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    Russian-Made Crash Notification

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:16 pm

    They came too fast Shocked altimetre was dead for sure and they had no visibility.

    A large plane like this is full of fuel when it takes off and normally takes off with way too much weight to safely land.

    Normally it is not a problem because the plane is flying somewhere and by the time it gets there it has burned off 20+ tons of fuel so it is much lighter when it tries to land.

    This aircraft tried to land without a big flight to burn off some fuel, so it was seriously over weight... which means it takes a lot more room to slow down and all the bumps on the runway incur more stress on the structure which is not designed to land at those sorts of weights.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:42 pm

    Note the damage on the top of the fuselage on this Tu-22M which crashed in 2017.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:21 pm

    Close examination of the Tu-22M3 crash video allows this conclusion.


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    While #Russia MoD reportedly stated the Tu-22M3 involved was not carrying weapons imagery suggests at very least an [unarmed] Kh-22 training round on port wing.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Close examination of the Tu-22M3 crash video allows this conclusion.


    Joseph Dempsey
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    While #Russia MoD reportedly stated the Tu-22M3 involved was not carrying weapons imagery suggests at very least an [unarmed] Kh-22 training round on port wing.

    Evidence in picture of video or is it Twatter rumor?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:01 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Close examination of the Tu-22M3 crash video allows this conclusion.


    Joseph Dempsey
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    While #Russia MoD reportedly stated the Tu-22M3 involved was not carrying weapons imagery suggests at very least an [unarmed] Kh-22 training round on port wing.

    Evidence in picture of video or is it Twatter rumor?
    Enlarged frames from the video at about the moment the aircraft split.

    Third post

    https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1089320288553177088
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    Post  hoom Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:14 am

    Youtube of the crash (presumably same as on twitter)

    They've nearly flown into the ground, nose down with a very late flare -> still sinking too quick & broke on impact.
    Obviously horrendous visibility.
    Is it just me or ground looks lower before the runway? Could cause them to think they were higher relative to the runway than they were.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:47 am

    A training round is not a weapon.
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:46 pm

    Both of Sukhoi-25UB’s pilots died in air crash on September 3

    The pilots failed to eject themselves

    MOSCOW, September 4. /TASS/. Both pilots of the Sukhoi-25UB fighter-bomber lost in the Stavropol Region on Tuesday died in the air crash, the Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.

    "The Defense Ministry’s probe on the site of the Sukhoi-25UB crash in the Stavropol Territory has confirmed the death of both pilots. They failed to eject themselves," the Defense Ministry said.

    The Sukhoi-25UB jet of Russia’s Aerospace Force crashed in the Stavropol Region on Tuesday. A source in the region’s law enforcement agencies said the crash occurred while the plane was performing a training flight. The crew failed to complete an aerobatics figure called dead loop and flew into the ground.

    The plane carried no ammunition and crashed in an unpopulated area causing no destruction on the ground.

    https://tass.com/emergencies/1076391
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    Post  Isos Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:56 pm

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    Tough day for the Russian Air Force. Earlier, an L-39 trainer aircraft crashed near Krasnodar, killing the cadet pilot. Now, a Su-27 fighter disappeared over the Black Sea, and is believed to have crashed into the sea.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:04 am

    And this is why you replace all these old jets.
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    Post  George1 Thu May 21, 2020 8:15 am

    Mi-8 military helicopter crashes near Moscow, crew dies — defense ministry
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:25 pm


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    The Western Military District announced that a Russian Su-30 (presumably Su-30SM) fighter crashed in Tver today. Both crewmembers ejected safely.
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:55 pm

    Su35 1:0 Su30SM.

    I guess the su30SM crews will try to get a revenge lol1 .

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    The военный осведомитель channel is saying that the Su-30SM that crashed today was actually shot down by a Su-35S fighter that accidentally shot the fighter with its cannon. 2/


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    The Su-35S fighter had its missiles removed, but someone forgot to unload its cannon's ammunition as well before conducting simulated dog fighting. 3/
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    Post  LMFS Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:57 pm

    Isos wrote:The Su-35S fighter had its missiles removed, but someone forgot to unload its cannon's ammunition as well before conducting simulated dog fighting. 3/

    Shocked Shocked Shocked
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:30 am

    LMFS wrote:
    Isos wrote:The Su-35S fighter had its missiles removed, but someone forgot to unload its cannon's ammunition as well before conducting simulated dog fighting. 3/

    Shocked Shocked Shocked

    Good shooting then if it was the first few rounds. A prize for the pilot but deep shit for his ground crew.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:36 am

    JohninMK wrote:Good shooting then if it was the first few rounds. A prize for the pilot but deep shit for his ground crew.

    They are screwed if that was the case... don't they have a round counter so pilots know if they are actually carrying ammo?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:42 am


    So, how many ground crew paychecks are required to pay off one measly Su-30?

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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:34 pm

    It was a Su-30M2 fighter with tail number "60 red" (registration number RF-95869, serial number 79810388415, built in 2014)

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4147236.html

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    Post  LMFS Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:55 pm

    From Fighterbomber:

    During normal flights, projectiles for the cannon are not pulled out of the aircraft. Even if this plane last fired from a cannon 300 years ago during testing. The ammunition for the cannon is always charged, but if there is no practical shooting from it according to the exercise, it must be disconnected by aviation armament specialists (with control of the actions by another specialist) with a special switch and the SHR connector is disconnected (consider the gun is turned off from the socket).
    It is almost impossible to control the shutdown of the cannon from the cockpit, but when performing typical attacks, the very last stage of protection, namely the "Main B" switch, does not turn on at all, and in addition, before performing the attack, a control clamping of the gun trigger away from the target is performed with recording on a tape recorder.

    And only if all these numerous and obligatory actions are lost, the cannon can shoot.

    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/4326

    Edit: Vladimir Popov's opinion:

    https://vz.ru/news/2020/9/23/1061865.html
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    Post  limb Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:40 pm

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36684/russian-flanker-fighter-reportedly-downs-another-with-its-cannon-by-accident

    Why wasn't the pilot told that he had live ammo on his aircraft? Why did the command decide to use the aircraft with live ammo for training?
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:10 pm

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    ZVEZDA: Su-34 crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:21 am

    Why wasn't the pilot told that he had live ammo on his aircraft? Why did the command decide to use the aircraft with live ammo for training?

    From the comments above it is normal for aircraft to exercise with live ammo, but with the cannon disabled... so the real question is why did the ground crew preparing the aircraft for a dogfight combat exercise leave the gun live and able to fire, and why doesn't the aircraft have a simulation mode where all weapons are disabled because the target is clearly a friendly aircraft and this is an exercise...
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:18 pm

    RIP.

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    Three crew members died as a result of a sudden activation of the ejection system in a Tu-22M3 bomber during preparation for flight on the ground at the Shaykovka airbase in the Kaluga Oblast, the Russian Ministry of Defence announced.

    "Due to the insufficient height to deploy the parachutes, three crew members received injuries incompatible with life upon landing"

    Among the crew members who died is a commander of the 52nd Guards Heavy Bomber Aviation Regiment, Colonel Vadim Beloslyudtsev.

    According to Interfax, the fourth member of the crew survived the accident and was taken to the hospital.

    https://ria.ru/20210323/samolet-1602472173.html (in Russian)


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    Post  TMA1 Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:26 pm

    Holy shit! How does that happen? God bless their families and their souls.
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    Post  Isos Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:38 pm

    They don't have 0-0 ejection seats ?

    That probably damaged the bomber too. They probably have an automatic destruction of sensitive stuff in the bomber after ejection happens to not let the enemy take it.

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