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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:37 pm

    For Russians there were no colonies, just different parts of their country. They invested in the development their own country, like Amiland building a railway in California or Oregon. It was Lenin who created artificial borders and declared "Latvia" or "Georgia" to different states.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:10 pm

    Hole wrote:For Russians there were no colonies, just different parts of their country. They invested in the development their own country, like Amiland building a railway in California or Oregon. It was Lenin who created artificial borders and declared "Latvia" or "Georgia" to different states.

    You are right. The Bolsheviks and the USSR created fake republics with local structures that lubricated nazionalist take over.
    In the case of Serbia, this sort of ethnic-centered policy meant the loss of ancestral territory. For example, Kosovo-i-Metohija.
    It was a Serb majority region before WWII. During WWII the Nazi-aligned Albanians engaged in massive ethnic cleansing
    and at the same time huge numbers of squatters moved in from Albania. After WWII, Tito did not allow Serb refugees to
    return but did nothing about the WWII squatters and the illegal migration all the way into the 1980s. Basically Tito assigned
    Kosovo-i-Metohija to be an ethnic Albanian republic. For the sake of brotherhood of the people's and other such sh*t.

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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:37 pm

    What Putin said a few years ago, that the founders of the "SU" themself laid the bomb under the foundation of the country. And all because Lenin hated the ethnic russians so much he couldn´t stand that "his" country could bear the term "Russian" in its name. Without him being such a censored he could have ended the tsarist russian empire and create something like a russian socialist republik.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:13 am

    Honestly I really don't understand people talking about the Ukraine just being Russian and the Baltic states and Belarus etc etc... these are broken states filled with people demanding some one else solve their problems... I appreciate the risk of NATO coming in and offering to "help" where it suits, but most of the time that just means military bases and patrolling their air space... it is unlikely to reach the levels of hand outs these countries expect or need to become viable countries in their own right.

    I don't even think Russia would be better off if America offered to sell them Alaska back... Russia already has plenty of territory and a lot of it is very isolated and remote and so I think the things they should be concentrating on is improving access to those places with improved internal infrastructure... road, rail, air, and sea/water connections... they should develop their own countries and those countries of their allies and customers... ungrateful and even hostile neighbours should be not even on the list.

    The focus should be Russians first... and that includes new Russian citizens... I am not talking white supremacy bullshit... and I am not christian either so none of this forgive and forget and turn the other cheek stuff either... the EU wants to block exports to Russia then Russia reciprocates in kind... the Ukraine wants to stop cooperating with Russia... well that is fine too... odds are the Ukraine benefitted rather more from that relationship than Russia did, so while it wont be painless... in the longer term it will be worth it... rather that wasting time and money on unfriendly countries Russia should be developing ties and relations with countries not hostile to Russia and Russians and there are plenty out there.

    One might say Russia lost a lot of resources and people, but most of those people didn't want to be Russian and would have fought any integration or cooperation... so it is very much like Russia cutting her losses and untying her own hands.
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    Post  Regular on Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:27 am

    GarryB wrote:Honestly I really don't understand people talking about the Ukraine just being Russian and the Baltic states and Belarus etc etc... these are broken states filled with people demanding some one else solve their problems...

    Only Ukraine is broken. Belarus, Baltics and pretty much everyone around Russia doesn't have suicidal tendencies like Ukraine has. They had whole generation to get their shit going, but failed to do it organically and now they are slitting their own throats.


    I appreciate the risk of NATO coming in and offering to "help" where it suits, but most of the time that just means military bases and patrolling their air space... it is unlikely to reach the levels of hand outs these countries expect or need to become viable countries in their own right.

    There's no risk for NATO at all. Russia is in no shape to fight conventional war over questionable goals.

    Handouts Baltics get are what? Everything has to be bought, certain % of budget has to be put down for defence/NATO. Apart from help with Iraq and Afghanistan missions, there was no freebies or rearmament packages. Number of new meaningful equipment is shocking and it had to be paid by taxpayers money. And with Trump, there was more push towards Europeans spending more money towards NATO.

    I don't even think Russia would be better off if America offered to sell them Alaska back... Russia already has plenty of territory and a lot of it is very isolated and remote and so I think the things they should be concentrating on is improving access to those places with improved internal infrastructure... road, rail, air, and sea/water connections... they should develop their own countries and those countries of their allies and customers... ungrateful and even hostile neighbours should be not even on the list.

    True. Russia is improving infrastructure and they are not doing that in hectic Chinese way because there's less money to spend so they have do it right. Even Crimea is pain in the hole compared how underdeveloped it still is.

    The focus should be Russians first... and that includes new Russian citizens... I am not talking white supremacy bullshit... and I am not christian either so none of this forgive and forget and turn the other cheek stuff either... the EU wants to block exports to Russia then Russia reciprocates in kind... the Ukraine wants to stop cooperating with Russia... well that is fine too... odds are the Ukraine benefitted rather more from that relationship than Russia did, so while it wont be painless... in the longer term it will be worth it... rather that wasting time and money on unfriendly countries Russia should be developing ties and relations with countries not hostile to Russia and Russians and there are plenty out there.

