PS: man wouldn't it be awesome if the egyptians would get stuff like Tor-M2, Buk-M2, S-300, Su-35, MiG-35, JF-17 etc. etc.
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The radomes are white, the ones that look red actually have covers over them.ahmedfire wrote:
Oh , i took my breath againthanks Garry and thanks Soc .
But why the missiles above have different nose color " white and red " , is the white one belong to BUK-M1 and the red for BUK-M2 ?
Probably not.But why the missiles above have different nose color " white and red " , is the white one belong to BUK-M1 and the red for BUK-M2 ?
Su-35 and S-300 would be enough,It would be awesomemack8 wrote:...and i'll add couple more of Buk and Tor (there is some footage of all this stuff somewhere on youtube, can't recall where though, the title is in arabic)
PS: man wouldn't it be awesome if the egyptians would get stuff like Tor-M2, Buk-M2, S-300, Su-35, MiG-35, JF-17 etc. etc.![]()
We already have TOR-M1 , BUK1-2 , pechora-M2 , SA-2 Guideline (upgraded ) ,SAM-6 (upgraded) ,SA-9 GaskinTR1 wrote:What was the timeline for Egypt's acquisition of (more) modern Russian SAMs?
Kinda went under the radar, pun fully intended.
GarryB wrote:You could turn that comment around and ask if the S-300 is useless and is going out of production then why would Egypt and Syria and Iran want it?
Why would Israel be so afraid of it?
nemrod wrote:GarryB wrote:You could turn that comment around and ask if the S-300 is useless and is going out of production then why would Egypt and Syria and Iran want it?
Why would Israel be so afraid of it?
Israelis fighters are not frightened by neither SA-10 -aka S-300- or SA-15-aka Tor-, and even the SA-20, or anything else, as we discussed previously. A friend of mine -that is pilot too- told me, a good skills pilot could easily dodge every Surface to air missile, whatever it is SA-10, SA-15, SA-22, etc...
Nevertheless, it could threatened the israeli' or US's offensive's strategies and tactics. Because SA-10 could downed every awacs, every jammer that helped the aggressors to attack. In fact the SA-10 could threatened the western advantage field that is electronic warfare. Indeed, an Elint, rc-135, a Boeing 707 sentry -awacs- etc..could not dodge SA-10 shoots. The strategies and tactics of US air force -as Israel- are always to operate if and only if they are sure to win against their potential enemy. Else, they simply could not dare attacks, because their strategies and tactics would collapse.
If so, F-15, F-16, F-18, as Tornado are very vulnerable against even the highly manoeuvrable Mig-21 bis -as my friend, this elder aircraft is still effective, still a danger for every western aircraft, and still very redoubtable fighter-. In this condition, no use to tell you more about the Mig-23, or Mig-29.
However, and I ignored that, the S-300 was sold to Ukraine, Slovakia, Germany, and Greece. In fact the secrets of SA-10' radars are in Nato's hand cancelling its effectiveness. Moreover, the date of its conception -I mean the last modernisation - is around 1990's.
For that reason I think Russia stopped its production, and its effectiveness, is somewhere doubtful.
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Israelis fighters are not frightened by neither SA-10 -aka S-300- or SA-15-aka Tor-, and even the SA-20, or anything else, as we discussed previously. A friend of mine -that is pilot too- told me, a good skills pilot could easily dodge every Surface to air missile, whatever it is SA-10, SA-15, SA-22, etc...
For that reason I think Russia stopped its production, and its effectiveness, is somewhere doubtful.
It does not matter what kind of good pilot you are you can not pull more than 9G with a jet when there are SAM missiles that can pull 12-30G maneuvering.
Werewolf wrote:
Sure if your friend is superman that can fly with speed of light and change directions at the same speed...
It does not matter what kind of good pilot you are you can not pull more than 9G with a jet when there are SAM missiles that can pull 12-30G maneuvering.
GarryB wrote:
Sounds very confident about his abilities against missiles he has never come up against before... the SA-6 brought down quite a few of his colleges who likely thought they could outmanoeuvre threats too.
As I said, the weak point is the radar, as this radar is in Nato' hands, they could jam it.
May I ask how you think they dodge these missiles... the S-300 is moving at a kilometre a second and is not really that big end on when it is flying towards you.
As Tom Cooper, this was the case, he claimed that the fact that Adolf Tolkachev gave to US the secrets of soviet/russian radars, this could be the reason why they did not be effective against US coalition in 1991.
Russia has stopped its production for its own armed forces... if there were an export customer they would continue to make them...
The US got its hands on lots of Soviet equipment... that is not to say that equipment is now useless...
It does not matter what kind of good pilot you are you can not pull more than 9G with a jet when there are SAM missiles that can pull 12-30G maneuvering.
The problems are magnified when the threat is moving 2-3 times faster than a rifle bullet and has a payload that can see you and will detonate its warhead to direct the fragments into your path...
Anas Ali wrote:hi , there's weird updates about the S-300VM to Egypt and its making everyone in Egypt go crazy and i reallt really would appreciate your opinions
so 4 days ago Vyacheslav Dzirkaln the deputy general director of Almaz-Antey said that Egypt is the second country to get the S-300VM after Venezuela
http://itar-tass.com/armiya-i-opk/1566791
then 2 days ago "Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation does not confirm several Russian and foreign media reports on signing the contract on supplies of S-300BM air defence missile systems," the report said.
http://en.tass.ru/russia/759794
so what is going on did we get it like antey said or not ?
and there is many Russian site confirmed the deal
http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/33792041/pro-na-gusenicah
http://briansk.ru/world/rossiya-postavit-v-egipet-zenitnye-sistemy.2014924.322112.html
http://www.novoye-vremya.com/v5/w37366/.../#.VGY02cm0S7G
http://rss-informer.ru/rosoboroneksport_postavit_v_egipet_zenitnye_sistemy_s-300vm.html
http://www.janes.com/article/43750/egypt-reportedly-orders-s-300vm
http://itar-tass.com/armiya-i-opk/1566791
i would appreciate you honest opinion guys
Viktor wrote:Tor-M2 and BUK-M2 ... only thing missing is S-300VM![]()
ahmedfire wrote:Viktor wrote:Tor-M2 and BUK-M2 ... only thing missing is S-300VM![]()
Egyptian military is very strange with his eastern imported hardware , nothing officialy announced for buying any hardware , just interests on many equipments , we know the informations from army training videos , year after other we find new equipments , so i can't say we have no S-300![]()
По имеющимся данным, Египет стал второй после Венесуэлы страной, приобретшей ЗРС С-300В4 (ее экспортное название - "Антей-2500").
According to reports, Egypt became the second country after Venezuela, has acquired S-300V4 (its export name - "Antey-2500").
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