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    Post  limb Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:55 am

    Whats the reason the MiG-31BM can't fire the kinzhal?

    One underrated function that noone talks about of the MiG-31BM is its ability to carry precision air to surface missiles, due to having software upgrades to fire inertial, ARH and TV guided PGMs like the KAB series, Kh-38, Kh-31, Kh-59 . Its a much smarter MiG-25BM. Its basically a much faster Su-24 which makes it one of Russia's most devastating air to ground aircraft due to being able to strike with little warning.

    It can also function as a jammer pod carrying aircraft which has extremely powerful ECM abilities due to its massive engines giving lots of electrical power. If only the MiG-31BM has an AESA radar as large as the zaslon. Then it could be in the back of russian fighter and jam NATO BVR missiles by burning them with its massive AESA radar, acting as a anti missile defence aircraft.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:02 pm

    limb wrote:Whats the reason the MiG-31BM can't fire the kinzhal?

    MiG-31BM can fire Kinzhal no problem, it's the main carrier of the missile

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:46 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    limb wrote:Whats the reason the MiG-31BM can't fire the kinzhal?  

    MiG-31BM can fire Kinzhal no problem, it's the main carrier of the missile


    Technically the Kinzhal carriers have the designation MiG-31K, so a modification of the air-to-surface PGM capable MiG-31BM. How much difference between the 2 variants? Your guess would probably be as good as mine (as that is a highly guarded state secret), however I would assume not much. I presume the difference between the 2 variants rely on a significant software update to the avionics to allow it to use Kinzhal effectively, and likely a airframe structural strengthening of the undercarriage.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:10 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
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    limb wrote:Whats the reason the MiG-31BM can't fire the kinzhal?  

    MiG-31BM can fire Kinzhal no problem, it's the main carrier of the missile
    Technically the Kinzhal carriers have the designation MiG-31K, so a modification of the air-to-surface PGM capable MiG-31BM. How much difference between the 2 variants? Your guess would probably be as good as mine (as that is a highly guarded state secret), however I would assume not much. I presume the difference between the 2 variants rely on a significant software update to the avionics to allow it to use Kinzhal effectively, and likely a airframe structural strengthening of the undercarriage.

    Correct (no way I can keep up with all the suffixes)

    One is for VKS other for Navy (coastal aviation)


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    Post  LMFS Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:53 pm

    The MiG-31K has modified structure and got the recessed panels to carry R-33/37 removed, more internal fuel and apparently lost the radar, too...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:13 pm

    Can it still carry other AAMs during its mission & defend itself? If not, it'll need escorts.
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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:00 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Can it still carry other AAMs during its mission & defend itself? If not, it'll need escorts.

    No need when the missile has 2000km range.

    Mig-31K is IMO just a quick solution until they modify Tupolevs to carry it. And with the new hypersonic missiles Kinzhal could even be not bought anymore.

    They would have too much type of missiles for antishiping. Their strategy is overwhelming with a same type of missile. Tens of different sort of missiles makes it harder to achieve as they don't fly the same path and at the same speed which make coordinated attacks complicated.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:52 am

    Whats the reason the MiG-31BM can't fire the kinzhal?

    MiG-31BMs are interceptors intended to shoot down heavy bombers and cruise missiles and other air targets at max range.

    They operate for the aerospace defence forces of Russia defending Russian territory from aerial threats.

    Kinzhal is an anti ship missile based on the ground launched solid rocket fuelled Iskander missile and is intended to keep enemy ships and aircraft carriers away from Russian land and airspace.

    The Russians have a pool of MiG-31s... most are old and some are new upgraded BM interceptors.

    It costs money to upgrade an old MiG-31 to be a good interceptor... it essentially uses all new electronics and systems.

    To fire the Kinzhal the important feature is top speed and altitude, so an old model MiG-31 with unnecessary stuff removed and upgraded to fly fast and high is what you want... because when launching Kinzhal missiles air speed and altitude is all that really matters in terms of its performance.