    Russia doesn't need ties with Ukraine as they are terrible market for Russian goods, they only have insignificant technology offers in cargo aviation- nothing that Russia can't reproduce/outsource. EU on other hand have technologies that Russia needs for industry. There's no need to reinvent the wheel when there are countless of companies who will find a way to sell you product no matter sanctions. German factory machinery impossible to get? Mama Merkel can't make it work? Well, then there's Italy, France or Finland? Best case scenario - western goods produced under license locally.
    Money finds it's way.

    One might say Russia lost a lot of resources and people, but most of those people didn't want to be Russian and would have fought any integration or cooperation... so it is very much like Russia cutting her losses and untying her own hands.

    Well Russians were quite oppressed under Soviet Union compared to Ukrainians or Latvians Smile They had to step down to fill diversity quatas from various "brotherly" republics. Russians were always quite religious, especially WW2 helped to bring religion alive. And it was so much easier to practice religion in other Soviet Republics than in Soviet Russia. Not to mention that most of Soviet Rulers were not even Russian.
    I do believe that after Russia will gradually reduce corruption and develop itself - they will become isolationists. And I believe majority would support it by now.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:17 am

    Belarus, Baltics and pretty much everyone around Russia doesn't have suicidal tendencies like Ukraine has.

    They have the same tendency to blame all their problems on Russia though...

    There's no risk for NATO at all. Russia is in no shape to fight conventional war over questionable goals.

    Well there is the obvious nuclear threat to wipe them out completely...

    But it is not so much a wasp as a bee...

    Handouts Baltics get are what? Everything has to be bought, certain % of budget has to be put down for defence/NATO. Apart from help with Iraq and Afghanistan missions, there was no freebies or rearmament packages. Number of new meaningful equipment is shocking and it had to be paid by taxpayers money. And with Trump, there was more push towards Europeans spending more money towards NATO.

    Which just makes it worse... I could understand it better if your streets were awash with gold from EU pockets making your lives easier and more enjoyable, but apart from making you change your laws and rules to conform to theirs and getting the privilidge of sending your men to fight and die in some of the worst shitholes on the planet, what exactly are you getting from NATO membership?

    You state that Russia is no actual threat... if it wanted to recover land it could easily have justified crushing Tiblisi and taking Georgia by force... the west would have done no less of Serbian troops did to NATO forces in Kosovo what Georgian troops did to VDV peacekeepers in South Ossetia...

    So really the NATO membership for these baltic states is all about switching markets from Russia to the EU.

    In many ways it was the first wave of economic migration to Europe this century... before people from the countries in Africa and the Middle East that Europe broke started coming too.

    True. Russia is improving infrastructure and they are not doing that in hectic Chinese way because there's less money to spend so they have do it right. Even Crimea is pain in the hole compared how underdeveloped it still is.

    Crimea offers Russia a domestic location for summer holidays that don't require leaving the country. You can spend money inside Russia and still get a tan and a nice holiday by the sea side. They will be keen to work hard and improve their own situation too.

    EU on other hand have technologies that Russia needs for industry. There's no need to reinvent the wheel when there are countless of companies who will find a way to sell you product no matter sanctions.

    I don't agree... I think Russians are every bit as capable of producing everything they need themselves... if they have a big enough need for things they should make them themselves... and look to also sell them overseas to profit from their low value currency... which punishes you for importing products and rewards you for exports.

    Look at food, Russia was lazy and just imported cheap food from the EU countries, and just accepted their food regulations would keep the food safe for them. The EU imposed sanctions on Russia and Russian responded with sanctions on food... now for a while Russia suffered because it had to import from other countries... and a lot of EU food was relabelled as being from Africa and South America to cheat the sanctions, but the vacuum created allowed Russian food production to boom and establish itself to the point that the huge surplus means it is an export commodity now too... the point is that this has added strength and depth to Russian production and made her more sanction proof, and given her something else she can trade with the world... Russia doens't grow every food type available, so other food producing countries could trade in food types Russia does not grow and Russia can sell food types it grows in return.

    German factory machinery impossible to get? Mama Merkel can't make it work? Well, then there's Italy, France or Finland? Best case scenario - western goods produced under license locally.

    More like Russian made factory machinery, Russia makes its own super computers and 6 axis CNC machines.... don't buy products from the EU countries, buy licences to produce and then improve it yourself...

    Money finds it's way.

    The biggest danger for Russia is bribes to do the wrong thing... the wrong thing for Russia.

    I do believe that after Russia will gradually reduce corruption and develop itself - they will become isolationists. And I believe majority would support it by now.

