Icebreakers

According to what I've read, the Artika class are actually "auxillary cruisers".
They have special space for arnaments and were built with fire control radar.
This equipment is still onboard and also kept in storage onshore. This makes them pretty amazing creations, and ones most people would prob not know about.

I wonder if the new icebreakers will be built in a similar way. I think that would make perfect sense. Bearing in mind the Arctic is in some ways "the new frontier".

Icebreaking fleet will be inreased from 5 to 7 ships, including 3 nuclear till 2020.

http://military-industry.ru/fleet/3724.

http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/2015/02/09-3738645-bz.jpg

Big photo of the 22600 icebreaker @ BZ. Supposedly work has resumed after the long hiatus caused by the design bureau cock up.

http://bastion-opk.ru/Balt_zavod/

Uh oh! Baltic Shipyards wants to re-negotiate contract for the large diesel and nuclear icebreakers, due to change in Ruble's value.
While the work is completely in Russia, the ships need a number of foreign parts that cannot be substituted in Russia.

TR1 wrote:http://bastion-opk.ru/Balt_zavod/

Uh oh!  Baltic Shipyards wants to re-negotiate contract for the large diesel and nuclear icebreakers, due to change in Ruble's value.
While the work is completely in Russia, the ships need a number of foreign parts that cannot be substituted in Russia.

Cannot or will not?  Cannot is silly, as no one is incapable of building something in their country, as long as there is investment and development in that field.

As well, there is an error in that article, about value of ruble. It is 61rub to usd, not 71.

Cannot within economical reason or time-frames, obviously.

The ship is horrible behind schedule as is.

TR1 wrote:Cannot within economical reason or time-frames, obviously.

The ship is horrible behind schedule as is.

Both diesel and nuclear? It is only 1 shipyard making them?

The diesel one is behind by years, since construction was completely stopped because of design faults (weight).
Supposedly those problems are/in the process of being fixed, but now these latest issues are not helping.

The ship was supposed to be finished in 2015, as you can see that is wrong by years at this point.

TR1 wrote:The diesel one is behind by years, since construction was completely stopped because of design faults (weight).
Supposedly those problems are/in the process of being fixed, but now these latest issues are not helping.

The ship was supposed to be finished in 2015, as you can see that is wrong by years at this point.

But this is the only shipyard making them?

Hopefully, after all these faults, they will be able to build the others on time and on budget.

Well if it was being built in a baltic state I would say cancel, but as it is being produced in St Petersberg then work out how much extra is needed and if foreign parts are really essential and then pay the extra money.

If it is already delayed then delay it a little further and get all Russian parts.

sepheronx wrote:

TR1 wrote:The diesel one is behind by years, since construction was completely stopped because of design faults (weight).
Supposedly those problems are/in the process of being fixed, but now these latest issues are not helping.

The ship was supposed to be finished in 2015, as you can see that is wrong by years at this point.

But this is the only shipyard making them?

Hopefully, after all these faults, they will be able to build the others on time and on budget.

Baltic Shipyards, yes. The LK-25 and LK-60 are all being built there.

The weight problem was not even theirs, but the design bureau's.
And ruble devaluation is hardly their fault either.

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/60230/

The icebreaker Murmansk, third of the 21900M class has been launched at Helsinki.

For once a series of ships is actually progressing nicely in Russia.

TR1 wrote:http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/60230/

The icebreaker Murmansk, third of the 21900M class has been launched at Helsinki.

For once a series of ships is actually progressing nicely in Russia.

lol. Thanks for the down-vote oh butthurt Russia tard. Give me another!

http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/105250.html

Trouble in paradise .

Due to gross mistakes the LK-25 icebreaker design was overweight by 2500 (lol) tons.

Further, the LK-16 under construction @ Viborg is delayed.

Russia gonna Russia.

LK-16 is delayed due to lack of funding that was supposed to be sent to the parts suppliers - that is what I got from that article.  As for being overweighed by 2500 tons, well, that may pose as a problem unless they can work with that.  Other than that, dunno how one can fix that issue unless converting the ship for other purposes.

Edit: NVM

Uh, no.

It was delayed because the ship's plans were horribly messed up and made the ship grossly overweight- which in turn necessitated a redesign that screwed up the ships qualities overall. That is why it took them so many years to start construction again-though by the sound of it is unclear exactly what they are doing right now anyways, since returning to the original project plans is impossible.  

If the plans were sound, we would be talking about much shorter delays.

All in all a huge cock-up. Who knows how it will end.

Ofc this is all supreme irony considering the name of the ship lol.

EDIT: We are talking about different ships.
LK-16 is not "terribly" delayed, at least not by Russan standard. The class is a modernization of two earlier built icebreakers anwyays, so for them to mess up by 2500 tons on the 21900M would have been even more epic.
Chernomyrdin is project 22600.

