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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:21 pm

    Angara A5 in its launch pad. Picture taken by Airbus Pleiades NEO 4 satellite.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:14 pm

    How does the Angara 5 rocket compare to Western and Chinese space launch vehicles?
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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:29 pm

    Arrow wrote:How does the Angara 5 rocket compare to Western and Chinese space  launch vehicles?
    Angara is a rocket family which can in theory use 1, 3, or 5 URM cores. The Angara A5 with 5 URM cores has slightly more LEO launch capability than the latest Falcon 9 rocket.

    In theory this could replace the Rokot, Soyuz, and Proton launchers.

    Currently Angara is quite expensive as a rocket. Each one costs like 100 million USD. But once serial production happens properly costs are expected to come down to half the current prices.

    It also needs the Hydrogen-LOX upper stage KVTK to become more competitive in the launch of satellite constellations.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:50 pm

    that was the A5V the A5M is proposed to be cheaper with 2 re-usable stages but no idea on the test launch for that.

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    No claims in the west this time that Russia will use the rocket to attack Kijüv.  tongue

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:16 am

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:34 pm

    The 100 million price tag smells of a racket. The brave new world of profit driven capitalism is showing itself. The whole concept of URMs
    is economy of scale. Instead of making a few custom parts, you make many identical parts. The price per part is supposed to be much lower
    and not a token amount less. So 5 URMs in a 100 million rocket implies 20 million per URM. That is rich considering the cost of a Proton rocket
    which is much larger.

    There is no reason that any of the Angara URMs should cost more than 10 million. The husk is just a husk and it has a single RD-190 rocket
    motor which is not supposed to cost the same as an RD-170 or RD-180. The price should roughly scale with the number of nozzles.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:10 pm

    Serial production is just starting.
    Until now the rockets are more or less like prototypes.
    Like a F1 car.
    Wait until the production is in full swing, the price will go down sharply.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:45 pm

    Most of it is fixed costs which would be less significant with increased production rate.
    The rocket also seems to use isogrid construction. That probably makes it more expensive.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:36 pm


    Also, Kazakhstan can officially get fucked now




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    Post  TMA1 Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:55 am

    It is beautiful and how I picture a heavy rocket should look. Cannot wait for the hydrolox upper stage rocket. Will give the rocketdyne hydrolox engine a run for it's money.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:46 am

    Hole wrote:Serial production is just starting.
    Until now the rockets are more or less like prototypes.
    Like a F1 car.
    Wait until the production is in full swing, the price will go down sharply.

    Western faggots have long snickered about Angara being "expensive" but the numbers they (and their 5th column Russian compradors) throw around are just nonsensical, nothing but projections loosely based on development costs of prototypes with the expenses of R&D and the building of green-field serial manufacturing built in. Its a bit like NATOstani sock puppets repeating endlessly that the Yasen-M boat Kazan cost 3.5B USD equivalent... Razz Stupid numbers quoted by stupid people.

    Reality will assert itself at the end of the day, but rather than admit their error these NATO fags will simply drift away and find something else peripheral to bitch about. A bit like US aerospace media and Pentagram hacks telling us that the "hypersonic race" belongs to USA and with China a distant second... Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:58 am

    TMA1 wrote:It is beautiful and how I picture a heavy rocket should look. Cannot wait for the hydrolox upper stage rocket. Will give the rocketdyne hydrolox engine a run for it's money.

    The A-5V will have a LEO payload capability of ~37T. Thats a capability that will satisfy just about any payload that Russia (Roskosmos or the military) will need for many years.

    I also expect that they will finally proceed with development of the Baikal reusable strap-on booster. The fly-back concept has always made more sense to me than a vertical landing. IMHO it's just about the optimum config for minimising refurbishment and return to service - remove the engine, flush the tanks and propellent lines, diagnostics on the avionics, function tests of aerodynamic controls, then install a fresh engine while the original goes away for a full clean/de-coke and NDT regime before going back into the flight-ready inventory. Simples and cheap to boot. thumbsup

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    Hole wrote:
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    Post  Kiko Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:52 pm

    Europe has found a way to take over Russia. We must not notice her successes, by Elena Karaeva for RiaNovosti. 0415.2024.

    A successful start for our Angara, and even on the day when more than six decades ago Yuri Gagarin said: “Let's go!” and rushed to the stars, causing massive indigestion among our opponents. Although here they would definitely and correctly be called gossipers and envious people. Of course, there are more than one and a half ten thousand sanctions on everything that is possible, and Macron himself is checking the readiness and strength (very French, yes) of the cosmodrome in Kourou, feeling the parts, and suddenly these Russians - wow! - and the new generation of rocket with the luxurious name “Angara” is tearing apart not only the layers of the atmosphere, but also Western stereotypes: “the economy is torn to shreds” and the “gas station” is practically on its last legs.

    They specifically noted that there were “technical problems” before the launch.

