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    Russian-Israel relations and the Middle East

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:21 pm

    Jesus, not this again, how many times have we caught Israeli Yellow Press (pun intended) red handed inventing third dimensions...
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    Post  George1 Mon May 30, 2016 3:14 pm

    Russia will return to Israel tank that Syrian troops captured in 1980

    "Israel at the end of the week received a notice that the Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to the request by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the return of the tank, which was handed over to the Syrians of the Russian army, and on display today at the Museum of Armored Forces," - said in a press statement Netanyahu service.

    is this just a matter of "moral satisfaction" for Israel??
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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:35 am

    Lavrov favors Russia-Israel ties

    Russia is ready to use its good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis to end the stalemate in the Middle East settlement, says Lavrov

    MOSCOW, June 9 /TASS/. Russia’s relations with Israel are obtaining a stable positive quality, and the uncompromising struggle against terrorism contributes to the two countries’ rapprochement, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday.

    He said that this week’s visit to Moscow of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had shown that the relations between Russia and Israel were obtaining a stable new positive quality.

    "In addition to mutually deep affection of our peoples for each other and apart from mutually-beneficial interaction; the presence of economic and investment projects, a very close vision of the region’s problems and the realization, above all, of the need to wage uncompromising struggle against terrorism without any double standards makes our relations even closer," Lavrov stressed.

    "We are convinced that the Palestinian-Israeli settlement and the Arab-Israeli conflict in a broader sense would certainly help preventing young people in Arab countries to fall an easy prey to recruiters from the terrorist international," the Russian foreign minister stressed.

    He added that Russia was ready to use its good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis to end the stalemate in the Middle East settlement but it will do that exclusively within the framework of the "quartet" of Middle East peace brokers.

    "Russia has trustful and very good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis. We are ready to be maximum active in using this comparative advantage," Lavrov said.

    "As for who is and can be the main broker in the Palestinian-Israeli settlement, the ‘quartet’ comprising Russia, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations," the Russian foreign minister said.

    "Russia has trustful and very good relations with the Palestinians and the Israelis. We are ready to be maximum active in using this comparative advantage," Lavrov said.

    He added that Moscow would promote close interaction between the "quartet" and the League of Arab States (LAS), the author of the Arab peace initiative, which is extremely important for joint efforts.


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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:33 am

    Russian MP says Moscow may push antiterrorist war in Middle East to end

    A Russian lawmaker says after the US decision to suspend contacts on Syria, Russia can take the issue into own hands and push the antiterrorist war to an end

    MOSCOW, October 4. /TASS/. Russia may push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end after the latest informational provocations and official statements from the U.S., First Deputy Speaker of the State Duma, Ivan Melnikov told TASS on Monday.

    "After the recent informational provocations and official statements from the U.S. we can untie our own hands and push the antiterrorist war in the Middle East through to an end," said Melnikov, who is one of the top decision-makers in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF). He voiced the confidence this would meet the interests of Russia, Europe and the rationally thinking Americans in an equal measure.

    "Otherwise this was spread much broader than today," he said.

    Melnikov recalled that the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Force against the terrorist organization had been very efficacious.

    "We suspended it and took up the peace process quite conscientiously, as we expected mutual understanding with the so-called allies in struggle with terrorism," he said.

    "Yet time has shown the U.S. is playing a double game as regards Russia," Melnikov said. "To suit its interest, the U.S. supports directly or indirectly the forces that seed destruction, bloodshed and chaos. It wants to protect from destruction the big numbers of terrorists and keep them up."

    All of this has become very apparent now, he said.

    Earlier on Monday, the chief of the U.S. Department of State press service, John Kirby, said the U.S. was suspending the use of bilateral channels with Russia that had been established to help serve the ceasefire in Syria.

    He also said the U.S. was revoking the personnel that was supposed to take up in the setting-up of a join executive center.


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    Post  George1 Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:48 pm

    This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted
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    Post  RedJasmin Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:21 am

    George1 wrote:This is a CIA old report from 80s about USSR's goals in Middle East and its relations with various states.
    Although its from a foreign perspective it is interesting to compare the background of USSR/Russia relations with M.East states from the past to present.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499549.pdf

    Russian policy defines 3 areas

    1. Middle East the non-arab countries of Iran and Turkey
    2. Near East the countries of Levant, Iraq, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula and
    3. North Afircan countries of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya

    Soviet Policy goals were:
    1. Blocking any US-sponsored Arab-Israeli peace settlement that leaves Moscow out and optimally, regaining a voice in the peace process
    2. Unifying the Arabs into a pro-Soviet front ending the isolation of USSR's allied states of Syria, S.Yemen and Libya
    3. Stemming the drift of Algeria and Iraq towards on lesser dependence with Soviet Union and to closer ties with the US
    4. Expanding influence in Egypt and Iran. Two important regional targets
    5. Eroding Turkey's security ties with the United States