    Now lets be clear... I am a practising athiest, but I think the best chance for Russia is to not befriend the west... trade with them, but don't adopt their liberal ideas and values. There is a difference between tolerance and fanboyism... If a gay person wants to have sex with a gay person of the same sex in the privacy of their own home I have no problem with that.... not interested in that myself, but when I start telling people what they can or can't do for fun then it is time for me to take a long walk off a short plank. However I don't think the gay lifestyle should be celebrated and they certainly don't need a parade. As far as I am concerned sex and sexuality is like religion... it is private and as long as you are not breaking any laws you can do what you like... as long as everyone involved is happy.

    I don't think Russia should be isolationist, I think they should trade with countries further away like Africa and Central and South America and Asia... and unlike the west they should trade in a way that does not demand change or reform of those they trade with. Don't tell a country they cannot use GM food, just tell them you are GM free and you are only interested in GM free products... if they want to go GM free too then that is their business.

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    Post  PhSt on Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:20 am


    US Senate advances bill giving State Department right to call Russia ‘sponsor of terrorism’

    The US Senate Foreign Relations Committee has approved a bill asking the State Department to determine whether Russia falls under criteria of a state sponsor of terrorism, potentially opening a way stricter sanctions.
    The US Senate Foreign Relations Committee has approved a bill asking the State Department to determine whether Russia falls under criteria of a state sponsor of terrorism, potentially opening a way stricter sanctions.The pretentiously titled ‘Stopping Malign Activities from Russian Terrorism (SMART) Act’ could potentially bring the already strained relations between Moscow and Washington to a new low.

    Introduced by Senator Cory Gardner (R-Colorado) in April, it requires the Secretary of State to give “appropriate congressional committees” a straight answer on whether Russia could be designated a sponsor of terrorism.The bill also requires the State Department to determine and report to Congress whether the militia in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics in eastern Ukraine can be considered “foreign terrorist organizations.” The report should be presented “no later than 90 days” after the proposed law comes into force, should it pass in both Senate and the House and be signed by the president.

    So far, the Foreign Relations Committee cleared it to be further debated – and potentially passed – by the Senate.Only a handful of countries have been designated by Washington as state sponsors of terrorism, including Iran, Syria, North Korea and Sudan. Should this bill be approved, it would give the anti-Russian interests in Washington yet another opportunity to slap Moscow with more sanctions.

    The committee’s action just a day after Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov visited Washington and met with both State Secretary Mike Pompeo and President Donald Trump. His visit sparked yet another wave of anti-Russian hysteria, among the House Democrats in particular. Congressman Adam Schiff (D-California), who spearheads the Trump impeachment efforts in the House, called it no less than a “success of Russian propaganda.” Lavrov replied by calling such a reaction to “ministerial-level contacts normal to any country” patently absurd.


    The AmeriPigs are going full retard. This bill is another brazen SLAP to the face of Russia. These Sanctions will never go away and will only get worse no matter how much "Self Restraint" Russia imposes to itself in dealing with these NATO Swines! Time for Russia to take off the gloves and Retaliate with a swift and painful counter attack. Bring down America's economy. Push America to the brink of collapse. Even if it risks World War 3, when America starts getting aggressive at least the world will know who started Humanity's extinction. Russia needs to take back its Former soviet territories and start a process of Russification of other ethnic groups across the entire country. This is the only way to make a solid Russian society that will last for a Thousand years.


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:39 am

    The Russian people should be celebrating this level of ignorance, they should be dancing in the streets, because the west is stuck in a self destructive spiral and by getting them to reject Russia it prevents them from building relations and ties and taking you down with them... think of them as a parasitic worm... a tape worm... that is rejecting Russia... Russia is a nice big slightly overweight healthy boy with chubby red cheeks... something an old worn out tape worm could gorge on for another century or so... that enormous resource of energy and material and just land, open land...

    It wouldn't help the worm.... but it would prolong it existence and extend its reach with the resources of Russia to fuel it... but without change the richest dozen or so people in the US would just get richer and Russia would end up being starved of money while the money and resources are directed to the people who already have too much money now.

    The west is not actually a tape worm, it is more like a head crab from the Half Life computer game series... Russia would mutate and become deformed and lose its gender and identity and become a zombie slave to carry around the rich and do their bidding...

    If the west had embraced Russia and treated it as an equal in the 1990s and not moved NATO from western europe into eastern europe and on to former soviet republics, but instead sent US troops home to the US and dropped the weapons budget 50% they could have invested in roads and rail and bridges, and invested in clean green technology and created jobs across the US Russia and China would not be anything like as strong as they are now but they would be so integrated into the international community that US control of international structures would mean control of Russia and China now too they would be too attached to the system to survive leaving it.

    By rejecting Russia all these years and not showing any interest in helping her when she needed it, Russia has grown up and become an independent country... the west now thinks sanctions will force her to comply but there is no friendship there no loyalty... the west basically took advantage while she was weak in the 1990s and she remembers that so when Americans say Russia owes America for saving them from Communism... it means nothing to Russians at all.

    This is another step that will force Russia to want to create partnerships and deals and relationships with countries not tied to the west... countries in Africa and Asia and central and south america... which is actually very good for those countries but also for Russia too.

