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    Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:42 pm

    Egypt has asked the U.S. F-16 fighter jets in the new update
    01.07.2009

    Egyptian authorities have appealed to the United States with a request for the delivery of 24 F-16 fighter aircraft to be modified Block 52 to update the Air Force fleet, reported DefPro. The previous administration of President George W. Bush refused to Egypt supplying F-16 and other weapons, citing human rights violations in the country.

    It clarifies the issue, informed sources have confirmed that 5 May, 2009 Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak met with the Minister of Defense Robert Gates. During the negotiations to discuss the Egyptian side of the supply of F-16 fighter planes, helicopters, Apache, air defense weapons and other military assets in the supply of which Egypt refused former U.S. officials.

    Note that according to the DefPro, corporation Lockheed Martin, which is the manufacturer of F-16, confirmed that the informed request of Egyptian authorities. Currently, the Air Force armament of the country already costs about 220 airplanes of similar older versions. They were Americans from 1982 to 2002. New request of Cairo is connected with the intentions of President Barack Obama in Washington to mend relations with the Islamic world.
    29.06.2009

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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Turk1 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:00 am

    CCIP is a good upgrade. It has made us the Super Power of the Middle East and Egypt isn't far behind.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Vladislav on Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:33 am

    Turk1 wrote:CCIP is a good upgrade. It has made us the Super Power of the Middle East and Egypt isn't far behind.

    Super Power of the Middle East? You think you can beat Usreal?

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    Questions about Egypt's Military

    Post  sin90 on Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:33 pm

    Salam alikum , I am Egyptian
    new member and a friend to our Russian Friends

    we have been talking since 2006 about the import of Mig 29 russian Aircraft Interceptor
    and we simply don't know the answer if Egypt obtained it or not?

    so please if the experts know about it please reply

    DID Egypt obtain the MIG 29 from Russia or not?

    salam again from EGYPT to our russian FRIENDS  love  love  russia  love
    EGYPT=Russia


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:39 pm

    Nope, Egypt never decided on it. They have since expressed interest in the JF-17.

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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  sin90 on Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:17 pm

    Thank you for the Answer Vladimir
    Another Question please
    Which is the best the SU-27 or SU -35

    because Egypt Showed recently the interest in the SU 35
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:56 pm

    Su-35 is the ultimate modernisation of Su-27 fusing 5th generation technologies in a 4++ fighter.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  msaabneh on Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:11 am

    Egypt has long been interested to acuire f-15 from USA but always fronted with refusal,thus Egypt turned to Russian fighters as a response but nothing has claimed yet.therefore, Egypt has announced recently that she will produce her own fighter.
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    Egypt to manufacture first fighter plane

    Post  msaabneh on Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:17 am

    Written by Egypt News
    SUNDAY, 14 FEBRUARY 2010
    Egypt is set to produce its first fighter and drone "in cooperation with a foreign side", official MENA news agency reported Saturday
    "Talks and negotiations are underway about a project to produce Egypt's first fighter and drone plane," MENA quoted Lt. General Hamdy Waheba, Chairman of Arab Organization for Industrialization (AOI), Egypt's state-owned company specialized in producing civilian goods as well as military products, reported Yemen's state news agency SABA.

    The official did not name the foreign party which will take a hand at the process, according to SABA, but said that Waheba added that, "Local production of the aircraft will meet the demand of the Egyptian Armed Forces, as it will be sold at a very competitive price."

    The AOI was established in 1975 with the aim of building an advanced technology industrial base, according to SABA, which noted that Egypt is one the major Arab countries dependent on importing military fighters from the United States and Russia.

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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:02 pm

    What generation fighter would it be?