    Lets compare that goals then with today's background
    1. Russia is part of Middle East quartet. The group was established in in 2002, as a result of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
    2. Russia's allied states today can be considered Syria and Iran after 90s. Libya is lost and Yemen is in unstable situation years now
    3. Algeria and Iraq have made big arms deals with Russia today and have much more dependence for arms on Russia than on US. From the other hand the have close economic relations with USA.
    4. This goal has been almost fully achieved, since Iran is a Russian ally in region and Egypt has moved to closer ties with Moscow last years after General Sisi takeover of power. Economic deals, arms deals, joint military exercises have balanced previous decades of US influence
    5. Turkeys security ties are eroding to US because of Erdogan's policies and not because of Russia'a actions. We will see how this will be evoluted

    Very interesting. Considering today's background, I think some positives and negatives to be taken on board from the current situation.

    1. The quartet is effectively dead, as any Palestinian peace deal looks miles away. I think Russia's efforts here would be best spent trying to get Hamas and Fatah to present a united front, and providing meaningful economic development assistance, so that in the event of a settlement in the future, Russia could have a new ally based on genuine historical ties and support. It's an investment in the future.

    2. Aiding civilians in Yemen to preserve a valuable ally could be helpful here. Russian interests would be strengthened considerably by having the goodwill of the population, and would be a strong gesture. More robustly, Russia could support the Houthi government factions with defensive weaponry and general logistical equipment (i.e. anti-aircraft weapons to resist Saudi airstrikes, APCs etc). Russia really does need to regain some traction Yemen.

    3. This has been some of the most positive developments of the last few years. Especially with Algeria, Russia needs to work hard to both broaden and deepen this progress into general economic and geo-political alliance. A strategic ally in the Western Mediterranean would be a significant step forward. Russia's energy sector expertise could be really utilised here to great mutual benefit.

    4. Iran is now a solid ally, but Egypt needs careful diplomacy to really make an impact. I'd be cautious to celebrate too early.

    5. For Russia, Turkey is the best news she's had in a long time. Keep at the good work at loosing friends and alienating people, Erdogan... Sometimes, your enemies really do just start hitting themselves repeatedly in the face while you just sit there and watch. Now is one of those times.

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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:39 pm

    Medvedev arrives in Jericho for Russian-Palestinian talks

    JERICHO, November 11. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has arrived in the city Jericho. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas greeted the Russian premier and members of the delegation. The Russian-Palestinian talks have started.

    Medvedev and Abbas are due to sign a number of bilateral agreements during their meeting. "New bilateral documents are planned to be signed on the sidelines of my visit to Palestine," Medvedev said in his article for the Palestinian media. "An even more favorable atmosphere is being created for joint onward progress, bilateral investment, cooperation in industry, agriculture, trade and culture."

    The Russian prime minister said that Russia and Palestine "pay special attention" to strengthening economic cooperation, that develops despite "unfavorable factors related to a complicated military and political situation, as well as regional instability."


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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:10 am

    Difficulties between Russia and Israel on the Syrian issue

    According to the publication "Le Reliance russo-israelien a l'epreuve de l'Iran" in the French bulletin "Intelligence online", following the example of the leaders of the Persian Gulf countries, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to create a Shiite axis next to his country. During a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on March 9, 2017, the Israeli Prime Minister asked for Russia's intervention in the situation around the Golan Heights, where Iranian detachments of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are active. At the same time, the Iranians, with the help of local media, made it clear that they are creating combat cells in the area. Military intelligence of Israel wants to expand the channels of communication with the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, and first of all on the issue of the movement of Iranian troops and units of the Hezbollah movement in this border region.

    Moscow did not show interest in allowing any action on these issues. Moreover, a few days later, on March 16, Israel carried out an attack from the air of Syrian territory without informing Russia. Moreover, this operation was carried out despite the existence of a secret agreement "on the reduction of conflict" between the air forces of the two countries, which is aimed at avoiding clashes between Russian and Israeli planes in Syria.

    A very difficult rapprochement between Russia and Israel on the Syrian dossier occurs after the Russian authorities began taking measures to make it difficult for Hezbollah to have a presence on Syrian territory. Recently, the Russian president promised Turkey to stop support in Syria formations that were created and supplied by the Guard Corps of the Islamic Revolution.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2513262.html
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    Post  starman Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:14 pm

    George1 wrote:
    A very difficult rapprochement between Russia and Israel on the Syrian dossier occurs after the Russian authorities began taking measures to make it difficult for Hezbollah to have a presence on Syrian territory.