    The west is the easy option, but it comes with so many strings... strings that are meant to be pulled to hold you back and stop you being a rival to them that you are just better off looking elsewhere... any number of countries around the world will trade free and fair without demanding Russia bend to their morals and expecting Russia to not demand they bend to theirs.

    When I go to a book shop to buy a book I don't first ask that the owner is a good person or of this or that religion, or does not beat up his wife or children... that is none of my business and my life is none of his... how would I feel if he found out I enjoyed hunting... if he is a vegan is it OK for him to ban me from his shop in protest?

    That is what the west does all the time. They use their money and power as a weapon to force other countries to conform. Russia does not do that and its currency is under valued so its products are not insanely expensive... why would you not buy from them instead?
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:20 am

    PhSt wrote:

    US Senate advances bill giving State Department right to call Russia ‘sponsor of terrorism’

    The US Senate Foreign Relations Committee has approved a bill asking the State Department to determine whether Russia falls under criteria of a state sponsor of terrorism, potentially opening a way stricter sanctions.
    The US Senate Foreign Relations Committee has approved a bill asking the State Department to determine whether Russia falls under criteria of a state sponsor of terrorism, potentially opening a way stricter sanctions.The pretentiously titled ‘Stopping Malign Activities from Russian Terrorism (SMART) Act’ could potentially bring the already strained relations between Moscow and Washington to a new low.

    Introduced by Senator Cory Gardner (R-Colorado) in April, it requires the Secretary of State to give “appropriate congressional committees” a straight answer on whether Russia could be designated a sponsor of terrorism.The bill also requires the State Department to determine and report to Congress whether the militia in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics in eastern Ukraine can be considered “foreign terrorist organizations.” The report should be presented “no later than 90 days” after the proposed law comes into force, should it pass in both Senate and the House and be signed by the president.

    So far, the Foreign Relations Committee cleared it to be further debated – and potentially passed – by the Senate.Only a handful of countries have been designated by Washington as state sponsors of terrorism, including Iran, Syria, North Korea and Sudan. Should this bill be approved, it would give the anti-Russian interests in Washington yet another opportunity to slap Moscow with more sanctions.

    The committee’s action just a day after Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov visited Washington and met with both State Secretary Mike Pompeo and President Donald Trump. His visit sparked yet another wave of anti-Russian hysteria, among the House Democrats in particular. Congressman Adam Schiff (D-California), who spearheads the Trump impeachment efforts in the House, called it no less than a “success of Russian propaganda.” Lavrov replied by calling such a reaction to “ministerial-level contacts normal to any country” patently absurd.


    The AmeriPigs are going full retard. This bill is another brazen SLAP to the face of Russia. These Sanctions will never go away and will only get worse no matter how much "Self Restraint" Russia imposes to itself in dealing with these NATO Swines! Time for Russia to take off the gloves and Retaliate with a swift and painful counter attack. Bring down America's economy. Push America to the brink of collapse. Even if it risks World War 3, when America starts getting aggressive at least the world will know who started Humanity's extinction. Russia needs to take back its Former soviet territories and start a process of Russification of other ethnic groups across the entire country. This is the only way to make a solid Russian society that will last for a Thousand years.



    That won't happen.
    There is nothing to implicate the east Ukrainian rebels in terrorism and even the US can't simply make things up about it.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:44 pm

    Facts have no bearing on the laws passed by the chimps in the US legislature. There is not a single incident involving
    a bombing of civilians by Donbass rebels. By contrast, the Kiev regime has staged clear terrorist acts such as the
    cafe bombing that killed the leader of the DNR and civilian bystanders. The only thing that these zombie chimps in the
    USA have supposedly is MH17. But even if it was the Donbass rebels that shot it down, there is no terrorist motive.
    MH17 served no political or military purpose for the rebels. But it sure did serve as a convenient hate propaganda
    locus for Kiev regime backers. Evidence points to MH17 having been shot down by the Kiev regime forces. It is possible
    that it was a deliberate attack since the regime clowns mistook the Malaysian jet for Putin's presidential jet.

    We see this absurd inversion of reality in Syria as well. The same maggot infested chimps passed sanctions on the
    Syrian government for supposedly running oil via ISIS. That's right, the ISIS theft of oil from Syria to Turkey
    and Iraq somehow was Assad's fault. The mind boggles.

    But such rotten imperial hubris can't go on forever. Meta-stable branches detached from the equilibrium state inevitably
    collapse.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:41 am

    When the US implodes it is probably going to be messy and those tied up with US companies are going to lose big time, so the more separation between Russia and the US the better it is for Russia... I mean what happens to the UK when US companies buy their healthcare service and then the US goes tits up?
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    Post  Hole on Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:28 am

    China buys it. Very Happy
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    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:When the US implodes it is probably going to be messy and those tied up with US companies are going to lose big time, so the more separation between Russia and the US the better it is for Russia... I mean what happens to the UK when US companies buy their healthcare service and then the US goes tits up?

