoff for the zionists or any one else for that matter... if there was explosives in the building as part of the structure... why would you need the planes?
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    Post  Regular Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:00 am

    Now You can't travel with a train without being checked by TSA. It's crazy how it changed their feel of invinciblety. But I see they are making same mistake again - supporting terrorists to do dirty work. Where is WAR ON TERROR now? Will they learn?
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    Post  Austin Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:49 pm

    Regular wrote:Now You can't travel with a train without being checked by TSA. It's crazy how it changed their feel of invinciblety. But I see they are making same mistake again - supporting terrorists to do dirty work. Where is WAR ON TERROR now? Will they learn?

    Havent seen more Hippocratic position on terrorism then US has.

    They support rebels in Syria and let its Wahabi Allies like Saudi and Bharain fund terrorism there to bring down Assad , then they would complain how terrorism is on rise in ME and all over.

    2 deacade back they supported Freedom Fighter to fight Soviet then those same guy did 9/11 and US ended fighting with them again .....now its a deadlock situation.

    They Attacked Iraq in the guise of N Weapon found none and in past decade they killed 15 lack iraqi in a secterian battle and it costed then $ 2 trillion .......now Iraq is hot bed of terrorist which was absent in Sadams era.

    US CIA funded Chechenia terrorist in Russia in mid 90's

    Most funny thing is inpite of all that happened to US and its citizen they dont seem to learn .......all the while their Economy is in Shambles ....and colapsing due to high debt.
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    Post  BTRfan Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:55 am

    This is the BEST 911 documentary.

    It documents involvement of Israeli companies, the "dancing Israelis" who were filming the event and declared "we were told to come here and document the event," the Israeli message service that warned the Jews in the Towers not to go to work, the Israeli firm that rented an entire floor in one of the Two Towers and never moved in [but they moved hundreds of boxes in, but no workers/personnel], the Israeli security firm that was given a contract to screen at the airports, another Israeli security company that handled security at the towers.


    http://www.911missinglinks.com/



    “What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it’s headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.”

    Dr. Alan Sabrosky – Ph.D, University of Michigan, Former Director of Studies at the Army War College

    “All the intelligence services of America and Europe… know full well that the disastrous attack ( of 9/11 ) has been planned and realized from the Mossad.. with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the Western Powers to? take part… in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    Francesco Cossiga – the 43rd Prime Minister and the eighth President of the Italy. He was also a professor of constitutional law at the University of Sassari. (now deceased)

    “For the best and bravest documentary about Israeli false flag terror, watch filmmaker Mike Delaney’s 9/11 Missing Links.”

    Capt Eric May – Former Army Intelligence (with specialties in nuclear, biological and chemical warfare, military intelligence and public affairs), Staff Writer For VeteransTodays.com (He is also a former NBC editorial writer who has published widely, from Military Intelligence Magazine to The Wall Street Journal)


    “Now you will discover the definitive truth about 9/11 and learn why even the most popular movies on the subject have failed to address the evidence exhaustively presented in this video. The facts will make it abundantly clear that the so-called 9/11 “Truth” movement has been infiltrated and is ultimately controlled by the same criminal group who masterminded the attacks. As they say, ‘if you want to control the dissent, you lead the dissent.’ Utilizing evidence from the FBI, CIA, NSA, US Armed Forces Intelligence sectors, Foreign Intelligence organizations, local law enforcement agencies and independent investigators, Missing Links goes where no other 9/11 video has dared to.”

    You are not alone:




    http://www.911missinglinks.com/watch-movie/
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    Post  BTRfan Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:24 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:How was building 7 destroyed?
    How far was it from the twin towers.? If a plane didnt hit and certainly none of the twin towers collapsed upon it is there a legitimate reason it collaped?

    Building 7 was about 200 meters away from the Twin Towers, at least 200 meters away.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:09 am

    Several video footage compiled ,suggest the planes ,that crashed in the buildings ,
    was fabricated fakes by main stream media, and what in the buildings was rigged bombs.


    Just like the question of the technology used to bring down the towers, the question of the technology used to fake the planes is still not completely answered. Yet I think that, on the basis of what we know, the non-existence of flights AA11 and UA175 (including their passengers, of course) is a far more reasonable hypothesis than their existence. The issue does matter, because the murder weapon is often the surest clue leading to the murderer. If there were no planes, we don’t need to waste energy searching for what kind of planes they were and who or what flew them. We just need to ask: Who controls what we see on television? And we know the answer to that question, don’t we? wrote:

    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/


    This is another example , how closely integrated was the government story telling
    with the corrupt mainstream media. All big corporate media ,and a few hired actors, played a key role into deceiving the world ,that planes crashed into the buildings. It was bombs inside what caused the
    explosions ,but no actual planes crashed into the buildings.

    The missing persons in the missing planes ,could be part of the circus . The pentagon actually had a plane that flew towards it , according to another very good independent investigation. but the plane did not crash ,it fly over it , and was used to simulate a crash , to make it look it crashed ,but it didn't and fly over the building ,and was covered by the smoke . The entire thing was a circus in the entire day. and building 7 not even was officially in the gov narrative hit by any plane , but still collapsed to the floor ,in a controlled demolition way , perhaps felt lonely and missed the the buildings that collapsed. Rolling Eyes

    The entire 911 thing ,was scripted like a bad special effect movie , but it still achieved its purposes in deceiving the world , thanks to big media and actors with federal government help to make it look America was attacked by afghan talibans from caves , but it was all an inside job. If american government can do such as attack thousands of their own people , in new york ,to justify endless wars , then it was a matter of time ,they will do even more criminal things.. as they did in syria and now a biowar against the world.

    This is more evidence ,why people can't blindly trust what their major institutions tells them , specially in the west. weather is political institutions , religious , scientific or health industry ,  They are all controlled by the big money and powerful forces ,one way or another .
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    Post  andalusia Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:39 am

    Vann7 wrote:Several video footage compiled ,suggest the planes ,that crashed in the buildings ,
    was fabricated fakes by main stream media, and what in the buildings was rigged bombs.





    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/


    This is another example , how closely integrated was the government story telling
    with the corrupt mainstream media. All big corporate media ,and a few hired actors, played a key role into deceiving the world ,that planes crashed into the buildings. It was bombs inside what caused the
    explosions ,but no actual planes crashed into the buildings.

    The missing persons in the missing planes ,could be part of the circus . The pentagon actually had a plane that flew towards it , according to another very good independent investigation. but the plane did not crash ,it fly over it , and was used to simulate a crash , to make it look it crashed ,but it didn't and fly over the building ,and was covered by the smoke . The entire thing was a circus in the entire day. and building 7 not even was officially in the gov narrative hit by any plane , but still collapsed to the floor ,in a controlled demolition way , perhaps felt lonely and missed the the buildings that collapsed. Rolling Eyes

    The entire 911 thing ,was scripted like a bad special effect movie , but it still achieved its purposes in deceiving the world , thanks to big media and actors with federal government help to make it look America was attacked by afghan talibans from caves , but it was all an inside job. If american government can do such as attack thousands of their own people , in new york ,to justify endless wars , then it was a matter of time ,they will do even more criminal things.. as they did in syria and now a biowar against the world.

    This is more evidence ,why people can't blindly trust what their major institutions tells them , specially in the west. weather is political institutions , religious , scientific or health industry ,  They are all controlled by the big money and powerful forces ,one way or another .



    usually don't read this site but say this about 9/11.  I usually don't believe in the conspiracy theories of 9/11 but this is pretty convincing:

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1341980/

    This should have millions of views:





    What happened to the crews on 9/11:

    https://911passengers.blogspot.com/

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