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    Russian-Israel relations and the Middle East

    nomadski
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    Post  nomadski Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:18 pm

    https://www.reuters.com

    ( 1 ) Joint banking system and full SCO membership for Iran , increased oil sales by Iran to China - yes .

    ( 2 ) Sa!e of Russian fighter Jets in exchange for Iranian drones / production in Russia and their use in defensive mode in Ukraine - yes .

    ( 3 ) Sale of Ukrainian grain in exchange for civilian goods by barter by Russia - yes .

    ( 4 ) Turkish cross border retaliatory strikes against Kurdish armed gangs crossing into Turkey - yes .

    ( 5 ) Turkish support for non - democratic separatist Turkish / other factions in Syria or cental Asia . No .

    ( 6 )  Non- sectarian joint  economic development plan for Caucasian region , respecting borders . Yes .

    ( 7 ) Permanent Turkish military bases of occupation of Iraq / Syria , where no Kurdish separatists exist . No .

    ( 8 ) Sale of Turkish weapons of drones to Ukraine , conditional to their use in Ukrainian territory and not Russian speaking regions . Yes .

    ( 9 ) Iran buying Ukraininan grain in barter trade or medical services . Yes .

    ( 10 ) ..........This is not the ten commandments !  LOL .

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    nomadski
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:18 pm


    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2023/07/12/2924748/russian-envoy-summoned-over-statement-on-iran-s-trio-islands-in-persian-gulf


    Looks like both China and Russia , see fit to reject Iranian national sovereignty over the trio PG islands . Even if these Islands and even Bahrain were part of Iran in documented cases . And even if there are no Arabs residing on these Islands ! Is it all diplomatic lubricant to land a few juicy contracts ? The calculation being that Iran is cornered by them and has no retaliatory options ? And they can carve- up Iran on a plate ? It is obvious that the PGCC statements are getting very serious about their false claims on these Islands ! Do they want to put foreign or American bases on them ? Looks likely .

    Iran should teach these pesky PGCC upstarts a lesson and test China and Russia too , to see if these diplomatic moves are mere economic lubricants or if they have military and expansionist plans ? Iran can do this by launching skirmishes against all these PGCC f**cked up kingdoms , to teach them a lesson and let them find out , who comes to their aid ! Will China stand with them against Iran ? Or Russia ? If so then Iran needs a new path . What you think ?

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:43 am

    Don't see at all why Russia is involving itself in any way in this dispute and at such a time too, when it is important for it to maintain diplomatic support from all the countries of the region.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:40 am

    Perhaps because the PG littoral states are big potential markets and likely candidates for military bases , and Russia / China think , that Iran under sanctions can be persuaded to part with it's territory . They may then think they can station troops on these Islands , since Iran will not allow stationing of  foreign troops on it's soil . Even America , under the Shah , never made demands against Iranian territorial integrity . I think that these statements are serious enough for Iran to take action against China and Russia . Any state in a strong monopolistic position , has the potential to act in an expansionist way , no exceptions . And for China / Russia to show their hands , so early on , in their relationship with Iran , is very revealing . I think in politics , even if you shake a man's hand , with one hand , you got to have him by the Balls , with the other ! And apply pressure , as and when needed . The retaliation against China and Russia ,should be proportional . Iran should find Islands that belong legally to China and Russia , with Chinese and Russian inhabitants on them , that are claimed unjustly by other states , and give diplomatic support to these states in their unjust claims on these Islands ! If Russia and China take further practical steps , military aid , with the aim of allowing capture of these Islands , then Iran should be in a position to fully  reciprocate . For China then Taiwan comes to mind , for Russia the Islands next to Japan ......

    https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Q2muJHYfmEQ


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s2RXVHCCces&pp=ygUPQ2F0IHNjYXJlcyBiZWFy


    https://m.youtube.com/shorts/SYDPD0xBagA


    https://www.scfr.ir/fa/400/153157/%d8%a7%d8%b2%d8%b3%d8%b1%da%af%db%8c%d8%b1%db%8c-%d9%85%d8%b0%d8%a7%da%a9%d8%b1%d8%a7%d8%aa%d8%9b-%d8%a8%d9%87%d8%aa%d8%b1%db%8c%d9%86-%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%87-%d8%ad%d9%84-%d9%85%d9%86%d8%a7%d9%82%d8%b4/


    Here Iran advising Russia to negotiate with Japan over it's territorial integrity over the Kuril Islands ! Iran developing better economic relations with Japan ! LOL .

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