    At some point the dollar and the pound are going to be worthless. Relying on these "assets" in the long run is suicidal. So Russia
    needs to be economically sovereign. It is big enough to be able sustain such an economic regime. Yaps like Kudrin and the other
    5th column liberasts treat Russia as if it was something smaller than the Baltic chihuahua statelets. In reality, Russia is an
    economic superpower. But it does not need to suck dry any colonies to have this power.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:28 am

    Exactly... it has the privilege of being in the power range of a colonial power, but with its own natural resources to not need colonies around the world to support development and growth.

    Putin said no to the locusts wanting to use those resources, so Putin is bad and has to go... but most Russians must realise that another Yeltsin might create a short term bubble where they think they have won the lotto and are going to experience the western dream... a bit like the Ukraine just after they toppled their democratically elected leader... but they can see how that turned out... now the bubble has burst because they don't have much left to pick clean so we see the US president is no longer interested in them any more and is much more interested... like some EU leaders in better relations with Russia because Russia has all those resources that the Ukraine hasn't got.

    You are the most beautiful girl in the world and they will love you for ever till you put out and then they will treat you like a whore... they wont phone you and they certainly wont put a ring on your finger...
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    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:32 pm



    Pompeo requested Lavrov (and Russia) to support Guaido. The chutzpah.

    But there is another segment in this video which is more important. It turns out that the British "allies" of the USSR stopped bombing Germany
    in 1941 and basically only bombed civilian targets including in 1942 and later. In other words, they didn't even try to help the USSR at the
    worst part of the war against the Reich when Hitler's armies were approaching Moscow. At later stage the British hijacked lend-lease consignments
    of Aerocobras on their way to the USSR claiming that they would make better use of them. British are such slime. This behaviour is consistent
    with their active effort to steer Hitler eastward and provide the final solution to the USSR problem.

    Not mentioned in the video, we also have this: for some reason the mad bombers from the west failed to attack the rail lines to Auschwitz and
    other death camps throughout the war. To busy firebombing Dresden I guess.


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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:42 pm

    The Empire's demise is greatly exaggerated. Just considering the lifeline that is the U.S/China phase 1 deal, soon a full blown trade deal should set back any potential blow up for a solid decade plus least.

    Big Losers in order of appearance as a result of this deal:

    Brazil (LOOOOOOOOOOOL)
    Russia
    Argentina (LOOOOOOOOL)
    India

    I won't mention the Europeans cause they're a lost cause currently.

    The Chinese talked big game about everyone correcting their "mistakes" but clearly, they corrected theirs quick. Copied the American playbook on how to become an empire (copying they're good at) but they've absolutely no idea of how to play geopolitics on a global scale.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:55 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:The Empire's demise is greatly exaggerated. Just considering the lifeline that is the U.S/China phase 1 deal, soon a full blown trade deal should set back any potential blow up for a solid decade plus least.

    Big Losers in order of appearance as a result of this deal:

    Brazil (LOOOOOOOOOOOL)
    Russia
    Argentina (LOOOOOOOOL)
    India

    I won't mention the Europeans cause they're a lost cause currently.

    The Chinese talked big game about everyone correcting their "mistakes" but clearly, they corrected theirs quick. Copied the American playbook on how to become an empire (copying they're good at) but they've absolutely no idea of how to play geopolitics on a global scale.

    Do you have anything to back your assertions up? Even if the empire does not poof out of existence, it is on a one way road to irrelevance.

    Dismissing China and Russia out of hand is simply retarded. The combination of consumers and resources on this scale completely dwarfs
    both the USA and the EU which have to rely on colonial siphons for their marginal wealth. And every year this colonial siphon shrinks since
    the colonies are developing, even if very slowly. With China and Russia starting to arrive on the 3rd world scene with offers of fair trade
    instead of western style ass-rape, the west's colonial siphon can catastrophically collapse. And Neither the USA nor EU have the military
    resources to run around the planet to impose their "willens".



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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:06 pm

    What assertions?

    The health of the American economy? I mean the doomsday clock has been ticking since 1929. Everyday the empire is about to explode if you listen to RT.

    The losers list, in order? Self-evident in my opinion

    Or the Chinese being little dwarfs in geopolitics? also self-evident given their oversized economy. Hec just compare it to the USSR, it's not even close.

    More like you should back your assertions about the demise of the empire's enforcement power when they have puppet governments in what was historically Russian territory in Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Georgia, and cooking puppets in Armenia, while fucking Russian ally Syria almost beyond repair and frozen in conflict?

    Or how it got the foolish elite in Brazil and Argentina to commit seppukuu while they hashed out a deal with the Chinese at their expense? Bolsonaro and Macri... the walking definition of useful idiots.

    Or how they've baited the Indians into false pretenses of imperial ascension, to their detriment? Howdy Modi.

    The Empire is kicking live and well. Only fools fail to see it in action.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:35 pm


    This is what I have been saying all this time: Russian enemies are European Whites and their North American offshoots. Source of hostility towards Russia are not Americans or Jews but White Europeans.

