PapaDragon wrote:I diagnosed the issue here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
Look at the fertility charts of any European country after they gave Women more Freedom, their Fertility go's to sh%t.
PapaDragon wrote:I diagnosed the issue here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
Nibiru wrote:
In order to survive and preserve Russia's national integrity, drastic and forceful policies will have to be carried out.Why would you advocate such an inflammatory policy for Russia?
Even if the NYT benefited from it, it's not = that it is untrue.GarryB wrote:Don't care if it painted a spare room in its house, the NYT is incapable of seeing beyond its own interests.The NYT quoted a Russian researcher.
Funny that when it is poor oppressed people it is a caravan of invasion, but if they had skills in engineering or science they are encouraged to come anywhere...
Wow.... Westerners are so full of shit... the people have a right to know... as long as it is in our interests, otherwise lie right to their faces.No, they don't want to rock the boat of "harmony" under the CCP rule & avoid of the repeat of 1989.
When was it illegal?No, many got killed when it was illegal & many couldn't have kids again. Orphanages were also full.
Blocking food imports from the EU and US would make great strides in improving the quality of food Russians eat...U doubted they had nutrition problems & I posted some supporting info. If there r poor people, their nutrition will also be poor w/o help. We r talking about Russia, not USA or NZ, so pl. refrain from changing the subject!
Yeah, that is an argument often used regarding Russian wheat... and it sounds plausable... except it is close minded bigoted crap.The quality of that food will still be lower, as they don't produce certain things as well or at all that they been importing.
You are making assumptions without any evidence but now that I challenge you on it you will open your magic Russia is bad and can't do anything right list ..Don't waste your time.
Ahhh, this is about feminism... women with rights don't want to be women any more?The only way to increase the birth rate to a required level is to make conditions in which women don't have/willing to work outside of home at all. Then, many of them will chose to forget feminism, stay home, have the time & energy to have 2 or more babies & take care of the house shores.
Russian women have traditionally worked more than western women and really don't have issues with feminism... most of the time it is the grandparents that look after the kids while the parents work.Working women have difficulty finding adequate day care centers.
WTF has Sweden got to do with Russia? Talk about going off topic...The burdens of housework, caring for the children, and cooking and shopping are being borne primarily by women whether they work or not.
AlfaT8 wrote:..........
Look at the fertility charts of any European country after they gave Women more Freedom, their Fertility go's to sh%t.
PapaDragon wrote:AlfaT8 wrote:..........
Look at the fertility charts of any European country after they gave Women more Freedom, their Fertility go's to sh%t.
What are you smoking?
Fertility rates in West and North Europe are higher than ever.
Speaking of which, there r Muslim majority counties such as Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Malaysia & Indonesia (the largest in the World) that r not known for having major problems with their non-Muslims.
THIS RUSSIAN CHRISTIAN YOUTH MOVEMENT IS GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS
An RI writer attended an event of the organization 'Sorok Sorokov' and sends this report.
It's not always easy to be young, but to be a young Christian is even more challenging.
Russia has a very strong Christian foundation and traditions, but even here you can feel the influence of the Western movement of freedom, capitalism, feminism, and the “live like there is no tomorrow” attitude. It is this especially that affects the new generation irreversibly getting lost in their iPhones.
I am a twenty one years old Russian, I live in Moscow, and I am Orthodox Christian. And I can strongly feel how these trends affect my friends and I. So, is there a way to be young AND Christian?
Last weekend, thanks to the advice of my good friend, I attended the 4th annual cultural and sports festival “Orthodoxy and Sport”. The event was organized mostly for the young Christian community by the movement “Sorok Sorokov” (Forty Times Forty). The movement was started 3 years ago by two young Christian guys: Vladimir Nosov, a boxing champion of Russia and Europe, and Andrei Kormukhin, musician, social activist, and a devoted family man with 9 children.
In my capacity as Russia Insider reporter, I was lucky to get a chance to talk to Andrey Kormukhin:
The main goals of the movement are rather simple: protection of the Russian Orthodox Church, protection of the rights and freedoms of Orthodox Christians, and protection of traditional Orthodox values.
