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    Police and Crime in Russia

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 12, 2021 8:21 am

    Shit like this, you can't prevent all the time. Every now and then one gets through. RIP to the dead. But I agree with Papa, it's the shrinks who fucked up here and didn't do their jobs properly. Clearing him and allowing him to obtain a gun permit is the issue.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 12, 2021 2:20 pm

    Start with the shrink and try to find other influencers on this loser. Have them shot.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 12, 2021 5:28 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/523599-revise-gun-laws-kazan-shooting/

    So they are gonna make sure people who have bad psychie and or previous convictions from obtaining gun licenses.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed May 12, 2021 7:10 pm

    "MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children. Capital punishment is in the country’s statutes, but has been frozen due to Russia’s membership in the Council of Europe"

    Dunno why they make this sound like some extreme, that's quite a fitting punishment for the crime. Also that articles says

    "Vyacheslav Volodin, the head of the State Duma, also chimed in, stressing the need for a strong procedure to stop those with “an unstable psyche” from obtaining weapons"

    That means someone mentioned it not that they are going to do that.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children....

    Why give them easy way out when Russia has places like Pyatak and Black Dolphin that will give them lifetime of wanting to die but not being allowed to?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children....

    Why give them easy way out when Russia has places like Pyatak and Black Dolphin that will give them lifetime of wanting to die but not being allowed to?


    Keeping people alive costs money and black dolphin has gotten lax over the years, plus to many people being alive even in a place like that is better then death
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 13, 2021 11:18 am

    Personally I think a for life term that means till you die, with hard labour, and any money you generate from that labour is directed to the family members of those you killed.

    It was a similar problem here.

    The Aussie nutter that came here and murdered 51 people applied for and got his licence on line.

    You need two referees to vouch for your character, and his two referees had never met him... they only knew him from online... so it is effectively the same as two people from this forum vouching for another member as being a sane and responsible person to own fire arms.

    Ridiculous.

    So now they have all sorts of brand new laws rushed through without thinking about it very much, but if the existing rules had been applied properly this might not have happened.

    The fact of the matter is that a pump action shotgun with a tube magazine is deadly at short range... if you are shooting people inside a building then they have little chance of survival... it does not matter how big the magazine is... most competition shooters have a bag over their shoulder filled with ammo and as they shoot they feed new rounds into the tube... essentially every time you fire a shot you load a shot so you essentially have an unlimited magazine.

    Most of the professional shooters do not buy the long tube magazines because they take too long to fully load up and when they are loaded they are heavy and make sweeping the gun to follow moving targets like Ducks harder and slower.

    A pump action shotgun or semi auto, with a tube magazine of 3-4 shots would be the ideal weapon... the only defence is to shoot them first.

    You will notice shooting rampages never take place on a shooting range and the few that happen in a police station happen there because that is where they started.

    The planned ones happen in childrens schools, malls, hospitals, or concerts... lots of people and not many guns to shoot back.

    Someone with the mentality to kill people at random is not going to hand in a firearm, and when you ban them then you effectively create a black market so they could choose from all sorts of much more exotic stuff.

    Pipe bombs are not hard to make apparently, and how much of a step is it from an impact detonated pipe bomb to a mortar that could launch exploding things into a crowd from a distance.

    If you have money you can buy all sorts of scary stuff... high school level metalwork skills would allow most people to make a sub machine gun.

    3D printers are only going to make things worse...

    It was mentioned that gun users always complain about the focus being on gun control, sure I don't want people to take all of my guns away.... they have already taken three away and guess what... I still have a few shotguns that would be far more suitable to the task of being a cocksucker asshole than the weapons they took away and destroyed.

    They can ban all the guns they want but this is not a gun problem, it is a people problem.

    Banning guns is making people feel paranoid because they always say you are just being paranoid... we only want to take the guns off the criminals... but they took them off everyone but the criminals... the criminals didn't hand their guns in...

    Ignoring the mental health issues is natural, because most countries have poor mental health funding and support and they don't want to change that because that costs money... they would rather spend that money on pay rises for themselves, or trips overseas to see how they do it in this country or that one... and take their whole family of course...

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 13, 2021 11:21 am

    Just had a brilliant idea....

    The offenders of this sort of crime should automatically become limb donors... so anyone who has lost a limb can request a check of suitability and if this killer has compatible blood types or whatever is needed then they lose an arm or a leg or both... or all four... once they have lost their limbs there is less risk of them escaping so a lower security prison could take them...

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 13, 2021 10:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children....
    Why give them easy way out when Russia has places like Pyatak and Black Dolphin that will give them lifetime of wanting to die but not being allowed to?