    Sooner they are replaced by Blacks, Latinos and Arabs in both continents sooner Russia will achieve long term security. Hopefully with current demographic trends it should not take longer than 30 years.



    Blaming Jews for Anglo-American Hostility to Russia Doesn’t Fit the Facts

    A convenient scapegoat, but Anglo-Saxon anxieties about Russia, military-political confrontation, and the claim to civilizational superiority over it all long precede the entry of Jews into America's power elite

    https://www.checkpointasia.net/blaming-jews-for-anglo-american-hostility-to-russia-doesnt-fit-the-facts/

    Editor’s note: I wrote this in 2018 when my boss at Russia Insider said he wanted to explore the question if influence of Jewish Americans was what made the US so anti-Russian (in the way that Canada’s Catholic Ukrainians are a factor in that country’s Russia policies). Having explored the question of where Western hostility and contempt for Russia (and surrounding countries) comes from years prior, my answer was an empathic no. It wasn’t at all the case that Jewish immigrants had changed the US, but much more that the US had assimilated them. Early next year I left RI to found Checkpoint Asia as I tired of seeing a site which on a day-to-day and week-to-week basis was overwhelmingly the product of my hands, as it had been for four years (two of those with a fellow deputy editor), sprinkled with increasingly ludicrous fare, up and to rehabilitating the Nazi invasion of Russia. I had the full freedom and the encouragement to write rebuttals of anything I didn’t agree with and run them on RI — this was an assurance the boss stayed one hundred percent true to the whole time. However I discovered that rolling out a regular edition, while also penning rebuttals of everything it was now sprinkled with on top, simply wasn’t going to work out as the time necessary would have required of me I do nothing else in my life.

    In 1788 John Ledyard, an American explorer who had sailed with James Cook and kept up a correspondence with Thomas Jefferson, returned to Germany from an extensive voyage spanning Siberia, European Russia and Poland. On crossing the Polish-German border he wrote down:
       
    I have within the Space of 3 English Miles leapt the great barrier of Asiatic &. European manners; from Servility, Indolence, Filth, Vanity, Dishonesty, Suspicion,. Jealousy, Cowardice, Knavery, Reserve, Ignorance, Basses d’Esprit & I know not what, to everything opposite to it, busy Industry, Frankness, Neatness, well loaded tables, plain good manners, an obliging attention, Firmness, Intelligence, &, thank God, Cheerfulness & above all Honesty, which I solemnly swear I have not looked in full in the Face since I first passed to the Eastward & Northward of the Baltics. Once more welcome Europe to my warmest embraces.

    In the late 18th century, when the US and Russia were perfect strangers to each other with no interest to unite or divide them, an American could visit what was then only began to be imagined as “Eastern Europe” and decide its Russians, Poles, Jews and Tartars were filthy Asiatics inferior in every way to Western Europeans and Americans.

    Yet today, when a massive American trillion-dollar military-industrial complex desperately seeks out enemies to justify its existence in a world where Russia is still the only other nuclear and military technology superpower, American contempt for Russia might supposedly be explained by the influence of Jews?

    The problem with that proposition is that American and Anglo-Saxon animosity against Russia—actually more accurately the desperate need to proclaim a civilization superiority over Russia—long precedes significant Jewish presence in the US and significant Jewish presence among American elites.

    Are Anglo-American power elites today rabidly anti-Russian? Of course they are, as they have been for the past 200 years. Are the American elites in particular today disproportionately Jewish? Sure they are. Albeit derided by Ledyard as „ever the nuisance“ the Jews are studious, hard-working and courageous. Starting at the bottom of the ladder and, like other new immigrants, having to overcome strong prejudices against them, they gradually worked their way into the American power elite where they are today greatly over-represented even compared to the Anglo-Saxons.

    The one thing they did unfortunately not do in this process is fundamentally change the ideology the American power elite subscribes to. To the contrary, the entrance of Jews into positions of real influence was possible only once they had been tamed, Americanized and dumbified so that they were ideologically indistinguishable from the elite Anglo-Saxons they were replacing.

    In the 1930 and 1940s Jews in the US were heavily to the left of the American mainstream. Their Socialism often went hand in hand with a sympathetic view of Communist Russia. Into the 1960s the Jewish American lobby, much like the Jewish Americans voters, tended dovish on everything, except Israel — which is exactly what prevented it from integrating fully with the corridors of power. It was not until the Jewish lobby in the late 1960s struck its deal with the devil to support the military-industrial-congressional complex in every way that in return the national security state added Israel to the very top of its priorities.

    The most immediate cause of US animosity towards Russia today is that the institutions the US built to pursue and fight the Cold War were not dismantled once Russians toppled Communism. Yet these institutions were built in the 1940s and 1950s completely without Jewish American input. In fact, had Jews been more influential at the time it is likely they would have never gotten off the ground.