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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  msaabneh on Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:20 pm

    nothing claimed yet but i think it will be a 4++ generation because it is almost impossible to manufacture a 5th generation and also its not profitable to manufacture a fighter inferior to 4++ generation at the same time.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:14 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Nope, Egypt never decided on it. They have since expressed interest in the JF-17.

    ok vladimir,,what about this

    Египет
    Ремонт партии самолетов МиГ-29. Кол-во, сроки и сумма сделки неизвестны
    http://dlib.eastview.com/browse/doc/7105684
    ...................
    and this
    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1784137,00.html
    .....!!!!
    where is the truth ??it may be ahidden deal between egypt and russia ..
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:09 am

    Egypt didn't even start an inquiry into MiG-29 until 2006. All those links predate that. Well known fact Egypt has never operated the type.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:30 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Egypt didn't even start an inquiry into MiG-29 until 2006. All those links predate that. Well known fact Egypt has never operated the type.
    ok
    do you remember the TOR M1 that we get from russia,,we get it in 2005 and we don' know until 2007 !!
    can you give me alink to arussian deals with egypt??
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:48 am

    Relax, if and when Egypt buys MiG-29 we will know in the news. It is not a secret project.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:59 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Relax, if and when Egypt buys MiG-29 we will know in the news. It is not a secret project.
    ok man ,all the way i hope we get su 35,, i think we will get it,right?
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:51 am

    I would expect if Egypt really wants Su-35s and/or Mig-29s then it would likely want to make successful negotiations public to see if this influences Americas decision to sell F-15s.

    I could see the Russians as being not too keen on selling their newest Flanker variant to Egypt any time soon unless they develop an export model with foreign material replacing Russian stuff not for sale.

    No disrespect meant to Egypt of course, but TOR has been sold to many countries already including China... The missiles themselves are very simple... in fact quite basic, but the vehicle is rather expensive and capable.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  IronsightSniper on Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:41 am

    IMO, I think Egypt should just throw away any and all future MiG-29's and just use the scrap money for Su-35. Su-35 outflies all of our Planes in service today (except F-22) while MiG-29's are usually nearing the end of their air frame's age.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:37 am

    IronsightSniper wrote:IMO, I think Egypt should just throw away any and all future MiG-29's and just use the scrap money for Su-35. Su-35 outflies all of our Planes in service today (except F-22) while MiG-29's are usually nearing the end of their air frame's age.
    israel will get 20 f35 after 4 years ,
    if we get su35,,will we hit f35 down???
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:02 pm

    Except that the last model Mig-29s have 360 degree IRST systems like the F-35 and offer a high fraction of the Flankers performance with a little less cost.

    With enough money spent on decent weapons the Mig-35 would only lack in range over the Su-35 and as even in Russia most Flankers don't even fly with full fuel tanks that advantage might be a little overrated by the Sukhoi company in their eagerness to sell planes.

    I suspect Sukhoi might have trouble producing enough Flankers anyway.

    Regarding F-35s vs late model Flankers it depends who you talk to.

    The makers of the F-35 put late model Flankers in their advertising videos and shoot lots down. Most experts who write about aircraft seem to think the F-35 might be in trouble.

    Obviously tactics and weapons and the military environment will effect the results as will the quality of the pilot in the seat.

    A pilot with a good understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of his enemies pilots and aircraft will have an advantage that should lead to the fighting being more one sided. An example would be NATO pilots getting to practise against Mig-29s before facing Iraqi and Serbian Mig-29s.
    Of course fully operational and properly maintained Mig-35s with modern digital AAMs is not the same thing as Mig-29A fighters limited to R-27R and R-73 missiles only.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  nightcrawler on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:38 pm

    Well; Egypt has shown a keen interest in JF-17 equipped with advanced AAMs like SD-10 & AIM-120

    which ofcoarse is much economical choice plus the negative attitude of S-300 sale to Iran as is shown by Russia may undermine MiG-29 sales to Egypt.

    http://news.az/articles/20583
    Mon 09 August 2010 | 07:58 GMT
    JF-17

    Pakistani fighter Catic JF-17 Thunder has been demonstrated at an airshow in Farnborough.

