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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:21 am

    Their lack if air support is going to hurt the Orcs over the coming winter, thermal instruments will spot groups of humans far more easily than during the summer period because fires for warmth are going to need chimneys unless the Orcs want to freeze to death.

    Searching around a few hot spots is going to be easier that looking everywhere for targets.

    Drones will become more important now too...

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:13 am

    It does not work so easily.
    Winter clothes have an annoying issue of blocking the emission of IR, as it means cooling.
    Applies to both civilian and military, civilian as a side effect.
    Even summer military clothes of modern origin are made with material with infused fiber that disperses IR. Ratnik has it for sure, but I would be surprised if not the new Ukro uniforms.
    The biggest advantage is lack of green cover, which makes both correcting&battle damage control much easier.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:27 am

    They will have fires, their breath, any heat in their weapons.

    https://www.agmglobalvision.com/how-to-shield-yourself-from-thermal-imaging

    if they have specialized uniforms then that will help for sure.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:31 am

    Yes that is true, but don't expect an extreme change here. They are using fire for camps any moment, even in summer.
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    Post  limb Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:31 am

    And I'm supposed to have access to classified information about the latest Russian weapons developed?

    "Its classified bro." Great deflection. The B-21 and NGAD are already in service but its classified. Tyler rogoway says so. Why is your source more credible than topwar.ro or zvezda TV who say no thing about a mythical 80km msta projectile?


    His weapon is called the 2A65...

    Yeah and its L46 length, with muzzle velocity of 830m/s. Krab, AS-90, Pzh2000 have longer guns with better accuracy and higher muzzle velocity.


    Of the 760 Msta that Russia has, 260 are 2S19 M1 and 210 are 2S19 M2, and that was in 2020 two years later the number of 2S19 M2 is even greater.

    At least 30-40 were already lost in ukraine. Ok number, but hugely insufficient against ukraine, let alone NATO. Ukraine already has 100 superior howitzers plus at least 80 pions, 30 himars and 80 olkhas.

    60 2S7Ms is more than a few dozen, certainly more than all the Caesar/Pzh2000 Ukraine has received.

    Its exactly 5 dozen. Pathetic number for the "best artillery army in the world".  Ukraine had 99 before the war. 250 2S7s were built in total. and ukraine 40% of them. This means number of unupgraded 2S7s in russian service is also extremely low.

    And why do you complain about LDPR having only D-20/30?
    They are a militia!

    They are officially part of the russian army, since donetsk and lugansk are integral parts of russia. Theyve performed much better than the russian army too.


    What if the conflict escalates and NATO goes to war with Russia?
    How will koalitsiya or malva help russia to destroy nato ships?


    NATO will NEVER go to war with russia. If you think NATO was itching to press the red button before the tsunami dildo came along, you need some psychiatric help. And if it does, the james bond villain underwater dildo won't stop russian cities from being incinerated. A-235, S-500 and A-135 will.

    zirkon, kalibr, kinzhal, kh-32 will destroy nato ships.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:17 pm

    At least 30-40 were already lost in ukraine. Ok number, but hugely insufficient against ukraine, let alone NATO. Ukraine already has 100 superior howitzers plus at least 80 pions, 30 himars and 80 olkhas.
    A war against NATO would not be fought with conventional artillery.
    Russia is not the Soviet Union so the idea you can have mass produced conventional forces with gobs of artillery is pointless.
    Modern Russia has huge disparity in population versus NATO today so the obvious answer must be high quality weapons in smaller amounts.

    Russia's artillery was like the last thing in the list of things they were thinking of upgrading and it clearly has been lower priority. But modern systems like Tornado-S and Coalition were developed and passed trials. It is only a matter of ordering them and producing them.

    The fact is thanks to systems like the Iskander and Kalibr the Russians can outmatch whichever weapons the Ukrainians have and they can hit their whole strategic depth while the opposite is not true. And for countering Ukrainian artillery they have the loitering munitions like Lancet. So things are not as dire as you put them out to be.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:24 am


    What? On the nose! Somebody tell these Russians they can't do that, their guns are too inaccurate - they should be clipping some random village 5 miles ahead!

