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    P-500 Bazalt / P-1000 Vulcan

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:18 pm

    George1 wrote:Modernized P-1000 Vulkan missiles with range up to 1000 km installed in Marshal Ustinov Slava class cruiser

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/248867.html

    I really don't understand those people who think the Moskva and Varyag shouldn't be similarly upgraded. Armed with 16x P-1000s these big boys are each capable for gutting a CBG from 1000kms distance.  They are worthy of respect and their simple presence in a defending fleet with give the Seppostanis a few sleepless nights.

    Upgrading Ustinov = money well spent
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    Post  Isos on Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:02 pm

    P-500/700/1000 are easy targets for modern air defences. They are huge and their speed are not enough to go through anymore. Mach 2 isn't that good anymore.

    The S-300 on them are less capable than Gorshkov's poliment/redut, specially against attacks from multiple sides because they have just one tracking radar.

    Their modernization would need to include angled uksk, a new mast with 4 phased array radar and add 48N6/9M96 missiles. A real modernization.

    With 2 modernized Kirov, 3 Slava, Udaloys with UKSK and Oscars/Akulas also with kalibrs that would make them a very potent task group against modern navies.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:32 pm

    Isos wrote:P-500/700/1000 are easy targets for modern air defences. They are huge and their speed are not enough to go through anymore. Mach 2 isn't that good anymore.

    The S-300 on them are less capable than Gorshkov's poliment/redut, specially against attacks from multiple sides because they have just one tracking radar.

    Their modernization would need to include angled uksk, a new mast with 4 phased array radar and add 48N6/9M96 missiles. A real modernization.

    With 2 modernized Kirov, 3 Slava, Udaloys with UKSK and Oscars/Akulas also with kalibrs that would make them a very potent task group against modern navies.

    You're assuming that the only possible targets for P-500/1000 are a fully-functional USN CBG. There are plenty of potential adversaries that don't have the USN AD to hide behind.  In any case, against the USN the obvious tactic is to degrade the Seppo flotilla defenses with the more modern hypersonics and supersonics (and torpedos) and then move in for the coup de grace with the big CVN busters. No matter US arrogance, its always easier to attack a large ship on the open ocean than it is to defend, and against mass use of modern hypersonics i don't see the USN defenses as credible.

    A single tracking radar for Fort-M is hardly a problem given it is a long range system. You point it at where the enemy is... if the RuN commanders are dumb enough to place themselves between multiple enemy carrier forces then part of me thinks they deserve what they get..

    The modernisation you suggest would suck in a veritable fuck-ton of cash that would be better spent on new ships. They simply need to be able to operate with the new ships and integrated combat systems to take advantage of a distributed battleground and remote sensors. They don't need to be technologically equal to the 22350s. They just need to be able to work with them and carry around a big salvo of carrier killers. They are best considered as a 2nd echelon vessel to support the modern ships.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:08 pm

    Considering how the west was always so sure that they could easily counter the P15 Termit, and how many humiliating failures they
    experienced tyring to do so, I would not so readily discard the Vulkans.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:53 am

    P-500/700/1000 are easy targets for modern air defences. They are huge and their speed are not enough to go through anymore. Mach 2 isn't that good anymore.

    They were never intended to be fired one at a time at anything... and their physical size means they actually are the size of small fighter aircraft... the amount of active and passive jammers that can be fitted to them has probably only massively increased.

    Obviously they are not good enough to be the standard AShW for the Russian Navy, but they aren't...

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