    Why? Where would Assad be without Hez? Didn't they just help regain Aleppo for him?
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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:56 pm

    Recognizing Israel’s sovereignty over Golan Heights doesn’t change Moscow’s stance

    Moscow earlier said that the Golan Heights were Syria’s territory and US' statement on recognizing it as part of Israel demonstrated the disregard for int'l law and UNSC resolutions

    MOSCOW, March 25. /TASS/. The signing of a proclamation recognizing Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights by US President Donald Trump does not change Russia’s official stance on the issue, Russian Presidential Envoy for the Middle East and Africa and Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov told TASS on Monday.

    "Nothing has changed, either before or after. Our principled stance and assessments have been provided on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website," he stressed.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry earlier said that the Golan Heights were Syria’s territory, and Washington’s statement on recognizing the Golan Heights as part of Israel showed the United States’ disregard for international law and UN Security Council resolutions.

    Trump signed the proclamation earlier on Monday during talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Along with Syria and other countries of the Arab and Muslim world, Russia and some key European countries, including Germany and France, spoke out against such unilateral steps.

    The Golan Heights, which had belonged to Syria since 1944, were seized by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War. In 1981, the Israeli parliament passed a law unilaterally declaring sovereignty over the Golan Heights. The UN Security Council declared the annexation null and void in its Resolution 497 on December 17, 1981.


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    Post  starman Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:50 pm

    With regard to Jerusalem, the Palestinians and Golan, Trump has tilted toward Israel like no other president. It's an awful testament to the power of the zionist lobby here. But the US is so isolated on this issue, in the Mideast and internationally. The zionist lobby is paving the way for a future disaster--for the region, the US and ultimately itself.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:41 am

    Apparently Shoigu and Lavrov do not agree with Putin soft talk with Netanyahu.

    http://johnhelmer.net/putin-endorses-netanyahu-for-re-election-shoigu-and-lavrov-react/#more-21339

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    Post  par far Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:29 am

    "Israel Is Destabilizing Middle East, Not Iran: Russian Envoy"


    https://southfront.org/israel-is-destabilizing-middle-east-not-iran-russian-envoy/

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:39 pm

    Pretty important meeting coming up

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:01 pm

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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 am



    Israel's government on Sunday approved a $317 million plan to double the Jewish settler population in the Golan Heights, 40 years after it annexed the territory captured from Syria.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:37 am

    George1 wrote:

    Israel's government on Sunday approved a $317 million plan to double the Jewish settler population in the Golan Heights, 40 years after it annexed the territory captured from Syria.

    Meanwhile Israel's patrons, NATzO, bitch and moan about the "annexation" of Crimea and the "occupation" of the Donbass.

    Different rules for different people means no rules at all.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:48 am

    How come there have not been more arms sales to Iran from Russia? Is Iran too broke to buy arms? I would have thought at a minimum, they would upgrade their Mig-29 fleet.
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    Post  starman Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:48 pm

    mnztr wrote:How come there have not been more arms sales to Iran from Russia? Is Iran too broke to buy arms? I would have thought at a minimum, they would upgrade their Mig-29 fleet.

    Iran has solvency issues but there's a new report about sale of SU-35s to Iran.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:25 pm

    mnztr wrote:How come there have not been more arms sales to Iran from Russia? Is Iran too broke to buy arms? I would have thought at a minimum, they would upgrade their Mig-29 fleet.

    The moment Obama removed sanctions Iranians ordered every single product possible from USA and Europe and told Russians to go **** themselves

    Sanctions were back the moment Trump got elected so Iranians were the ones who ended up fucking themselves in the end and obviously Russia was in no hurry to fiddle with them ever again unless they got paid in advance




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    Post  calripson Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:45 am

    kvs wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    Israel's government on Sunday approved a $317 million plan to double the Jewish settler population in the Golan Heights, 40 years after it annexed the territory captured from Syria.

    Meanwhile Israel's patrons, NATzO, bitch and moan about the "annexation" of Crimea and the "occupation" of the Donbass.

    Different rules for different people means no rules at all.


    Russians don't donate 50% of the Democratic Party's donations nor 30% of the Republican Party's.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:10 am

    To be fair they dropped the sanctions but didn't give them back their money... which meant they could control what Iran spent their own money and you can bet it would not include Russian products of any kind.


    .... and when you bribe both sides you always win the election... or should I say you never lose.

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    Post  nomadski Fri May 20, 2022 8:33 am

    To the communist leaders of The world . Cuba , China and Russia .