    If we were to collect the poison that flowed in a stormy stream from the European press, there would be enough for a long train of transport tanks.

    When envy is off the charts, it’s time to look at those who, in fact, instead of congratulations, send all those emotions addressed to us, which in a decent society are generally customary to hide.
    And when you look closely at the headlines of this very press, which concern their own space industry, somewhere you even begin to understand where this envy comes from.

    For example, Macron, of course, felt what was needed in Kourou with his own hands, but did not say that the country he leads and his subordinate, the head of the Ministry of Economy, Bruno Le Maire , sold the production of engines for Ariane-6 to Germany three years ago . Apparently he was embarrassed.

    Officially they sold it “to strengthen cooperation in space at the European level,” but unofficially (that is, as it really was) - ArianeGroup, which led the development, simply did not have enough money for further investment. The Germans, at a reasonable price, received not only everything that French designers, metallurgists, ballisticians, and so on had done, but also all the engineering knowledge that went with it. What was yours has become ours. But the trade in the French national treasure (and the space industry of the Fifth Republic was always at a very decent level, it was created by de Gaulle) did not end there, and a little later Italy was attracted to participate.

    The reason is the same: not one of the European countries - so rich, so everyone in croissants, in Lambrusco and in Mercedes - is financially able to develop the space industry independently, without the famous EU “sharing”. Neither in its civilian nor in its military part. Financially - because with such budget deficits, inflation (say hello to Kiev there if you have the opportunity), and external debts, this story is simply beyond their means.
    The second is raw materials. Today, not only oats are expensive, but also steel, rare earths, plastic, energy resources, and water. In short, it’s worth saying hello to Kyiv here too.

    The European Space Agency (which now consists of a little more than two dozen states), with its friendly team, has lived and been nourished by Soviet developments, and later by Russian ones, almost throughout the entire period of cooperation with our country. Not a single country member of this venerable assembly has produced a single scientific breakthrough. Neither fundamental nor applied. Everyone sewed the pan-European space suit; there were no complaints only about the buttons - and that was because our specialists looked after it.

    And now - now, in these very minutes - someone feels proud, happy - because they managed, what happened, what was successful, that the new stage remained with Russia again - and someone sits in all seriousness in decent , is by no means writing something “about corruption” to the tabloid press.

    For the average person. To have something to read with your morning croissant.

    But “Angara A-5” is just a line, it’s just the beginning of a new stage in the exploration of space by us, the Russians.
    For analysts and strategists sitting at NATO headquarters in Brussels, in the French Ministry of Defense , in the German Bundeswehr and, of course, in the Pentagon , this is such a thorn in the soft spot and such a pitchfork under the Adam’s apple that it doesn’t seem like much.

    For all of these people, this means that Russian engineering has enormous potential, that designers today can develop almost any object required for the defense of the country, and that the “torn to shreds economy” has bottomless industrial, resource and intellectual potential. Naturally, no one will trade this. And it will work. Forge the cosmic shield of the Motherland, as they said before.

    We will leave envy and spilling of bile to our opponents, but we ourselves will continue to tame the fire of Russian space.

    Go!

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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:12 pm

    Scrubbing launches is standard operating procedure around the world. Any claim by NATzO clowns that they always launch on first attempts and never fail is a total lie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_flight_V88

    Hmm, new rocket problems in U-rope. No way!

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    Post  Hole Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:22 pm

    Musk doesn´t bother with problems. He launches his fireworks anyway.  lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:29 am

    The whole point of diagnostic systems and testing right up to lift off is to find problems that could cause the loss of the rocket... and it would be stupid to ignore such warnings and just launch every time anyway.

    Sour grapes from the west... something the Russians are Chinese not only expect now, but probably enjoy, because the more sour they are the more it shows how bad it is in the west despite the wests attempts to destroy Russia and China so they can feel good about themselves.

    To be clear even if Russia collapsed and China begged for mercy and accepted any terms the west demanded it wouldn't fix the fundamental problems in the west. The 1% of the super rich in the west would get richer, but the middle class would continue to sink into poverty and you will have to work longer hours just to make ends meet.

    The western model is broken because it requires broken countries with lots of available resources to feed upon and they are just not there any more.

    The west should be doing what the BRICS countries are and talk about cooperation and respect and not trying to change other countries but work together to make your own country and their country better. China is communist and India and Russia are democracies, all three have different religions and languages. There is no lead country in BRICS that demands every other country uses their currency for all trade and speaks their language to make communication easier, and choose its political system as a model for their own countries. It is not one culture imposing and dominating the others, it is about accepting other cultures and other ways of doing things with some rules that are open and free and fair for international trade.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:51 am

    The first launch of Angara-A5B with an oxygen-hydrogen third stage is scheduled for 2030

    MOSCOW, April 17. /TASS/. The first launch of the Angara-A5V launch vehicle with an oxygen-hydrogen third stage is scheduled for 2030. Roscosmos General Director Yuri Borisov reported this to Russian President Vladimir Putin during a meeting between the head of state and the government.