    It has attracted the interest of a number of countries including Azerbaijan.

    JF-17 Thunder fighter was initially developed by Chinese engineers for the needs of the Pakistani army. First fighters JF-17 Thunder (Chinese FC-1 Saolun) were supplied to the Pakistani armed forces in 2007.

    Now the project is entering a new level and the Chinese-Pakistani producers are searching ways to the international market.

    Among potential customers who demonstrated interest to the innovation are Azerbaijan, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, Venezuela and a number of other countries.

    Earlier, the press spread information about an agreement with Azerbaijan regarding the purchase of at least 24 JF-17 fighters estimated at about $17m each, which envisions the volumes of supply at about $500,000,000.

    The JF-17 fighter is 14 m in length, the wing span is 8.5 m and it is equipped with RD-93 engine.

    The capacity of the plane is 3720 kg, the battle radius at the fighter version is 1200 km, maximal flight range is 3000 km. It can be equipped with different types of air-air and air-land rockets, as well as air bombs.

    I posted this news in Egypt mulls jf-17 co-production thread This is a translation of an article published on an authentic Chinese website.....

    "Eastern net on August 2 news: The Ukraine Kiev weekly reported the other day, in the last few years, Russia has attempted to convince Egypt to purchase 40 Mig - 29 jet fighters. However now, Beijing Government may destroy this contract - Egypt Military present to hold with China and Pakistan discusses, intends to Egypt domestic produces China's Fierce Dragon fighter plane.

      The report said that although the Fierce Dragon fighter plane does not compare the Mig in the specification aspect, but Fierce Dragon is cheaper than 3.5 times the Mig, its selling price is only 10,000,000 US dollars. Obviously, to the Egyptian, the price is the determining factor.

      What is interesting, what the Chinese Fierce Dragon fighter plane provides is Russia's RD-93 engine. Originally, Russia with its direct competitor cooperation, the joint production jet fighter, this model of fighter plane is Russia defense industry one of principal exports.

      The report pointed out that the Mig airplane company and the Sukhoi airplane company is in charge of already publishes the open letter to the Russian federation Military technology Cooperation Bureau and Russia Arm export Company, protested that Russia signs to China provides 100 RD-93 engine's contract, this contract original in May signs.

      Regarding this open letter, although Russia Arm export Company has made the response, but actually chooses supports China. Regarding this, this company representative pointed out: “this kind exports again defers to the Russian Government's law execution. Moreover, signs this kind of contract with the end product manufacturer not to need any procedure.”

      The report said that at present was still unable to determine Russia's this decision is to gain the sales commission, has the factor which the negligence or lacks the ability to do what one would like. In fact, such defeat will cause Russia to lose the great fund.

      No matter what, Russia leadership has realized finally from its Chinese competitor's threat. Recently, according to the Moscow Government's instruction, the Russian public purchase department announced one in its website to devote in the research investigates the Chinese weapon strategy and the tactical discrimination and the military hardware supplier's bid contract. This contract value 200,000 rubles. This investigation's result will be used for will be a submission president's report prepares for Russia.

      Facing China arm export pattern, how should Russia place the research emphasis point China in Moscow, from thought that belongs to own market to move.

      Plans in Russia studies China when the munitions export domain gets the advantage, China was still continuing to develop this kind of superiority. The Chinese government said that China aviation industry will probably in the next five years realize the independence, no longer will rely on imports the Russian fighter plane engine. Presently, China mainly imports two model of Russian-made engines: AL-31 (unit price 3,500,000 US dollars, use in Soviet - 27/30, annihilating - 11, annihilate - 10) and RD-93 (unit price 2,500,000 US dollars, is Mig - 29 fighter planes may substitute engine, simultaneously uses in the Fierce Dragon fighter plane).

