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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 am

    They are fucking geniuses at the Pentagon... who else would have guessed that all the sanctions and human rights accusations from the west, not to mention the bullying and other bullshit from the west and all of a sudden and with no reason at all the Chinese want to increase the number of nuclear weapons they have to defend themselves with...

    What a shocker... those bastards... those aggressive evil Chinese people... did they misunderstand all those peaceful friendly acts by the US Navy and US military in general...

    Who does America think it is fooling?

    America has suggested the expected large increase in numbers of nuclear weapons by the Chinese might lead the US to increase its inventory of nuclear weapons itself... hahahaha.

    Well no need to worry about New Start negotiations... that is over, which is good because the US would never be fair about Poseidon and Thunderbird et all.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 am

    You should hear Grandpa Joe from time to time, that would make you smile more often.

    A hypersonic missile is just like any other missile, only it can't be intercepted.

    Feel relaxed? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:20 pm

    February 8, 00:46

    WSJ: China surpasses US in number of ICBM launchers

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    China is rapidly approaching nuclear parity, Congressman Mike Rogers says.

    NEW YORK, 8 February. /TASS/. The PRC has more launchers for land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) than the United States. This was reported by The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, citing data from the Strategic Command (STRATCOM) of the US Armed Forces.

    "The number of launchers for silo-based intercontinental ballistic missiles and mobile ICBM launchers in China exceeds the number of launchers for ICBMs in the United States," the publication quotes an excerpt from a letter from the head of STRATCOM to the armed services committees of both houses of the US Congress. Currently, this military department is headed by Air Force General Anthony Cotton.

    At the same time, the US military assured members of Congress that the US surpasses China in the number of land-based ICBMs, in addition, these missiles are equipped with a large number of nuclear warheads. Also, the data provided by the military department did not take into account submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), as well as long-range bombers. In these areas, the publication claims, the United States has a clear advantage over China.

    According to the newspaper, some lawmakers are calling for an increase in the country's nuclear potential to confront China and Russia.

    "China is rapidly approaching [nuclear] parity. We can't let that happen. It's time to change the balance of power and expand our capabilities," Congressman Mike Rogers (R-Alabama), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, was quoted by the paper as saying. US Congress.

    At the same time, The Wall Street Journal points out, arms control supporters believe that it is more profitable for the United States to maintain the Treaty on Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms (START) with Russia and start arms control talks with China.

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    Last week, Russian Ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov said that Moscow has been impeccably observing START throughout the years, unlike Washington. The diplomat stressed that the responsibility for the escalation of the situation around the treaty lies entirely with the United States. He commented on a report prepared earlier by the US State Department, which claims that Russia allegedly did not comply with the terms of the START and can return to its full compliance by allowing inspections on its territory, and also agreeing to a meeting of the advisory commission.

    The US and Russia signed the treaty in 2010. According to its terms, each of the parties reduces its strategic offensive weapons in such a way that seven years after the entry into force of the document and thereafter, their total numbers will not exceed 700 deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles, ballistic missiles of submarines and heavy bombers, 1,550 warheads on them, 800 deployed and non-deployed launchers of ICBMs, SLBMs and HBs. The agreement, designed for 10 years, expired on February 5, 2021, however, the document provides for the possibility of extension by mutual agreement of the parties. In February 2021, Moscow and Washington extended the agreement for the maximum possible five years.




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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:36 am

    American politicians giving a false impression again... As usual.

    Most American nuclear weapons are on their subs and their large fleet of bombers.

    I suspect they are likely also lying about Chinese ICBM numbers because many will be intermediate and medium range missiles they are comparing with their own much longer range intercontinental missiles.

    Explains their recent claims Russia is not complying with the New START treaty... How long before they rip that up too?