    Mnztr wrote " How come there have not been more arms sales to Iran from Russia? Is Iran too broke to buy arms? I would have thought at a minimum, they would upgrade their Mig-29 fleet. "

    I am all in favour of Iran better relations with Russia and China . But the Russians and Chinese , must make a distinction between the Iranian people , who by and large are friendly towards them , and the reactionary anti-socialist elements , the Killers and murderers of Iranian socialists of Tudeh party and other democrats and socialists , such as OIPFM . Many in power , including the current " President " Raisi , personally executed Iranian Tudeh party members , and he is not repentant . Many of the followers of the Iranian religious " Hezb - Allah " , are undoubtedly reactionary anti - socialist and anti - Russian / Chinese elements , that must NOT be elevated politically by meetings or invitations . Any meetings should be with Iranians , who at least , do not have a public  anti- socialist stance . The clergy Iran are anti-progressive ,  with majority of their supporters being anti-socialist and Anti-  Russian . Especially at a time , when the population , together with trade - union leaders , are being arrested , and people on the street are being shot dead , for voicing their just demands . The heroic socialist people of Cuba , should not meet with communist killer " Raisi " , and elevate him in the eyes of the Iranian people .
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 21, 2022 6:49 am

    Russia has not been communist since the early 1990s, thinking they are still communist is just weak western thinking designed to contain and isolate them.

    Russia has no agenda to push so it is OK for them to trade and have good relations with democracies, but also with communist states or even monarchies and anything in between.

    Another reason why the west demonises them because if you are not with us on everything then you are against us... so not being anti commie means you are against us too because we fight commies... except when we can use commies like we did with China against the Soviet Union and then we worked with commies just fine.

    Just the same when Alquada are attacking the US then they are the bad guys but when they are attacking Assad in Syria or Saddam in Iraq then they are people we can work with.

    The trick of being a good US ally is being able to switch sides fast enough to avoid pissing them off.

    There were US mercs in Afghanistan fighting on the side of the Taliban because the Taliban were fighting the Northern Alliance and the Northern Alliance seemed to be not anti Russian enough so western and US support went to the Taliban which was considered the development of the Muj forces that fought the Soviets in the 1980s... quite a few Americans didn't change sides quickly enough and ended up on the wrong side there...

    Russia, moving forward, has the advantage of good relations with communist and ex communist countries and also countries the west has been isolating and containing for some time, but equally there are plenty of countries outside the west that sees things through western eyes which makes them commies still.

    They will all soon realise Russia has no ideology to push and is not interested in terraforming other countries to be mini Russian state models the way the US and the west does.

    The west enslaves smaller countries by demanding access to their markets often by major international companies like Cocacola or Pepsi or both buying up the local drinks market for instance, but of course they will need changes to labour rules and minimum wage laws etc... not to mention laws regarding shareholders of companies... US share holders will have their own rules...

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    Post  nomadski Sat May 21, 2022 9:49 am

    I appreciate your response . However my post , addressed not the Russian state or politicians in power . Since most politicians are limited in their actions by the oligarchy or mediocrity or minority in charge or control . I addressed the international communist leaders . Since I believe , that communism , despite it's short and difficult history , is a legitimate political ideology . And that without communists or socialists in the political process , we end up with a monopoly on ideology and political power that benefits the few . The international communist leaders , know who they are , and you or I , may not know . The comintern .

    And the socialists in the world , have a right to defend themselves . They have a right to ask for fraternal political parties , for support and help . And Iranian communists and socialists , the anti-Imperialists and progressives , have been decimated by the right wing reactionary and pseudo- religious minority . With the result that economic and social chaos rules the land , and religion , instead of being an Ocean , where the masses sail on , to find new horizons , has turned into a quagmire , where the masses are drowned !

    The country then , ruled by reactionary and counter- revolutionary elements , giving lip service to revolutionism , by tactful  political  window dressing , engages in the worst abuses against the masses and is essentially ruled by pro- western and anti - Russian / Chinese , minority . Since both these countries have an active and free Communist party .Iran now , has more or less , the same class that was in power , during the late cursed Shah period . The same tactics exist .but a different crown . And before some way " oh ! But Iran now is part of SCO , and ... " I must say , that necessity makes strange bedfellows , a bed hopping prostitute , not a happy marriage . These right-wing extremist elements , will immediately jump into bed with uncle Sam , given the chance . And officially sell Iran , to them .

    So the least that the fraternal socialist political parties can do , is remove the fig - leaf of respectability , from the reactionary anti-communist vanguard . The heroes of the reactionary right wing Bazaar elements , no different to the liberal MKO / monarchist elements . The killers and murderers . A political executioner, dressed as the President . Those who have capitulated to the West already , only finding difficulty , in selling their lie to the revolutionary people .

    So I am not asking " Putin " for anything . I am asking someone else !

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