    As soon as WWII was over the US wasted no time in treating former allies, the Soviets, as an enemy, and Germany as a valuable instrument against the Russians. As a result NATO, which was always eventually meant to include Germany, was founded and de-Nazification was never seriously pursued. To the contrary, the renewed US-led anti-Russian effort found use for countless former German Nazi ideologues, officers, scientists, administrators and policemen. Meanwhile the anti-Communist hysteria whipped up at home took care of the often Jewish dissenters. It was easy for Anglo-Americans to forgive their Germanic cousins for racking up a tally of 20 million civilians and POWs murdered in Eastern Europe whose humanity and civilization was suspect anyways. It is likely the American Jews would not have been nearly as forgiving.

    Without showing that historic entrance of Jews into corridors of power in the US corresponds with a hardening of US attitudes towards Russia, the observation that Jewish Americans are over-represented among the most vitriolic public Russia haters amounts to the trivial observation that Jewish Americans are over-represented in the American power elite. Sure they are, and what of it? They are, and for every professional Jewish Russia-basher there are a hundred slightly less hard-working Anglo-Saxons and others who would sell their mother to take his place and do the same.

    In 1890 the ‘Society of Friends for Russian Freedom’ was founded in America. As you may have guessed the basic tenet this club subscribed to was the self-congratulating notion that unlike the US, Russia toiled under the weight of its own oppression, and that the common Russian was oppressed by his government far beyond the common American by his own. Until 1914 the Society published a monthly barbarism porn newsletter filled with lurid tales of oppression exported from Russia by political enemies of the tsar. It was prominent enough that it counted Mark Twain among its members. Its president, William Dudley Foulke, penned the pamphlet Slav or Saxon warning Americans to prepare for the future world showdown between the freedom-loving Saxon civilization and the onslaught of the semi-barbarous “Scythia” to the east.

    Thus long before the US had any strategic interest in challenging Russia or any ability to project power against it, Americans were already fantasizing about regime-changing Russia. The need to lecture Russia, to transform it, to have it admit to its inferiority vis-a-vis the West, to check and humble it militarily (as well as to imagine it is poised to overrun the West any minute) — it is all already there at a time when Jewish Americans are still nothing more than ragged immigrants being processed at Ellis Island.

    Of course, by that time the more prominent of the two Anglo-Saxon powers, Great Britain, had already been engaged in a cold war against Russia for almost a century. It continuously propped up the failing Ottoman Empire against Russia and to the detriment of its suffering Christian, largely Orthodox, subjects. In 1854-55 it invaded Russia and in 1878 it came close to doing so again. Partly the rivalry was underwritten by straightforward great power geopolitics: Britain feared expansion of Russian influence in Asia and the Near East for strategic reasons. Yet there was also a darker side to British animosity.

    As Larry Wolff explains in his hugely important work — Inventing Eastern Europe, the notion of Western Europe, the West and Western civilization as forged by Enlightenment-era thinkers (French, German and British alike) required an anti-thesis. The notion of a highly civilized, progressive, enlightened West worked much better with an obviously inferior Other to point at. Enter the invention of Eastern Europe — an imagined place similar enough that it could be understood and judged, yet without all the accomplishments that made the West so great. A place which with its retrograde semi-barbarism and roguish anti-civilization allowed Westerners to pat themselves on the back for their supposed great refinement in comparison. (Ergo Ledyard’s racist diatribes — a widespread fad of the time as Wolff documents.)

    This construct did not need to affect policies of Western states but of course it did. Being the bearer of a scary semi-civilization Russian power on the international stage was much more alarming than that of a ‘proper’ European power. Moreover, just the stubborn Russia’s refusal (aside from briefly in the 1990s) to prostrate itself before the West and to admit to its inferiority infuriates the West and insults its fragile identity. In other words, confronting Russia makes Westerners feel good about themselves in a way that confronting Western or properly oriental countries does not.

    Should it be any wonder then that the politically dominant Westerners, the Anglo-Saxons, have been engaged in a cold war against Russia for 200 years now? Briefly, when the rise of Germany threatened their position, they swallowed their distaste for the eastern barbarians and allied Russian military power instead. But whenever they could afford it, the British and the Americans have preferred instead to reap the dubious honor and prestige of casting themselves as the preeminent Western shield against the Scythians to the east.

    The great irony is that Jews who came to America were Eastern Europeans themselves, but rather than challenge the notion of Western superiority over barbarous east they embraced it. In truth the Askenazi newcomers were always an unlikely agent to attempt the former. Leaving Eastern Europe behind they were leaving behind authorities and systems which had treated them unjustly. Unlike say the Polish or the Czech immigrants they had always intended to leave for good, and had few fond memories of the place they were leaving.

    And yet it can not be said that American Jews were ruled by their historic grudge against Eastern Europe and Russia. As said, for decades they were to the left of the Anglo-Saxon mainstream, initially pro-Soviet and relatively dovish on the Cold War into the 1960s. It wasn’t until they fully assimilated into the American mainstream that you see the preponderance of high-profile Jewish Americans who are rabidly anti-Russian.