At first, “Sorok Sorokov” focused on three areas:
1.Helping the Russian Orthodox Church in implementation of the Patriarch's program “200 churches” in Moscow, as well as the Orthodox communities that for some reason were not included in the program, but wish to build a church;
2.Promoting healthy lifestyle within the program “Orthodoxy and Sport”;
3.Deconstructing myths about Orthodoxy as a religion of the weak, which, allegedly, ideologically exhausted itself and attracts nobody, except for “the grandmas in headscarves and the exalted part of society”.
In 2014, the event called “Sorochinsky meetings” started. These meetings collect prominent representatives of the clergy, as well as well-known scholars, athletes, artists and cultural figures. In a short time, "Sorochinsky meetings" have become very popular among young people.
more: http://pravoslavie.ru/97526.html
But this is a very cynical solution that presupposes that Christians and Muslims can't live together - whereas in fact in Russia they have been already for hundreds of years without major issues.
It's mostly because everyone else doesn't trust the Muslim population due to their history, recent at least.
Not saying they are all evil terrorists. But one group of people that an eye needs to be kept on for obvious reasons. And most see that with their numbers increase, so do the amount of issues.
In order to survive and preserve Russia's national integrity, drastic and forceful policies will have to be carried out.
As I mentioned before, Muslims are hated in countries like India, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Nigeria, Philippines, Serbia, Bulgaria, East Timor, etc. for a Reason.
In order to survive and preserve Russia's national integrity, drastic and forceful policies will have to be carried out. As I mentioned before, Muslims are hated in countries like India, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Nigeria, Philippines, Serbia, Bulgaria, East Timor, etc. for a Reason. The plight of non-Muslims in majority Islamic countries is not difficult to dig up. Conversion to other religions or becoming an Atheist is punishable in one way or another in almost all Islamic majority countries while at the same time Islamic organizations are lobbying non stop for right of Muslims to multiply and propagate in non-Islamic countries. A slow growth of Muslims is still growth and though it may take 20 years, 50 years, even 100 years, a time will come when Muslims will outnumber non Muslims and when that happens Muslims will be able to carry out their Jihad more openly, the massacre of non muslims will happen even in broad daylight. Islam is an ideology that is in constant war against non muslims until they conquer the whole world. China is setting up those re education camps in Xinjiang for a good reason. my only wish is for the rest of the world to follow China's example before the muslims completely take over other countries and expand their caliphate. In Indonesia, the former Governor of Jakarta has been forced to resign just because he was accused of Blasphemy and because he is a Christian, same fate goes to the girl in Pakistan whom the Islamists wanted dead because of false accusations of blasphemy. Having a significant Muslim population is trouble for every non-islamic countries and that includes Russia. there wouldn't be a 1st or 2nd Chechen war if Chechens were Christians or Buddhists.
in the end someone will have to make a decision, embrace replacement or put the Women down.
There is no Historical precedent of this ever working.
And i already explained how it will crash your birth rates.
No doubt, because Men are the ones who build and maintain society, not Women.
Religion is irrelevant, you can have a Muslim patriarchy, Christian patriarchy, Jewish, Buddhist, whateve, so long as the Men have authority over Women your population numbers wont falter.
Take a look at Iran, they allowed Women to have more freedom and their fertility rate went to sh%t, compare the Khomeini era to the Post-Khomeini era.
Look at the fertility charts of any European country after they gave Women more Freedom, their Fertility go's to sh%t.
so not this is not about Islam thsi is always abut power and money.
They would't be importing those foodstuffs if their own was as good. The ruling elite could care less & most could be imported from elsewhere.
Feminism is becoming popular in Russia.
The Swedish experiment showed that that those incentives alone don't work, & the same thing or worse would have happened in Russia.
Russia has surplus of females;
in a world w/o the Christian taboo against polygamy, the birth rate would have increased substantially. Muslims can have up to 4 wives & even with infant mortality & other strife they have no problem with population aging & decline.
The Chechen Wars had little to do with Islam. It was mostly to prevent the domino's effect of Russia's falling apart & keep the oil.
For its size, Russia should have 4x the official population figure.
There is a long list of atrocities committed by Muslims towards non-muslims in Islamic countries but I will leave it you people to do your research.