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    Post  Broski Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:07 pm

    Explains their recent claims Russia is not complying with the New START treaty... How long before they rip that up too?
    Couldn't happen soon enough, Russia has been hamstrung by that treaty like all the other bad deals they've signed with the duplicitous west over the last 30 years that are always secretly broken when they want to gain nuclear primacy over Russia, the best arms control Russia could have is superior A2/AD combined with 1000's of air/ground/sea launched, long ranged, nuclear tipped, hypersonic missiles to obliterate NATO if they decide to commit suicide-by-Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:47 am

    I have to say the first SALT (limitation treaties) and START (reduction treaties) only became possible when the west feared the power of the Soviet Union in terms of nuclear weapons.

    I don't think they honestly feared the Soviet conventional military because it was always optimised for defence rather than attack.... if you want to go to different places and fight through enemy territory you have a different focus and a different force structure... well you have HATOs force structure... combat based on air power that can be deployed anywhere and moved anywhere as you progress through places.

    A mobile military... like HATO had and like the Soviets didn't have... the Soviets didn't have nearly enough logistics to push very deep into western Europe, but of course they were never going to capture and occupy western Europe.... they were going to nuke it.

    It was threat elimination, not land acquisition... they already have plenty of land and resources.
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    Post  walle83 Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:59 pm

    No way China deployes over 450 ICBMs. Even 300 seems to high. Best gess is probably around 100-150 with a mix of old DF-5s and newer DF-31 and 41s.
    They are building three new missile fields that could hold up to 300 missiles, but I doubt the missile production is going to fill all those silos for some years.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:31 pm

    To Walle

    What you "think" is not relevant at all, just like what I think is not relevant.
    The only authoritative is the factual situation or approximately correct data.
    Even the Washington Post writes that China has between 250 and 350 nuclear weapons.
    It is not specified whether it is the total number of nuclear warheads, but it is stated that China has 145 silos under construction for future ICBMs. The text is from 2021.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjn4Kj0vIv9AhW8AxAIHSroD9wQFnoECD0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnational-security%2Fchina-nuclear-missile-silos%2F2021%2F06%2F30%2F0fa8debc-d9c2-11eb-bb9e-70fda8c37057_story.html&usg=AOvVaw0gDHytv3aJcR-5kEgIzl2K
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    Post  walle83 Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:27 pm

    Well most sources say that China has less then 400 warheads in total. So about 100 ICBMs should then be "approximately correct data".

    If China would have 450 ICBM today it would mean they constructed over 400 missiles in the last 10-12 years. Also the DF-41, that is supose to be the new main missile system, just came in service a few years ago.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:21 am

    I have to laugh Walle83.... you are crowing about China producing ships like destroyers and cruisers and carriers like they are making sausages... but when it comes to ICBMs they can't make 350?

    Have you noticed their new missiles on TEL trucks... you don't need to build silos to have ICBMs in the 21st century.
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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:56 am

    Some reports from russian and US official state that China is massively increasing its nuclear warhead number.

    But I agree with him. If you have 400 nuk warhead you make just 400 missiles. Maybe a bit more as decoys but certainly not thousands of them.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:34 pm

    02/11/2023 05:37 PM (updated: 02/11/2023 05:49 PM)

    Media: China approved plans to triple its nuclear arsenal by 2035
    Kyodo: China plans to increase its nuclear arsenal by 2035

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    MOSCOW, February 11/ Radio Sputnik. China is considering tripling its nuclear warhead stockpile by 2035, Kyodo News reports.
    According to the agency, the plan was approved by Chinese President Xi Jinping.
    The decision of the country's authorities is associated with a possible increase in tension between China and the United States in connection with the situation around Taiwan, Kyodo sources suggested.

    According to them, China can increase the number of nuclear warheads to 550 by 2027, and to 900 by 2035.
    Earlier, Sputnik radio reported that China had warned the United States of a high price in the event of military aggression.

    https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20230211/yadernoe-oruzhie-1851431244.html

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:52 am

    https://archive.ph/GKitj since they don't have the Arctic ice cap to hide their subs under, these tunnels can ensure the survival of their ICBM force.
    A superpower that Xi wants to lead can't have just "minimum deterrance":
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/04/world/asia/china-nuclear-missiles.html

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