    Keeping people alive costs money and black dolphin has gotten lax over the years, plus to many people being alive even in a place like that is better then death

    Punishment does cost money and it is money well spent if it get you what you pay for: punishment

    I am not against death penalty but considering the methods we use today it can only be described as easy way out, if we had something like Spanish Inquisition or Vlad the Impaler to do their thing it would be a different story but we don't

    Keeping someone in a box like Pyatak or ADX Florence while their mind rots away for decades and they wish they could die but are denied the satisfaction is the best compromise we can make in today's society (''I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream'' type of situation)

    But if they are to be kept in some hotel style prison for just 25 years like in Norway then I say we definitely go for bullet to the head, better to just kill them fast than reward them with de-luxe accommodation



    GarryB wrote:...Personally I think a for life term that means till you die, with hard labour, and any money you generate from that labour is directed to the family members of those you killed.

    Work is seen as a reward and relaxation for prisoners, it would be counterproductive

    Do the Japanese thing: force them to sit and stare at the white wall

    In Japan they do it for days, now just imagine doing it for weeks or months?

    Physical torture has expiration date and ends when your body gives out but mind lasts much longer and mental punishment is much lengthier and more horrifying




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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri May 14, 2021 1:13 am

    GarryB wrote:Just had a brilliant idea....

    The offenders of this sort of crime should automatically become limb donors... so anyone who has lost a limb can request a check of suitability and if this killer has compatible blood types or whatever is needed then they lose an arm or a leg or both... or all four... once they have lost their limbs there is less risk of them escaping so a lower security prison could take them...

    Well you can do that with organs not limbs but yes wonderful idea.
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    Post  mnztr Thu May 20, 2021 9:08 am

    I heard these tragic details about the incident. The school security plan was executed and orders to lock all class doors was sent over the public address system. One teacher however had to peak out of the door. She was killed and all the kids that were shot are from that class. So sad

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 21, 2021 10:01 am

    The whole idea of rules and procedures is to keep people safe, ultimately we can't blame her for what happened, but if she did what she was supposed to do it would have not been so bad perhaps.

    Realistically if he hadn't shot her and some children in her class he might have used some determination to get into a room and kill people anyway... I don't think he would have given up and gone home because the doors were locked.

    It is not really fair to go back and say if this person didn't do this then everything would have been OK... I mean if one guy had decided to drink before driving the night before and had run this kid over and killed him he could not have done this, but that is no reason for everyone to start drink driving...
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    Post  franco Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:21 pm

    Crimes kill almost 12,000 people in Russia over six months in 2021. In all, over six months, Russia has documented over 1 mln crimes


    MOSCOW, July 20. /TASS/. Almost 12,000 people have been killed in Russia as a result of crimes since the beginning of the year, about 17,000 people have been injured while the financial losses on closed and suspended criminal cases amounted to 222 bln rubles (over $2.9 bln), according to statistics of Russia’s Interior Ministry made available to TASS.

    "As a result of criminal offences, 11,800 people were killed, the health of 16,900 people was grievously harmed. Rural areas account for 37.4% of those killed (4,400 people), urban areas and urban-type settlements account for 67.8% of individuals whose health was grievously harmed (11,500)," according to the agency’s data.

    The financial losses from closed and suspended criminal cases amounted to 222 bln rubles which is 24.2% less than the same indicator last year. The main share of the losses belongs to the crimes in the cities and urban-type settlements. Some 142.7 bln rubles (over $1.9 bln) are damages from financial crimes which grew by 10.8%. In all, over six months, 70,400 crimes in this category were detected, including 60,000 uncovered by police.

    In all, over six months, Russia has documented over 1 mln crimes (1.1% more than during the same period last year). A growth in recorded crimes was noted in 46 Russian regions and a decrease was documented in 39 regions.

    https://tass.com/society/1316027
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:15 pm

    franco wrote:Crimes kill almost 12,000 people in Russia over six months in 2021. In all, over six months, Russia has documented over 1 mln crimes
    https://tass.com/society/1316027

    Hmmm... maybe inviting Ukrainians to flee Banderastan wasn't a good idea? Send them back and you'll both reduce crime in Russia, and improve the collective IQ of both nations (*)

    (*) Correction: the Ukraine is not a nation and never will be. Twisted Evil
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:06 pm

    [quote="miketheterrible"][quote="Backman"][quote="bitcointrader70"][quote="Backman"][quote="bitcointrader70"][quote="miketheterrible"]
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:If you end up in prison anyway, why not just murder some children... you get free room and board...