Yes, there r deadly incidents in those nations but in general it's not like in Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan. Converting from Islam is considered betrayal & treated as such; it's more than a religion, it's a way of life for them.
If they want to survive as a civilization, the Russians would be better off with Taoism &/ Buddhism than Orthodoxy, who's head is in Turkey btw. If the Russian Orthodox Church had all the right answers since 988, their history would be less bloody.
GarryB wrote:in the end someone will have to make a decision, embrace replacement or put the Women down.
Sorry... what?
You mean take the women who don't want kids right now to the vet and have them euthanased?
There is no Historical precedent of this ever working.
And i already explained how it will crash your birth rates.
In Russia there is no precedent of it NOT working.
No doubt, because Men are the ones who build and maintain society, not Women.
Men don't put up with pain like women do...
There is a joke:
Two people (a man and a woman) were arguing over what hurt more... child birth(for a woman), or a kick in the testicles(for a man).
The man finally won the argument by saying that the kick to the pills must hurt more because in 9 months time the man does not want another kick to the balls.
Be honest... if you had to squeese a baby out your arse... how many would you have?
Religion is irrelevant, you can have a Muslim patriarchy, Christian patriarchy, Jewish, Buddhist, whateve, so long as the Men have authority over Women your population numbers wont falter.
Take a look at Iran, they allowed Women to have more freedom and their fertility rate went to sh%t, compare the Khomeini era to the Post-Khomeini era.
Yeah, a feminist would say culturally supported rape is a great way to get the population growing... so you are just sexist and not a total bigot... that is nice to know.
Look at the fertility charts of any European country after they gave Women more Freedom, their Fertility go's to sh%t.
Actually I think you will find that improved education also effects birth rates... fertility rates are probably related to the chemicals in our food and our environment...
No, don't compare them with Swedes! Their environment is similar to Russia's & they r of the Caucasian race.So all I need is an experiment from the Zulu in Africa to show it will work?
Men die earlier even in the best of conditions, but in Russia many of them die from alcoholism/drugs & wars/accidents/crime in greater #s than women. Most military personnel r men, as well as in other dangerous occupations. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/08/14/why-the-former-ussr-has-far-fewer-men-than-women/How do you know?
You have already claimed that up to 57 million of them don't even exist... how do you know they weren't all women?
The area East of the Urals was (& still is) sparsely populated but was rich in furs, gold, ivory, etc.; greed was the motivation to take & exploit it while the W. Europeans colonized lands overseas. They sold Alaska & Fort Ross in California as those were economically unsustainable it could be easily lost. But if the FE was not Russian, it would've been colonized & settled by China & Japan.Maybe it is just a case that they were a superior imperial power and got rather more land than they needed...
Euthanised??..... going to the extremes again, ok.
No, strip them of any welfare, employment opportunity, and since they aren't making kids send them to the Draft and eventually to the front-lines.
Heck, using any one of these options alone would probly do the job.
A woman's pain tolerance during child birth only happens during child birth, people assume this proves their pain tolerance in general.
These people are idiots.
No, fertility rates have nothing to do with biology or chemicals, it's a statistical measurements.
No, don't compare them with Swedes! Their environment is similar to Russia's & they r of the Caucasian race.
Men die earlier even in the best of conditions, but in Russia many of them die from alcoholism/drugs & wars/accidents/crime in greater #s than women. Most military personnel r men, as well as in other dangerous occupations
There are 86 men for 100 women in Russia in the total population
Perhaps the best short term solution to population problem aside from increased immigration is cloning & genetic engineering. But how healthy those babies will be & who'll bring them up?
Biological androids could be created to work, explore space & even fight
But still there r a lot more of those who can't find a man because they either don't exist or r drunkards who can't handle even 1. Except the Orthodox Judaism, Islam is more of a life way than other monotheistic religions. The Muslim population will grow just because they stay sober & most of their women know their place for their own good.Yeah, but some of those women might not like men. Besides if 5 of those men are muslim they can handle 20 of the women themselves..
GarryB wrote:Euthanised??..... going to the extremes again, ok.
No, strip them of any welfare, employment opportunity, and since they aren't making kids send them to the Draft and eventually to the front-lines.