LK-16 is having issues with the shipyard actually making a profit on the contract. Seems to be a shockingly common occurrence in MOD contracts with the domestic ship industry...

TR1 wrote:Uh, no.

It was delayed because the ship's plans were horribly messed up and made the ship grossly overweight- which in turn necessitated a redesign that screwed up the ships qualities overall. That is why it took them so many years to start construction again-though by the sound of it is unclear exactly what they are doing right now anyways, since returning to the original project plans is impossible.  

If the plans were sound, we would be talking about much shorter delays.

All in all a huge cock-up. Who knows how it will end.

Ofc this is all supreme irony considering the name of the ship lol.

The situation on the timing and amount of funding (lack of sufficient financial resources in the first half of 2014) has led, according to the JSC "Vyborgskaya NW", to the postponement of the completion of the construction of LK-16 No. 3 (order 231) at 4-6 months (approximately April 2016) year due to non-payment of part of the ship equipment, necessary for the formation of blocks of ice breaker hull.

That is what I got on the LN-16. LN-25 sounds like quite the mess up. Dunno how they can fix this. But they still intend to delivor the products so they have something thought up or are they just delaying to figure out what to do? Maybe canceling this altogether and taking the loss may be better and look at building something else from some other shipyard?

Would be funny if the new giant "Arktika" was completed faster than the 22600.

If it is delayed too I may cry and stop caring altogether.

Latest Arktika pic.

sepheronx wrote:

TR1 wrote:Uh, no.

It was delayed because the ship's plans were horribly messed up and made the ship grossly overweight- which in turn necessitated a redesign that screwed up the ships qualities overall. That is why it took them so many years to start construction again-though by the sound of it is unclear exactly what they are doing right now anyways, since returning to the original project plans is impossible.  

If the plans were sound, we would be talking about much shorter delays.

All in all a huge cock-up. Who knows how it will end.

Ofc this is all supreme irony considering the name of the ship lol.

The situation on the timing and amount of funding (lack of sufficient financial resources in the first half of 2014) has led, according to the JSC "Vyborgskaya NW", to the postponement of the completion of the construction of LK-16 No. 3 (order 231) at 4-6 months (approximately April 2016) year due to non-payment of part of the ship equipment, necessary for the formation of blocks of ice breaker hull.

That is what I got on the LN-16.  LN-25 sounds like quite the mess up.  Dunno how they can fix this.  But they still intend to delivor the products so they have something thought up or are they just delaying to figure out what to do?  Maybe canceling this altogether and taking the loss may be better and look at building something else from some other shipyard?

Quite a bit has been sunk into 22600 construction so I think it maybe well too late to just forget about it. Hopefully the hull sections are not too far to make it impossible to redesign to accommodate the extra weight.
It is absolutely incompetent that no one noticed the fault before major hull blocks were complete.

TR1 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

TR1 wrote:Uh, no.

It was delayed because the ship's plans were horribly messed up and made the ship grossly overweight- which in turn necessitated a redesign that screwed up the ships qualities overall. That is why it took them so many years to start construction again-though by the sound of it is unclear exactly what they are doing right now anyways, since returning to the original project plans is impossible.  

If the plans were sound, we would be talking about much shorter delays.

All in all a huge cock-up. Who knows how it will end.

Ofc this is all supreme irony considering the name of the ship lol.

The situation on the timing and amount of funding (lack of sufficient financial resources in the first half of 2014) has led, according to the JSC "Vyborgskaya NW", to the postponement of the completion of the construction of LK-16 No. 3 (order 231) at 4-6 months (approximately April 2016) year due to non-payment of part of the ship equipment, necessary for the formation of blocks of ice breaker hull.

That is what I got on the LN-16.  LN-25 sounds like quite the mess up.  Dunno how they can fix this.  But they still intend to delivor the products so they have something thought up or are they just delaying to figure out what to do?  Maybe canceling this altogether and taking the loss may be better and look at building something else from some other shipyard?

Quite a bit has been sunk into 22600 construction so I think it maybe well too late to just forget about it. Hopefully the hull sections are not too far to make it impossible to redesign to accommodate the extra weight.
It is absolutely incompetent that no one noticed the fault before major hull blocks were complete.

Seems to always be something when it comes to the shipbuilding industry in Russia. But they seem to be completely fine in building specific warships yet they are having trouble with this? Could this really be at fault for the design company? Some heads should really be rolling for this. But hopefully like you said, they can accommodate the weight change so that these ships can still be operational. But after the initial batch of being built, the rest should not be built and go to the drawing board for something new or just make all further ships the adjustments needed to accommodate weight.

Let's be honest, what warship has the Russian navy gotten without delays in the past 20 years?

The entire purchasing process is pure "marasm".