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    Russian-Made Crash Notification

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri May 07, 2021 12:36 am

    The plane will be repaired, the crew unfortunately died of a freak accident. I'm sure they will check to see what caused the plane to activate ejection system while it was still on the ground
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    Post  GarryB Fri May 07, 2021 2:50 pm

    Zero zero ejection seats would not have helped... the one guy that survived was belted in but the other three were not, so even a zero zero ejection seat would not have saved them if they were not belted in.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:09 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528454-plane-missing-far-east-kamchatka/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com%2F%3Ffromzen%3Dabro

    Sad news. An An-26 crashed in the far East with 28 onboard.
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    Post  franco Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:09 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/528454-plane-missing-far-east-kamchatka/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com%2F%3Ffromzen%3Dabro

    Sad news. An An-26 crashed in the far East with 28 onboard.

    Saw a video somewhere today on twitter of the crash site taken from a helicopter. Forget any chance of survivors, they will be hard pressed to recover remains. The coastline there is a 150 meter or so straight down rock cliff. The plane hit it just at the top.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:54 pm

    franco wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/528454-plane-missing-far-east-kamchatka/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com%2F%3Ffromzen%3Dabro

    Sad news. An An-26 crashed in the far East with 28 onboard.

    Saw a video somewhere today on twitter of the crash site taken from a helicopter. Forget any chance of survivors, they will be hard pressed to recover remains. The coastline there is a 150 meter or so straight down rock cliff. The plane hit it just at the top.  

    Do you happen to know what the main theory is to the crash?
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    Post  franco Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:10 pm

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    Post  franco Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:20 am

    More info plus video...

    https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1189579/2021-07-07/tanker-prisoedinilsia-k-poiskam-na-meste-krusheniia-26-na-kamchatke?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:08 pm

    You can bet the age of the plane had something to do with it... time to get some new planes into service and those older planes out.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:46 am

    I really wish Russia would take steps to improve its civil aviation transport.
    At one point it was 1 or 1.5 major disasters a year. Now its around 1 crash every two years.

    Many of these planes are far too old. Anti-terrorism security needs to be at the level of say Israel.
    America hasn't had an airline crash for I think nearly 2 decades.

    Air traffic control, and runway features also need improvements, and it seems some pilots are lacking.
    Russia isn't a poor country, and its got a magnificent aviation tradition. So its very sad to see Russia trail behind other major powers in aviation safety.

    Putin is a terrific leader, but I can't help but think 3 or 4 rungs down from him you have a fair amount of garbage that should be replaced. Very sad and RIP to the victims of this crash.
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    Post  Mir Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:08 pm

    Firebird wrote:I really wish Russia would take steps to improve its civil aviation transport.
    At one point it was 1 or 1.5 major disasters a year. Now its around 1 crash every two years.

    Many of these planes are far too old. Anti-terrorism security needs to be at the level of say Israel.
    America hasn't had an airline crash for I think nearly 2 decades.

    Air traffic control, and runway features also need improvements, and it seems some pilots are lacking.
    Russia isn't a poor country, and its got a magnificent aviation tradition. So its very sad to see Russia trail behind other major powers in aviation safety.

    Putin is a terrific leader, but I can't help but think 3 or 4 rungs down from him you have a fair amount of garbage that should be replaced. Very sad and RIP to the victims of this crash.

    I'm no FAA expert but the plane crashed straight into a sheer cliff - most likely due to pilot error in bad weather conditions. I can't see any evidence so far suggesting any terrorist plot and it's unlikely to be one.

    This is NOT a major airline crash - just a tragic accident of a civil aviation plane. These accidents are unfortunate but they do happen each year, and that includes the USA.

    The last major US airline accident was in November 2001 with American Airlines Flight 587 where 265 people lost their lives.

    Just before that two United Airlines Planes claimed nearly 3000 lives when they crashed into the WTC. A tragic event with some very dark undertones that changed the World forever.

    Sometimes you can stop these things from happening, but sometimes shit happens.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:50 am

    Of course when the problem is pilot error there is only so much a brand new plane can do... I mean look at that Boeing 777 they lost...

    At the end of the day even with the newest planes in service crashes will happen.

    The main delay for most of the aircraft to replace the old planes in use is engines and they are sorting that out.

    Ironically the dumbest thing they could do is rush the damn things into production and service because that will result in accidents... do you get that irony?

    All they can do is examine what happened and try to work out solutions and changes to new aircraft that might make the mistakes or problems less likely to lead to a crash... more precise navigation... basic radar systems that warn of cliff faces ahead... stuff that makes a drunk pilot sober before they can start the engines... that sort of stuff.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:32 am

    Firebird wrote:I really wish Russia would take steps to improve its civil aviation transport.
    At one point it was 1 or 1.5 major disasters a year. Now its around 1 crash every two years.