Well that is one interpretation of the term putting women down.
The other I was thinking of was like telling them those pants make them look fat, but I didn't really think that is what you were meaning.
Heck, using any one of these options alone would probly do the job.
Yeah, and soon as they find out they can't get unemployment benefits their legs will spread like butter in a bakers oven...
The amusing thing is that getting people on welfare is the last thing any government should be trying to be doing.
A woman's pain tolerance during child birth only happens during child birth, people assume this proves their pain tolerance in general.
These people are idiots.
Of course... what weakness only showing tolerance to pain during child birth... when else to they need it? When eating icecream?
Riding a motorbike?
No, fertility rates have nothing to do with biology or chemicals, it's a statistical measurements.
So chemical castration does not work... fertility has nothing to do with biology... and chemicals have nothing to do with biolology.. HUMAN BEINGS ARE CHEMICALS.
AlfaT8 wrote:.................
Are you trolling??
"The most commonly used metric is the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) – or often simply 'fertility rate' – which measures the average number of children per woman."
PapaDragon wrote:AlfaT8 wrote:.................
Are you trolling??
"The most commonly used metric is the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) – or often simply 'fertility rate' – which measures the average number of children per woman."
What's with this ''fertility'' nonsense?
European population is replenished routinely and efficiently from various inexhaustible sources.
They will not be experiencing population crisis anytime soon if ever.
PapaDragon wrote:
European population is replenished routinely and efficiently from various inexhaustible sources.
They will not be experiencing population crisis anytime soon if ever.
AlfaT8 wrote:............
I see, so your one of those who don't mind being replaced, ok.
Call me when the Albanians finally takes over Serbia.
PapaDragon wrote:AlfaT8 wrote:............
I see, so your one of those who don't mind being replaced, ok.
Call me when the Albanians finally takes over Serbia.
Oh wait, so NOW you have problems with being replaced? Now?
Aren't you little bit late for that party? Because that train has left the station back during Bush administration (the dead one's).
No point trying to do anything about it now unless you have time machine. Do you have one?
And trust me, by the time Albanians (or anyone else) replaces us, rest of Europe will be 7 generations into Grand European Caliphate so nobody is losing sleep over that here.
Fact that we will outlast you all is victory enough in our book. We have our popcorn ready.
Have fun
AlfaT8 wrote:You just need strong leaders, that Europe (mostly Western) doesn't have, secure the borders and put Mohameds on the nearest train back.
AlfaT8 wrote:And of course, put the local Women back in the Kitchen.
AlfaT8 wrote:Don't worry Serb, your time will come very soon, you already have weaklings in power, i will give you 1-1.5 generations.
GarryB wrote:
Not saying they are all evil terrorists. But one group of people that an eye needs to be kept on for obvious reasons. And most see that with their numbers increase, so do the amount of issues.
Say that with the right accent and you could be talking about Catholics...
GarryB wrote:
As I mentioned before, Muslims are hated in countries like India, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Nigeria, Philippines, Serbia, Bulgaria, East Timor, etc. for a Reason.
And look at how well that has turned out...
GarryB wrote:
In order to survive and preserve Russia's national integrity, drastic and forceful policies will have to be carried out. As I mentioned before, Muslims are hated in countries like India, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Nigeria, Philippines, Serbia, Bulgaria, East Timor, etc. for a Reason. The plight of non-Muslims in majority Islamic countries is not difficult to dig up. Conversion to other religions or becoming an Atheist is punishable in one way or another in almost all Islamic majority countries while at the same time Islamic organizations are lobbying non stop for right of Muslims to multiply and propagate in non-Islamic countries. A slow growth of Muslims is still growth and though it may take 20 years, 50 years, even 100 years, a time will come when Muslims will outnumber non Muslims and when that happens Muslims will be able to carry out their Jihad more openly, the massacre of non muslims will happen even in broad daylight. Islam is an ideology that is in constant war against non muslims until they conquer the whole world. China is setting up those re education camps in Xinjiang for a good reason. my only wish is for the rest of the world to follow China's example before the muslims completely take over other countries and expand their caliphate. In Indonesia, the former Governor of Jakarta has been forced to resign just because he was accused of Blasphemy and because he is a Christian, same fate goes to the girl in Pakistan whom the Islamists wanted dead because of false accusations of blasphemy. Having a significant Muslim population is trouble for every non-islamic countries and that includes Russia. there wouldn't be a 1st or 2nd Chechen war if Chechens were Christians or Buddhists.