    No airborne radar mounted in the nose of a current fighter can detect targets at 2,000km range so the radar is not really critical either.

    One underrated function that noone talks about of the MiG-31BM is its ability to carry precision air to surface missiles, due to having software upgrades to fire inertial, ARH and TV guided PGMs like the KAB series, Kh-38, Kh-31, Kh-59 .

    That is true, but in service it is rather unlikely to ever be able to use those features unfortunately because in the Far North and the Far East there will not be any HATO or enemy ground targets to engage... and if there are they will likely use Su-34s or Tu-22M3Ms instead.

    Its a much smarter MiG-25BM. Its basically a much faster Su-24 which makes it one of Russia's most devastating air to ground aircraft due to being able to strike with little warning.

    It has enormous potential that may never be realised.

    A smaller country like Australia perhaps could have used it as an F-111 and F-18 replacement, but politically that was never going to happen... a Tu-22M3M or Su-34 could also have been interesting alternatives that they never would have considered too. F-35 it is.... Smile

    If only the MiG-31BM has an AESA radar as large as the zaslon.

    I would imagine new radars are in its future...

    Technically the Kinzhal carriers have the designation MiG-31K, so a modification of the air-to-surface PGM capable MiG-31BM. How much difference between the 2 variants? Your guess would probably be as good as mine (as that is a highly guarded state secret), however I would assume not much. I presume the difference between the 2 variants rely on a significant software update to the avionics to allow it to use Kinzhal effectively, and likely a airframe structural strengthening of the undercarriage.

    I would think it would be a bit of a waste taking an aircraft already upgraded as a capable interceptor to then adapt it to use a single missile and transfer it from the aerospace defence forces to the Navy would be a bit of a shock... especially considering for the role of launching Kinzhal good comms and nav systems would be important, but radar and a variety of weapons would not.

    I would think a priority would be top speed (and therefore light weight and new heat resistant materials) and altitude (again light weight new materials that are heat resistant...).

    The MiG-31K has modified structure and got the recessed panels to carry R-33/37 removed, more internal fuel and apparently lost the radar, too...

    With such modifications I would think old model MiG-31s from storage were used rather than taking BMs out of interceptor service to use in the Navy...

    Mig-31K is IMO just a quick solution until they modify Tupolevs to carry it.

    MiG-31K is primary user because it is fast and they tend to use them in the far north and far east anyway.

    The extra height and speed of the MiG means better speed and range for the missile... they likely wont be needing them in enormous numbers...

    And with the new hypersonic missiles Kinzhal could even be not bought anymore.

    It was certainly a stopgap... but as Iskander is in production for ground forces I would think producing quite a few could be fairly straight forward and relatively cheap.

    They would have too much type of missiles for antishiping. Their strategy is overwhelming with a same type of missile. Tens of different sort of missiles makes it harder to achieve as they don't fly the same path and at the same speed which make coordinated attacks complicated.

    Different types of missiles complicate the defences and cover more bases... when working together in a coordinated attack they will be most effective... the fastest missiles can take down the air defence ships and aircraft carriers leaving the rest of the ships open to slower missiles arriving later to clean what is left up....

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:57 am

    The BM is also supposed to defend the Tu-95 against F-15, Tornadoes, EF2000 and F-22. She also practices against Su-27/35 for such scenarios.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:05 pm

    Three MiG-31BM high-altitude interceptors have been upgraded in Nizhny Novgorod

    https://aviation21.ru/v-nizhnem-novgorode-proshli-modernizaciyu-tri-vysotnyx-perexvatchika-mig-31bm/

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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:05 am

    https://structure.mil.ru/structure/okruga/east/news/more.htm?id=12330917@egNews

    19.12.2020 (06:55)
    The naval aviation of the Pacific Fleet was replenished with one more modernized fighter-interceptor MiG-31BM

    In Kamchatka, another high-altitude fighter-interceptor MiG-31BM returned to the airfield of naval aviation of the Troops and Forces in the North-East of Russia after repair and modernization.