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:16 am

    "Its classified bro." Great deflection. The B-21 and NGAD are already in service but its classified. Tyler rogoway says so. Why is your source more credible than topwar.ro or zvezda TV who say no thing about a mythical 80km msta projectile?

    Actually the LMUR missile and the Geran drone and the Kh-69 and a few other systems were top secret before this war started too... even the Buk 3 was a bit secret before this conflict but is being used too...

    Yeah and its L46 length, with muzzle velocity of 830m/s. Krab, AS-90, Pzh2000 have longer guns with better accuracy and higher muzzle velocity.

    Except the 2A65 is a 152mm calibre gun the Russians have ammo for and spare parts and support for as well as C4ISTAR equipment to support an operate in combat... they also have 203mm guns with better range and accuracy and much heavier warheads than that foriegn muck you are currently masturbating too and they are actually hitting military targets with these guns, while these amazing western pieces of shit are being used to score war crimes killing children and women with in civilian markets.

    At least 30-40 were already lost in ukraine

    Stuff gets lost in wars... both sides fight.

    Ok number, but hugely insufficient against ukraine, let alone NATO.

    They don't need any against HATO... the instant this conflict becomes about HATO the number of artillery pieces becomes irrelevant and the speed at which you can nuke Europe becomes a thing and the Orcs have no nuke artillery shells and the Russians probably have shit loads... threats appearing in HATO territory looking to cross into Russian territory will get glassed... no fucking around there.

    Ukraine already has 100 superior howitzers plus at least 80 pions, 30 himars and 80 olkhas.


    Their numbers are going down quite rapidly due to poor support and being targeted.

    Its exactly 5 dozen. Pathetic number for the "best artillery army in the world". Ukraine had 99 before the war. 250 2S7s were built in total. and ukraine 40% of them. This means number of unupgraded 2S7s in russian service is also extremely low.

    They seem to be getting the job done.

    They are officially part of the russian army, since donetsk and lugansk are integral parts of russia.

    They became part of the Russian Army weeks ago... don't be a dick.

    By that standard why is the Ukraine armed forces so backward and so screwed up... they have been HATOS special friend for 8 years, they should have Death Stars and Carrier groups and the air power of gods at their beck and call.

    Theyve performed much better than the russian army too.

    So they performed better than the Russian Army with D-20s and D-30s so all that bullshit about Euro super artillery if bullshit?

    Make your mind up.

    NATO will NEVER go to war with russia.

    Never say never... they seem dumb enough to paint themselves into that sort of corner... when things start getting bad and their currency collapses and all they have is a big powerful military they can no longer afford to fund will they be happy fading away to a shadow like Spain and France and the UK... or will they try to fight their way out... maybe another world war might solve their problems again?

    I would normally say they are not that dumb but Sakashvili and Bush and Clinton and Trump and many other dumb fuckers from the western spooge machine have proved us wrong before.

    Russia's artillery was like the last thing in the list of things they were thinking of upgrading and it clearly has been lower priority. But modern systems like Tornado-S and Coalition were developed and passed trials. It is only a matter of ordering them and producing them.

    Not really a case of priority... no one can upgrade everything at once without testing and prototypes and testing again... since 2008 the Russian military has been transformed from not that great to pretty damn impressive... and they did it probably spending less in the last 14 years than the US spent in any two of those 14 years on defence... and that is not counting what the rest of HATO spent in that period... that is bloody astounding.

    Russian artillery is getting upgrades, improvements are being developed and put into service... as already mentioned the Grad vehicle that can turn up at a location, receive target data... orient itself and launch an attack on that target and move off in minutes started entering service in 2011.

    Other vehicles are getting the same upgrades... not to your expectations... well sounds like your expectations are the problem here.