    “Another promising modification of this rocket is the Angara-A5V with an oxygen-hydrogen third stage, which ensures the launch of payloads weighing up to 38 tons into low Earth orbit. <...> Subject to continued funding for the work in sufficient quantities, flight tests of this launch vehicle are planned for 2030," he said.

    Borisov noted that in the future, the Angara-A5B is planned to be used to send automatic interplanetary stations and devices for exploring the Solar System and deep space.


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    Later than I would prefer but they do need to construct the LH2 infrastructure at Vostochny, and they still need to complete and fly the A-5M with the uprated engines. Once the last of the Protons flys from the kazakh-controlled shithole and the import-substitution programs lead to increased domestic production of satellites then I expect the pressure will be on to finally introduce routine operations of A-5 variants. Until then its a lower priority and there are more urgent demands on state finances (such as taking down fascist banderastan and driving a stake thru the fluttering heart of the NA(ZI)TO collective).

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:53 am

    Borisov said that the first launch of the Angara-A5M rocket will take place in 2027

    The head of the Russian state corporation Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov, said that the first launch of the modernized Angara-A5M rocket will take place in 2027.

    Borisov spoke about this during a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and members of the government.

    According to him, the process of creating a modernized Angara-A5M missile with a more powerful RD-191M main engine is currently underway. He added that all necessary testing of this engine had recently been completed.

    Borisov noted that this rocket is being created with the ability to launch manned spacecraft in the future.

    “The first launch of this rocket is in 2027. It will be combined with comprehensive testing of the new ship in an unmanned version, and this will be our next launch of the Angara from Vostochny,” said the head of Roscosmos.

    Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin, during a conversation with Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko, called the successful launch of the Angara-A5 rocket from the Vostochny cosmodrome a good event .

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:44 pm

    Borisov must be boasting because he is talking about systems that do not exist. //

    I do not see any need to rush hydrogen infrastructure. If they need a more potent rocket, then advance the Sunkar schedule. The Soyuz-5
    Zenit class URMs can give you a SHLV. Three such URMs would be enough to send 51 tons into LEO which is twice the nominal Angara-5 payload.

    Russia needs to start building the Soyuz-5 URM rocket launch facilities today. They have enough information about this class of rockets to
    get started.

    They should also reconcile the Angara URMs and Soyuz-5 URMs for mutual use. A Soyuz-5 core surrounded by four Angara URMs would extend
    LEO capacity substantially.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:13 pm

    kvs wrote:Borisov must be boasting because he is talking about systems that do not exist.  //  

    I do not see any need to rush hydrogen infrastructure.   If they need a more potent rocket, then advance the Sunkar schedule.   The Soyuz-5

    yet for some reasons Roscosmos decides otherwise, Im presume there had to be reasons why, perhaps we don't know them?v
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    Post  thegopnik Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:54 pm

    Krylo-SV is to be launched somewhere this year with Irkut, Yenisei don't have official dates yet. Since all these new rockets are like on a 2028 timeframe is that the date the nuclear space tug project gets launched?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:57 am

    Upcoming Angara launches from Plesetsk in 2024. Also plans to launch 1st russified Rokot (no Ukropi junk onboard)  russia

    The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation checked the development of infrastructure at the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region

    Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu, inspected the progress of construction and modernization of infrastructure facilities at the 1st State Test Cosmodrome (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk Region.

    The head of the military department inspected the preparation complex for the launch of universal rocket modules of launch vehicles of the Angara space rocket complex, as well as the assembly halls for heavy and light class space rockets.

    Army General Sergei Shoigu heard a report from the Commander of the Space Forces - Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, Colonel General Alexander Golovko, on the commissioning of a new universal technical complex intended for the preparation of spacecraft for military and socio-economic purposes, upper stages "Briz-M" and space warheads for launch vehicles of the Angara family.

    The Russian Minister of Defense was informed that the spacecraft training complex is equipped with completely domestic standard basic sets of mechanical and technological equipment, fire extinguishing systems, communications, oxygen control, pneumatic and electrical testing.

    Following the results of the work, the head of the military department held a working meeting with representatives of the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense, heads of relevant military control bodies and the Plesetsk cosmodrome.

    Sergei Shoigu noted that the cosmodrome has completed the creation of infrastructure that provides launches of Angara launch vehicles of heavy and light classes with upper stages for launching spacecraft into all types of orbit in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Six launches of these missiles have already been successfully carried out. This year it is planned to carry out three more launches of launch vehicles of this class. With the completion of the modernization of the second launch complex of Soyuz launch vehicles, the cosmodrome’s capabilities to support spacecraft launches will double. Work is underway to modernize the Rokot light-class rocket and space complex, the testing of which is planned to begin in December of this year,” the Minister of Defense emphasized.

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