    Wow young people are lazy in a wealthy country. Who could imagine.who could imagine that currently with the government paying  people to stay home cause of Covid that young retarded people don’t want to work.

    Yeah you can survive off welfare and social security for better or worse much better than anything Putin offers.

    What alternate reality are you living in ?   Suspect  

    America's Unusual High Rates Of Old-Age Poverty And Old-Age Work

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2018/03/02/americas-unusual-high-rates-of-old-age-poverty-and-old-age-work/?sh=13128a1e458a

    Pensions are usually negotiated between the parties involved. And the state usually pays what it reasonably can. That's it. What you are whinging about , I don't know.

    My old man worked for the military back in the 80's.  IBM in the 70's and for government from 90's to now.  He will be retiring soon.  The amount he will be getting from his retirement will not be even enough to pay rent.  So of course he will sell the home and everything else while getting a cheap car and live off of a mixture between the pension, what he gets for the home and his investments.

    They just love to blame Russia for having the same issue.  They are just retards.



    The part about rent, nowadays, is true!  
    My son and daughter both had the good fortune to buy houses before the price of houses went up. I think my daughter and her husband and family have been in their house about 11 years. It's out in the country, a big house, 4 bedroom, 2 bath, the place has a "shop" (or barn), couple of acres,  and all they paid at the time was $60,000. They about have it paid for.

    My son and his wife sold the house (2 story) that they had built, and bought a single story brick, 3 bedroom , 2 bath, for about $80,000, and paid for it with the sale of their house.

    Now an 800 square foot house is renting for over $1,000 in this area, IF you can find anywhere to rent! There's no houses to rent, and no houses to buy!! or not many to buy!
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    Post  kvs Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:01 pm



    The migrant thugs who viciously attacked a Moscow resident are facing 20 years in jail.

    GOOD.

    Do not slap them on the wrist. That the victim did not die does not absolve them of de facto murder.

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    Post  par far Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:03 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The migrant thugs who viciously attacked a Moscow resident are facing 20 years in jail.

    GOOD.

    Do not slap them on the wrist.   That the victim did not die does not absolve them of de facto murder.




    Good, do we know where these cocksuckers were from?

    Russia does not take this crap lightly, there was that cocksucker Tiktoker from Tajikistan, that took a disgusting picture in front of Church, he spent 10 days in jail and was deported.

    They were from Dagestan and people wonder why many hate Muslims.

    Hopefully the young man recovers.

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    Post  kvs Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:55 pm

    They listed their names and they are all from the Muslim former USSR republics.

    One of them tried to attack a cop with a utility knife during arrest. Throw the book at these clowns. Maybe some Sharia law should
    be applied.

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    Post  franco Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:44 am

    Almost 20,000 people killed as result of crimes in Russia in 2021 — ministry

    MOSCOW, November 20. /TASS/. Almost 20,000 people in Russia were killed as a result of various crimes in January-October 2021, according to the Russian Interior Ministry’s statistics obtained by TASS.

    "As a result of criminal acts, 19,800 people were killed, and 27,500 people sustained grievous bodily harm. Rural areas account for 37.5% of all deaths (7,400). Cities and urban-type settlements account for 67.8% of individuals who sustained grievous bodily harm," the document says.

    About four crimes out of five are registered in cities and urban-type settlements (1.4 million in total). Rural areas account for one fifth of the tally, or about 318,500 crimes in total.

    Overall, a total of 1,705,800 crimes have been registered in Russia in the reported period, down 1.9% year-on-year. The growth in crimes was registered in 29 Russian regions, while in 56 regions their number declined compared to last year.
    Economic impact

    The damage caused by crimes in Russia has amounted to 724.3 bln rubles (almost $9.9 bln at the current exchange rate) over the past ten months, which is almost 70% more than a year ago, according to the Interior Ministry’s statistics on crime made available to TASS.

    "The damage from crimes (according to completed and suspended criminal cases) amounted to 724.3 bln rubles which is 66.4% less than the same indicator last year. The majority of damages (93.4%) is related to the crimes recorded in cities and urban settlements," the document said.

    According to the Interior Ministry, the number of economic crimes has increased by 5.8% compared to last year’s data. From January to October, the law enforcement has detected 101,700 crimes in this category. Damage inflicted by serious and particularly serious economic crimes, which account for 62.6% of all economic crimes registered in the reported period, amounts to 577.7 billion rubles.