    Except NATO lacks the capability to recover their losses

    Launching half the drones Russia launched at Kiev at HATO and they would probably use up all their remaining SAMs and AAMs in a week and Russia could just walk into HATO territory... except I doubt they want to deal with the cost of rebuilding HATO... even without a shot fired the EU needs trillions invested to make it work properly and if the EU don't want to spend that why would Russia pick up the tab?

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    Post  limb Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:27 pm

    Russia's artillery was like the last thing in the list of things they were thinking of upgrading and it clearly has been lower priority.

    The army that claims to have the "best artillery in world" didn't care about upgrading its artillery. Thats a new one. The country that supposedly puts army as first priority, still uses 70% unupgraded soviet era guns. If the army is not the priority, what is? Clearly not the navy, since it takes them 5+ years to mass produce a simple marine diesel. The air force? Maybe, but mostly Su-30s there too(very few Su-35s and Su-57s, and no mass usage of glide bombs, targeting pods, large drones, etc, because its "not a priority". That just leaves the nuclear strategic missile forces and AD,ad the nuclear underwater dildo. Thank god at least AD, yars, and avangard is very useful against NATO, unlike that dildo.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 pm

    Maybe, but mostly Su-30s there too(very few Su-35s and Su-57s, and no mass usage of glide bombs, targeting pods, large drones, etc, because its "not a priority" wrote:

    What are you writing. They built about 150 Su 35 over 100 Su, 34, and Su 30 is not enough? They are already building Su-57, working on Su 75. For strategic aviation, they are working on PAK DA, building new Tu 160, modernizing the rest of Tu 160 and Tu 22M3...

    Clearly not the navy, since it takes them 5+ years to mass produce a simple marine diesel. Th wrote:

    Yes, building 70 ships of all kinds, including 12 nuclear submarines, is nothing. Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:09 am

    The army that claims to have the "best artillery in world" didn't care about upgrading its artillery. Thats a new one.

    It is not top priority because it is already very effective... there are plenty of upgrade programmes in effect for all of their artillery from guns of all calibres right through to rockets of all calibres.

    The withdawal of the INF treaty now means they can have all sorts of medium and intermediate range missiles now too so those mini cheap air launched cruise missiles they were developing... Kh-50 or some such thing, with a flight range of 1,500km could now be mounted in trucks too so they can be very widely deployed and used in enormous numbers... thanks America for untying Russian hands.

    The country that supposedly puts army as first priority, still uses 70% unupgraded soviet era guns.

    Numbers you pull straight from your arse belong there.

    There was very little wrong with Soviet era guns, all they need are new rounds and proper C4ISTAR to find targets in good time.

    Being reliable and being able to fire all day are vastly more important than having GPS guided shells at the moment, but they also have those too.

    If the army is not the priority, what is?

    The Army is a priority, but they are in the process of getting much of the new stuff that was in development these last few years...

    Clearly not the navy, since it takes them 5+ years to mass produce a simple marine diesel.

    There isn't a country on the planet that can reverse engineer a ships propulsion system and put it into mass production faster than that.

    The Chinese diesels they bought and had problems with prove that to be true... and the Chinese know how to make stuff.

    The air force? Maybe, but mostly Su-30s there too(very few Su-35s and Su-57s, and no mass usage of glide bombs, targeting pods, large drones, etc, because its "not a priority".

    They are using about 10% of their Army... do you think their entire Navy and Air Force are engaged?

    The fact that you don't know what the Air Force has or has not used makes these comments unhelpful... even the US wont use their big drones in theatre because they are just too vulnerable but you think Russia should waste new large drones now?

    That just leaves the nuclear strategic missile forces and AD,ad the nuclear underwater dildo.

    They have always been a priority and are doing their job just fine.

    Thank god at least AD, yars, and avangard is very useful against NATO, unlike that dildo.

    Your problem is that you clearly use your dildo too much and it is no longer exciting... or maybe yours is too big and it hurts you so you don't like it.

    Don't like talking about that... then don't keep talking about your dildo.

    Yes, building 70 ships of all kinds, including 12 nuclear submarines, is nothing

    There you go Arrow.... letting facts get in the way of a good rant... Smile

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