Replace Muslim with Catholic, or Jehovahs witnesses, or pretty much any religion... they are all trying to assimilate us all because in their eyes they are the only ones that are right.
PapaDragon wrote:AlfaT8 wrote:Don't worry Serb, your time will come very soon, you already have weaklings in power, i will give you 1-1.5 generations.
That's still at least 1-1.5 generations more than you have even in worst case scenario so, awesome
Arrivederci!
But still there r a lot more of those who can't find a man because they either don't exist or r drunkards who can't handle even 1.
The Muslim population will grow just because they stay sober & most of their women know their place for their own good.
To dilute that, they could invite Ms of those single Chinese men to European part of RF & marry them off; 9 month later a baby boom will start. Most Russians have Tartar blood anyway as a result of the Mongol invasion.
I have been talking about consequences for a while now, never once was it about death.
Funny fact, back in the 90s the U.S Navy had ships they called "Love Boats" because these ship had a surplus of Female personnel.
But as soon as the first Gulf War started, these "Love Boats" were hit by a serious problem, a significant amount of their Female personnel became pregnant, creating serious lack of personnel during a War.
Yap, that's what happens when you cut off their money supply, they'll go out and find a Man real fast.
Less so for Russia and more so for Europe, they love welfare, Greece for example, despite being in austerity and selling of everything they could, are now deeper in debt, because they refuse to drop their welfare programs.
What did you expect would happen, the Brain/Body release pain suppressants for birth, and births only.
Are you trolling??
"The most commonly used metric is the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) – or often simply 'fertility rate' – which measures the average number of children per woman."
I see, so your one of those who don't mind being replaced, ok.
And of course, put the local Women back in the Kitchen.
Don't worry Serb, your time will come very soon, you already have weaklings in power, i will give you 1-1.5 generations.
Better get subscription to Cooking Channel, you will need it, can't live on fast-food all your life
I grew up in a Catholic majority country and myself from a Catholic family though I am not religious, I have never seen Catholics forcing other non-Catholics to convert through the use of threats and violence, Some Catholic groups/ figures might try to interfere with some political issues but Not as Aggressive like Muslim political groups in Malaysia and Indonesia etc.
And what are you suggesting as an alternative? surrender to Muslims and just allow them to have their way and proceed to Islamize these countries? It is like saying the Soviet Union should have just capitulated to the Nazi because look at how fighting back against the Nazis turned out.. 27 million dead Soviets...
How can you seriously compare Catholic, Jehovahs, Protestants, even Buddhists to Islam? We need to be realistic here, it is like comparing a simple flu to a deadly cancer.
It seems a lot of people are already aware of the High and Very likely possibility that Europe will be Islamized in the future, but why does it sound like people like you are resigned to this likely fate? I simply dont understand why no one is doing any actions to reverse this trend. It is like someone diagnosed with a stage 1 cancer and decided NOT to do anything about it.
Basing on the majority of comments in here that downplays the threat of Islam to the entire world, I guess being educated, smart, intelligent and knowledgeable is NOT enough to make someone realize the dangers of Islam and its creeping expansion, Personal experience may be the only key to wake people up. Maybe you people have other things to think about, or maybe the problems or troubles associated with Islam has Not yet reached your shores, But sooner or later it will, and when that time comes you and your families will suffer, just like how the Hindus in India, Buddhists in Myanmar, Thailand, Christians in Russia, Philippines, East Timor, Egypt suffered from the hands of muslims.
GarryB wrote:I have been talking about consequences for a while now, never once was it about death.
Your lack of respect for the fact that women are just people too led me to assume you meant put them down as in like put them down like a dog or cat or other pet.
My mistake, but your actual meaning was not that clear.
Funny fact, back in the 90s....
Well there you go... Russia just needs conscription for women and to declare war on countries a lot and the birthrate will be enormous...
