Russian Gun Artillery Thread

And I'm supposed to have access to classified information about the latest Russian weapons developed?

His weapon is called the 2A65...

Of the 760 Msta that Russia has, 260 are 2S19 M1 and 210 are 2S19 M2, and that was in 2020 two years later the number of 2S19 M2 is even greater.

60 2S7Ms is more than a few dozen, certainly more than all the Caesar/Pzh2000 Ukraine has received.

And why do you complain about LDPR having only D-20/30?
They are a militia!

What if the conflict escalates and NATO goes to war with Russia?
How will koalitsiya or malva help russia to destroy nato ships?

At least 30-40 were already lost in ukraine. Ok number, but hugely insufficient against ukraine, let alone NATO. Ukraine already has 100 superior howitzers plus at least 80 pions, 30 himars and 80 olkhas.

Russia's artillery was like the last thing in the list of things they were thinking of upgrading and it clearly has been lower priority.

Shell hunger

Miscalculations of the General Staff in the rate of accumulation of shells (900 shots) led in 1914 to an acute shortage of shells for the army in the field. Urgent measures were required to save the army from complete shell starvation. The military industry was not ready to solve this problem.

Although the measures taken made it possible already in the first half of 1915 to improve the supply of artillery shells to the front, the "shell hunger" was fully eliminated only in 1916.

Modern industry of ammunition and special chemicals.
Engaged in the development and production of ammunition (AP) and cartridges of all types, gunpowder, rocket fuel, chemical warfare agents and special chemicals. As of 2022, the ammunition and special chemicals industry united 91 enterprises.

The Russian army in the early 1990s inherited from the Soviet army about 15 million tons of missiles and ammunition stored in 180 arsenals, bases and warehouses.

As of January 1, 2013, the presence of ammunition in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is 3.7 million tons, of which 1.1 million tons are unusable. That is, suitable - 2.6 million tons.

In 2020, almost 300 thousand ammunition was repaired at the arsenals on its own, and more than 20 thousand shells for multiple launch rocket systems were collected.

The real need for ammunition is MILLIONS of pieces per year.

To understand the scale (https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/398) - a million tons of ammunition in terms of 152 mm shots (projectile + charge) is about 16 million shots. Approximately the same amount - in terms of 122-mm Grad MLRS rockets. Peak consumption in summer battles is up to 60 thousand rounds per day. Averaged, taking into account periods of calm - 10 thousand shots per day.

Is it a lot or a little? The consumption during the war, according to Western estimates, reaches 7 million pieces of shells with a caliber of more than 100 mm over the past 10 months. Annual production is unknown, rough estimate (for one example of a Western estimate see here (https://jamestown.org/program/russia-struggles-to-maintain-munition-stocks-part-two/)) in 2021 it could reach for 152mm rounds are about 300 thousand per year, and this is a lot - about 10 times more than the annual production of 155mm rounds in the United States before the start of the conflict. But not enough given the expense. Is a multiple increase possible, taking into account the transfer of the defense industry to an enhanced regime? Yes.

And by an order of magnitude or more, in order to ensure the consumption of 300 thousand shells in less than two weeks?

This requires a general mobilization of the economy and more than one year of preparatory work with a fundamental restructuring of the entire political and economic system of the country, the likelihood of which everyone is free to assess for himself.

Exactly the same problem exists in the West - and to a greater extent, given that today no full-flow ammunition production is deployed in any of the NATO countries, and such a deployment is still only planned and calculated in the United States. However, the potential output there could be much higher, given the capabilities of US partners and allies outside NATO. At the same time, its full use is possible only in a direct conflict between Russia and NATO, while if it is limited to the territory of Ukraine, it will be limited by the capabilities of the Ukrainian military machine and Ukrainian infrastructure, with natural demographic and geographical limits.

The political question of ending the war hung somewhere here - at the point where the reduction in stocks on both sides, the growth of industrial capabilities, the limits of the combat capabilities of both sides due to this growth (which will be reached by them at _different_ times) and the willingness to pay for all this - in all the meanings of this word.

Unless the Western economies undergo economic mobilization for war.

Russia's ammo consumption is bound to drop anyway for a simple reason: they are running out of targets.

The first few months Ukraine had the largest mechanized force in the field. Now they are still the largest, but composition has shifted to a majority light infantry force of mostly inexperienced conscripts.

Less mobile, with far fewer fire support, and much less survivable. The full-strength UAF required 60k rounds/day to fell, this lesser beast would but a fraction of that.

Its actually gotten so bad that Russia even uses PGMs on what were once considered low value targets.

Unless the Western economies undergo economic mobilization for war and start cranking out huge quantities of ammo, hardware and so on according to their own designs and calibres, and at a huge cost to their civilian economies as well.

South Korea, Azerbaijan, and Pakistan by themselves are rather a joke

limb wrote:They will. Westerners hate russians so much that they would rather suffer from wage stagnation and rising living costs in the name of "protecting democracy" and killing "russian subhumans" than taking action to force governments to invest in their own countries.

At least 65% of the population of every western country, except that of Slovakia, greece and bulgaria supprts sending increased weapons shipments to ukraine

South korea is an industrial military powerhouse bigger than france, UK and germany combined. Its military industry is constantly expanding due to generous tech transfers, foreign investment, and foreign orders.