    Many of these planes are far too old. Anti-terrorism security needs to be at the level of say Israel.
    America hasn't had an airline crash for I think nearly 2 decades.

    Air traffic control, and runway features also need improvements, and it seems some pilots are lacking.
    Russia isn't a poor country, and its got a magnificent aviation tradition. So its very sad to see Russia trail behind other major powers in aviation safety.

    Putin is a terrific leader, but I can't help but think 3 or 4 rungs down from him you have a fair amount of garbage that should be replaced. Very sad and RIP to the victims of this crash.

    Meh. What do you mean by civil aviation transport ? The latest civil transport crash in the US was in 2019. A Boeing 767.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:59 pm

    BE-200 crashes in Turkey in apparent CFIT accident. https://www.rt.com/russia/532050-russian-firefighter-plane-crash-turkey/

    Do these planes havce TAWS and would it be useful in water bombing? Not sure. Cloud and snow covered peaks are super dangerous. RIP to the dead.
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    Post  Mir Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:39 pm

    mnztr wrote:BE-200 crashes in Turkey in apparent CFIT accident. https://www.rt.com/russia/532050-russian-firefighter-plane-crash-turkey/

    Do these planes havce TAWS and would it be useful in water bombing? Not sure. Cloud and snow covered peaks are super dangerous. RIP to the dead.

    This aircraft is very well equipped for any emergency role and purpose designed for water bombing. It can land on any open stretch of water to ingest water for fire fighting This is the type of aircraft I would gladly suggest for our own annual forest fires that are mostly due to arsonist's work. Being a modern aircraft it will have some form of TAWS yes.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:38 pm

    Mir wrote:
    mnztr wrote:BE-200 crashes in Turkey in apparent CFIT accident. https://www.rt.com/russia/532050-russian-firefighter-plane-crash-turkey/

    Do these planes havce TAWS and would it be useful in water bombing? Not sure. Cloud and snow covered peaks are super dangerous. RIP to the dead.

    This aircraft is very well equipped for any emergency role and purpose designed for water bombing. It can land on any open stretch of water to ingest water for fire fighting This is the type of aircraft I would gladly suggest for our own annual forest fires that are mostly due to arsonist's work. Being a modern aircraft it will have some form of TAWS yes.

    I am just wondering if TAWS is useful in waterbombing as they are often below minimums. Or did they fly into a dead end canyon.
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    Post  franco Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:43 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    mnztr wrote:BE-200 crashes in Turkey in apparent CFIT accident. https://www.rt.com/russia/532050-russian-firefighter-plane-crash-turkey/

    Do these planes havce TAWS and would it be useful in water bombing? Not sure. Cloud and snow covered peaks are super dangerous. RIP to the dead.

    This aircraft is very well equipped for any emergency role and purpose designed for water bombing. It can land on any open stretch of water to ingest water for fire fighting This is the type of aircraft I would gladly suggest for our own annual forest fires that are mostly due to arsonist's work. Being a modern aircraft it will have some form of TAWS yes.

    I am just wondering if TAWS is useful in waterbombing as they are often below minimums. Or did they fly into a dead end canyon.

    From one of the videos that I have seen pretty much "Or did they fly into a dead end canyon" that was completely filled with heavy smoke.
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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:44 pm

    RIP Sad

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4373428.html
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:54 pm

    George1 wrote:RIP  Sad

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4373428.html

    More comments in the Il-112 thread.
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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:44 pm

    RIP

    MiG-29 plane crashes in Russia’s Astrakhan Region, pilot dead - Southern Military District

    https://tass.com/emergencies/1327605

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    Post  marat Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:38 am

    Another Mig 29 lost?
    https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1429953109099376653

    Or false claim?
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:02 am

    That's a lot of aircrafts loses this year, shit happens i guess but god this is just unlucky
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    Post  franco Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:33 pm

    marat wrote:Another Mig 29 lost?
    https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1429953109099376653

    Or false claim?

    Appears so and from the same unit as the crashed mig.
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    Post  Cheetah Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:40 am

    Yet another crash (Su-24):
    https://tass.com/emergencies/1331119
    MOSCOW, August 27. /TASS/. A Su-24 bomber crashed near the city of Perm in the Urals and its pilots ejected, the press office of Russia’s Central Military District reported on Friday...

    ..."The flight was without payload. The plane crashed in a forest area. There is no destruction on the ground," the District said...

    ..."The [rescue] team has found the Su-24 crew, their lives are not in danger," the source said.

    Fortunately, no loss of life.
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    Post  Broski Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:34 am

    Alright, what the hell is going on with all these crashes? Is this normal?
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    Post  TMA1 Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:03 am

    Broski wrote:Alright, what the hell is going on with all these crashes? Is this normal?

    It is strange, but in case of su 24 I am not as shocked. Would be like saying an su 22 (my fav) had just crashed.

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