I have seen some comments about that Norwegian ship that crashed into the oil tanker had 5 out of 6 navigators on board being women and it was the pride of their navy because of the large number of women on board... really don't know how much that influenced what actually happened though.
Yap, that's what happens when you cut off their money supply, they'll go out and find a Man real fast.
You are assuming that all Russian women are sitting on the unemployment benefit bitching about how they have no local studs to corner and entrap with a child.
Some Russian women work for a living and pay their own bills and really don't need a man, except for entertainment.
Less so for Russia and more so for Europe, they love welfare, Greece for example, despite being in austerity and selling of everything they could, are now deeper in debt, because they refuse to drop their welfare programs.
Of course, because stopping payments people need to stay alive is always going to have good results... I mean where else could they possibly get any money... they couldn't ask the richest people in the country to get rid of their accountants and actually pay taxes for a change or anything...
I mean when an enormous number of people can't pay their house loans and even when the bank steps in and seizes their houses and sell them and it still doesn't pay back the money loaned because house prices have dropped... you don't spend government money helping those worthless homeless people working 2-3 minimum wage jobs just to have any chance of paying for their lifestyle... you give 750 billion to those rich bankers so their CEOs can get multi million dollar bonus packages... because these unfortunate guys get enormous salaries anyway, and all their travel and food is paid for by the company.... terrible...
What did you expect would happen, the Brain/Body release pain suppressants for birth, and births only.
Of course... that is why they get epidural medication during child birth... all that screaming is just milking it so they get a nice bracelet or ring at the end, and also so they can lay around for the rest of the day in bed... lazy greedy bitches.
Are you trolling??
I really wish you were, but am afraid you are not.
I am no where near an expert on women... but even I know you know nothing.
"The most commonly used metric is the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) – or often simply 'fertility rate' – which measures the average number of children per woman."
But is it a measure of how many they can have, or how many they are likely to have?
BTW statistics regarding such things is amusing... say a woman and her partner have a 70% chance of having a boy... they have had two kids... both girls... what is the chance that their third child will be a boy.
Did you guess 100%?
Wrong.
If the chance of having a boy is 70% then that is the chance irrespective of what gender her previous children are.
The problem with that of course is that certain situations can actually effect the chances... AFAIK so there will never be a fixed number for gender of the child... if they could predict gender then there would be no need to use an ultrasound device to find out.
Equally fertility rate... to know how fertile a woman is you would need to know if she is getting any.... having a fertility rate of 100 means nothing if she is a good girl and keeps her legs crossed. Equally a low fertility score wont matter if it never gets a rest so to speak... eventually one will slip passed the goalie.
I see, so your one of those who don't mind being replaced, ok.
Replaced?
You pure breds are the worst.
I know a lot of Maori who think like you, except the Maori killed off the people who were here before them... they were called the Moriori... but of course the amusing thing is that both the Morirori and the Maori are pretty much Pacific Islanders anyway... which is technically what I am too... New Zealand is an island in the Pacific.
And of course, put the local Women back in the Kitchen.
Yeah... women have smaller feet than men... so they can stand closer to the sink... women wear white when they are married so they match the fridge and oven and other white wear.... of course when they are pregnant they stand further away from the sink, but a good bib should deal with the water slopping on the floor.
Don't worry Serb, your time will come very soon, you already have weaklings in power, i will give you 1-1.5 generations.
Considering you are so worried about the purity in your own country it is amusing you direct insults towards a country the EU basically pissed all over and infected with that sort of problem.
Even more so with your regions destruction of Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, and interference in Egypt and most other African countries that has led to this economic migration to Europe.
The sad thing is that your reaction is to beat your women and demand they pump out babies like China pumps out Frigates... perhaps if you used your economic and military and political power to actually fixing these countries and creating stable growing economies to offer places where the locals will want to stay and bring up their families instead of raping their countries and living high on the plunder.
Sadly europe is not mature and civilised enough to work that out for itself yet...
PapaDragon wrote:AlfaT8 wrote:Don't worry Serb, your time will come very soon, you already have weaklings in power, i will give you 1-1.5 generations.
That's still at least 1-1.5 generations more than you have even in worst case scenario so, awesome
Arrivederci!
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