    Returning to the place of duty, the interceptor fighter made a long flight over a distance of more than 8 thousand kilometers.

    At the airfield, the MiG-31BM crew was met by the command and personnel of the Kamchatka Aviation Regiment of the Pacific Fleet Naval Aviation.

    This fighter-interceptor was the fourth aircraft to undergo a deep modernization to strengthen the naval aviation of the Kamchatka group of forces.

    During the factory overhaul with modernization, the aircraft's avionics and electronic systems were updated, the tactical characteristics of the interceptor were improved, which significantly increased its combat capabilities.




    For the moment Yelizovo has received 4 MiG-31BM included this last
    Currently also operates other 8 not modernized MiG-31, thet are waiting for replacement of more MiG-31BM
    In the future Yelizovo will receive a second squadron of MiG-31BM, probably from the VKS with refueling probe

    Until now , the total modernized MiG-31BM is 150 (4 of them lost)
    Including a dozen of MiG-31K and 8 not modernized there are arround 166 MiG-31 in service

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    Post  LMFS Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:25 pm

    RSK "MiG" has completed the implementation of the contract for the modernization of the batch of MiG-31

    The final combat vehicle on December 25 went to the permanent airfield

    MOSCOW, December 25. / TASS /. The Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG (part of the United Aircraft Corporation of the Rostec State Corporation) has completed the modernization of a batch of MiG-31 interceptor fighters, its press service reported on Friday.

    "The Nizhny Novgorod aircraft building plant Sokol, a branch of the MiG corporation, has completed a contract for the overhaul and modernization of a batch of MiG-31 fighter-interceptors. The final combat vehicle departed for a permanent base on December 25," the message says.

    "The modernized MiG-31 possesses high flight performance and is capable of successfully solving combat missions in modern conditions," the words of Andrey Gerasimchuk, Managing Director of RAC "MiG", are quoted in it.

    As noted in the press service, another contract for the modernization of a batch of interceptor fighters was signed in 2019. "The plans of the enterprise include work on the further renewal of the fleet of these machines," the corporation added.

    The MiG-31 fighter-interceptor is the first fourth-generation combat vehicle designed for use in the Russian air defense system.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10354655

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    Post  mnztr Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:44 am

    How many units in the next batch
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:52 pm

    Flights of the MiG-31BM in the Perm Territory

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    Post  mnztr Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:08 pm

    I am really surprised the Indians have not expressed any interest in the MIG 31K. I know Russia is not allowed to sell them Kinzhal but Brahmos is not a bad substitute. It would give them a capability that China simply does not have. I wonder what the range of Brahmos would be if fired from 20K meter at Mach 2.5.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:43 pm

    mnztr wrote:I am really surprised the Indians have not expressed any interest in the MIG 31K. I know Russia is not allowed to sell them Kinzhal but Brahmos is not a bad substitute. It would give them a capability that China simply does not have. I wonder what the range of Brahmos would be if fired from 20K meter at Mach 2.5.

    China has h6 bombers with long range missiles.

    Brahmos is carried by Su-30MKI which has a top speed of mach 2.5 and around 20k meter max altitude.

    India would be better with a subsonic long range missiles than supersonic ones. Brahmos numbers are quite low and its range is not enough to hit deep inside China.

    They better buy air launched kalibr which a sukhoi can carry 3 of them at once compare to 1 brahmos. At least 1000 of them.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:32 pm

    Five MiG-31BM supersonic high-altitude interceptor jets will arrive to the Russian Central Military District after repairs and upgrade in 2021. They will be deployed in the Krasnoyarsk Region, the District press service said Friday.

    https://tass.com/defense/1247947

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    Post  11E Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:36 pm

    What a beast! Unfortunately I have seen a MiG-31 just once at the Paris Air show many years ago..
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:17 pm

    ^^Are those missile R-33 or R-37?
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:58 pm

    R-33. On r-37M there is more space between the ailerons in the middle and the ones in the back.

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:38 pm

    So is R-37 not compatible with Mig-31BM upgraded model?

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