    Yet what do George Soros on the left and Paul Wolfowitz on the right have in common? Is it that they are Jewish? Well so are the millions of Askenazis who emigrated to Israel yet they have no interest in an anti-Russian moral crusade. The Israeli power elite likewise maintains a pragmatic relationship with Moscow, where their only concern are Russian policies in the Middle East which may affect Israel directly.

    So maybe what Soros and Wolfowitz really have in common is that they are American? Yes, but not quite. More accurately – like John McCain and Hillary Clinton – Paul Wolfowitz and George Soros are Western supremacists. They are derided as “globalists” as if the ideas they are pushing had no connection to any particular place on the globe.

    Theirs is the very simple idea that west has attained a higher level of civilization than the rest of the world. That the barbaric Mirror Universe brother of the West, Eastern Europe/Russia, in particular is an affront to everything that is decent and good in the world (whenever it is not under West’s tutelage). That western military dominion over the world is for the latter’s own good. That spreading western institutions and ideas by force if necessary is a net benefit.

    And that the rest of the world, but particularly the so-similar redneck Eastern Europeans would do themselves a world of favor if they just stopped resisting, and allowed the Westerners to transform them in their own image. (Or in the Hitlerian tree-worshipping version that western races physically replacing the eastern ones was a favor to nature.)

    This is not a Jewish idea. Jews were still in the shtetl when Enlightenment-era intellectuals were laying down its foundation. Even today the Israeli Jews whose identification with the West at large is mild have little time for this nonsense. They are happy to let Russia be Russia. Nor is it a Jewish American idea. As American Jews are over-represented among the anti-Russian power elite, so they are over-represented among the anti-imperialist (anti-Western supremacist) elites. (And in every intellectual field there is).

    Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Stephen Cohen, Max Blumenthal, Philipp Weiss. For every Italian, Irish or Polish (to name the other similarly-sized ethnic backgrouns) high-profile critic of the American Empire, an honest and reasonably informed person can probably name five Jewish ones. The only reason why the list is not more extensive is because dissent is not a ticket to raising one’s profile, so high-profile critics of the American Empire are not very common with any ethnic background.

    If there is a Jewish characteristic that makes Jews particularly anti-Russian it hasn’t been very effective. On Russia Insider’s own pages, between Golstein, Goncharoff, Doctorow and Shamir, Jews have been over-represented. And that is the glorious thing about this people. They’re bright enough that they’ll never agree on anything:

    In the 20th century where Jews have gravitated far to the left of just about everyone, the three most effective and radical proponents of capitalism; Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard, were likewise Jews. How grand!

    Perhaps it is tempting for those Americans who see Russia in a positive light to entertain the though that the rest of their countrymen would have basically agreed with them if not for the influence of a small group of ethnic interlopers, but that is not the history of the problem. The deep American elite contempt for Russia is something Americans (and the Enlightenment), not Jews, have to answer for.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:42 am



    Catholic Ukrainians?

    Is this author even serious?

    Around half of the UPA was Eastern Orthodox.


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


    It is not a Catholic thing, albeit that is a very convenient excuse even to some in Russia and elsewhere, but it is a Ukrainian nationalist thing.

    Not everywhere is precisely like in the Balkans where you have those "neat" denominational divisions.


    I know some have grown tremendously attached to the "Eastern Orthodox are good and Catholics are bad" propaganda, but in case of the Ukrainian nationalists it is pointless, and even downright misleading.


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    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:51 pm



    Banderastan conned Peru with the sale of a non-existent AN-178 transport plane. The price was $65 million US and in the
    end Banderastanis say they can't deliver. The pukes in Kiev have pulled this con on other countries as well. What a
    shining beacon of western values!
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:02 am

    This will do more to kill Antonov than anything Russia could possibly do... so it is a good thing... a good lesson for Peru to learn and to memorise and a good lesson for Russia to bring up to potential customers who can't decide whether to get cheaper Ukrainian support for their Soviet equipment or more expensive Russian support with the potential to upgrade to new stuff later on.

    The Ukrainians can promise new stuff of course but as we can see that it is likely vapour ware.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:13 pm



    Nut job Lukashenko has threatened a NATO war on Russia if it dares touch Belorus.

    I wonder what NATO offered this clown to sell his fake country down the river. He has been spewing all sorts
    of NATO-approved revisionist drivel recently and is escalating his rhetoric. Seriously, WTF? Is Ukraine's conversion
    into Banderastan such a rip roaring success that he feels confident spitting in Russia's face?

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    Post  Hole on Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:16 pm

    How old is he? Maybe his brain is getting… drunken Sleep geek

    By the way… Happy X-mas to all of you. santa
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    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:36 pm

    Hole wrote:How old is he? Maybe his brain is getting… drunken Sleep geek

    By the way… Happy X-mas to all of you. santa

    Indeed. Happy santa and new year to all!


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