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    Post  franco Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:40 pm

    The expert spoke about the changes in the law on expanding the powers of the police

    Lawyer Gleb Podyablonsky, in a conversation with Zvezda, explained the consequences of the amendments to the law on the abuse of police powers in the lives of Russians. He highlighted the change, according to which law enforcement officers will be able to enter apartments and other premises, if they are informed about the presence of a criminal in them.

    “Now the police, in order to break into any house, it is enough to say:“ And we were chasing a criminal, and it seemed to us that he ran there, ”- says the specialist.

    Podyablonsky also noted that the unhindered opening of cars by the police "gives them carte blanche" to carry out an inspection without the knowledge of the driver. At the same time, the expert says, if a law enforcement officer suspects a person has prohibited items with him, he has the right to conduct a personal examination of the citizen.

    “Previously, what procedure was there - at least two witnesses, but now they can simply conduct a personal examination. Not a search, but an inspection, ”the lawyer noted.

    "The cherry on the cake" Podyablonsky called the innovation, which says that the security forces have the right to introduce themselves after the arrest of the suspect. The expert said that he had the opportunity to communicate with the police, who told him that in many ways their "hands are tied". But on the other hand, the lawyer believes, the law is a "double-edged sword", and its implementation depends on how and who will enforce it.

    “If he finds himself in the hands of honest, conscientious, law-abiding, executive police officers, he will give them a lot more opportunities to protect you and me. But if it turns out to be in the hands of not entirely honest police officers, it gives them such opportunities to twist a ram's horn, which will not seem like little, ”he said.

    Earlier, lawyer Elena Grin spoke about the advantages of amendments to the law "On Police". According to the Deputy Head of the Department of Intellectual Property Rights of the O.E. Kutafin (MFYA), the innovations will allow the police to respond in a timely manner in the event of a threat to the lives of citizens. ■

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:27 pm

    Putin agreed with the idea of ​​creating a probation service in Russia

    The service will be engaged in social adaptation and rehabilitation of former prisoners, the Minister of Justice of the Russian Federation noted.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed with the idea of ​​creating a probation service within the structure of the Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN), which will provide support to people who have served their sentences in places of deprivation of liberty. Minister of Justice of the Russian Federation Konstantin Chuichenko told the head of state about this project. He noted that such a service would deal with social adaptation and rehabilitation of former prisoners.

    “Currently, we have developed a law on probation. This is the same service, and we are deliberately avoiding the word "inspection", because the inspection is still a control and supervisory history, but here, after all, this activity is closer to the soul of a person, this, I would say, is a human story. . And therefore, these people must have special knowledge - we will need to create an academic discipline, the subject of which will be the training of relevant specialists," Chuichenko said.

    Also, as part of this initiative, the Minister proposed the creation of the position of Deputy Director of the Federal Penitentiary Service, who will take over the leadership of the probation service. He noted that the new structure could start work in mid-2023. The relevant bill will be sent to the State Duma in the near future.

    Earlier, Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Volodin promised to do everything possible for the quickest possible adoption of a law on life imprisonment for pedophiles. He stated this after the tragic murder of a five-year-old girl in Kostroma. It is planned to work out the law together with the Federal Penitentiary Service, according to Volodin. ■

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:32 pm

    In this ranking, Russia (330) has almost half the US (639) rate of prisoners per 100,000 populations.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:59 pm

    franco wrote:In this ranking, Russia (330) has almost half the US (639) rate of prisoners per 100,000 populations.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/

    Before Putin's judicial reforms Russia was catching up with the USA. I think this was deliberate on the part of comprador
    stooge Yeltsin. He was following the wishes of his owners in Washington. Washington could point at Russia and say,
    look they have more than we do, our shining utopia is best.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:41 pm

    Just like western business has lost sight of its role to provide services and products to customers, and instead is focussing on profit for shareholders and owners, the western justice system seems focused on closing cases and getting a conviction. Bully and frighten the people you have in custody till they confess... something like 80% of cases are plea bargained... they tell the person they are holding that they have evidence against them and that if they don't confess their penalty will be two or three times what it will be if they confess to doing it right now.

    Rich people get away with crime because they can afford lawyers, while the poor go to jail even for things they didn't do. How could the jury think the police are wrong... they arrested this guy because they investigated it and think he did it so it is our job to convict... and get this criminal off the streets.

    Ironically owning a prison is big business in the US... you get government money to ensure conditions are safe and secure, but you can also make the inmates pay for food and clothing etc etc. There is no minimum wage in prison in the US so inmates can either sit in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day or work for $1 a day doing factory type work. Either way it does not cost the prison owners much, but they can make money going for contracts to make things where they can undercut anyone because no one else can match their wage costs.

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