      Before very long time, the industry expert then forecast that said that China's will promote gradually in global munitions market status, but Russia gradually will be pushed aside. Has this kind of situation the primary cause is Russia the technological strength which and the foundation inherits from the Soviet time is moving toward the end. In the past's 20 years, Russia Military enterprise has left uncultivated its human resources, the productive skill and manufacturing capacity gradually. The wish makes up such loss, even if has several hundred hundred million US dollars “the petrodollars”, is also not easy matter.

      An analysis report which appears by the Russian national defense and ministry of industry subordinate some committee has carried on the analysis to the Russian armed forces industry situation, discovered that Russia 1/3 Military enterprises went out of business basically; Russia compares industrialized country low ten times to the war industry domain investment's research and development fund; The training of manpower investment compares industrialized country low 5 times; The labor efficiency compares the global target lowly five to ten times; More than half satisfies the weaponry design production request the skill is not the loss, is obsolete; According to many targets, the most Military enterprise condition misses - its more than half production equipment rate of wear to achieve extremely 100%.

      Specially it is noteworthy that the Russian national defense hardware production loss factor is excessively high. Usually in the situation, Russia defense industry invests one ruble every time, will lose 97 kopecks, this means that the majority company's true rates of return will be 3%. In addition, Russia defense industry also faced many technical barriers, Moscow was deciding recently purchased France helicopter carrier and the Israeli unmanned aerial vehicle explained this point, did not need to raise it also to purchase such as Germany spare parts and the technology and so on armor plate or French infrared image formation meter.

      Actually, Russia's export potential several near dry. Although Russia can from 5 to 7 years in maintain the world top-quality munitions exporter at the future the given name, but it faces the technical objective factor will cause its not to be optimistic in the future in the global munitions market performance.

      Finished to this ten years, in the world the most munitions importer gradually will cut to the next generation weapon. Moreover, without a doubt, China and India will compete for the munitions the export market to try hard. Theoretically, this means that China will occupy the low end the export market. In any event, the current tendency continues if maintains, Russia will be very possibly unable with them to compete. (translation: Spring breeze)" The Egyptian Air force possibly gives up the Russia Mig 29 revolutions buying Chinese Fierce Dragon fighter plane _ other military movements _ the prosperous military

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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:03 pm

    Well; Egypt has shown a keen interest in JF-17 equipped with advanced AAMs like SD-10 & AIM-120

    which ofcoarse is much economical choice plus the negative attitude of S-300 sale to Iran as is shown by Russia may undermine MiG-29 sales to Egypt.
    it is not amoney problem,,we go to jf17 because we want to manfacture our percentage in it,,jf17 is aside that we can make our first plane indigiously...
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  IronsightSniper on Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:54 pm

    GarryB wrote:Except that the last model Mig-29s have 360 degree IRST systems like the F-35 and offer a high fraction of the Flankers performance with a little less cost.

    With enough money spent on decent weapons the Mig-35 would only lack in range over the Su-35 and as even in Russia most Flankers don't even fly with full fuel tanks that advantage might be a little overrated by the Sukhoi company in their eagerness to sell planes.


    360 degree all around IRST at the cost of half the detection range the OLS-27/35. About the cost, the Su-27 costs about a million USD more than the MiG-29, well worth it for all the additional functions it can carry out.

    ahmedfire wrote:
    IronsightSniper wrote:IMO, I think Egypt should just throw away any and all future MiG-29's and just use the scrap money for Su-35. Su-35 outflies all of our Planes in service today (except F-22) while MiG-29's are usually nearing the end of their air frame's age.
    israel will get 20 f35 after 4 years ,
    if we get su35,,will we hit f35 down???

    As I've emphasized this before, keep your electronics good and make sure they can't just Suder you to death. But assuming you have a fair number of Su-35, kept in tip top shape, with fine pilots and great equipment, v.s. the Export F-35's of the same stature and crew, personally, I put my hat on the Su-35. US marketing videos may show everything Lockheed Martin shooting down everything Russian, but that is not analysis. You can find some analysis here:

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-JSF-Analysis.html

    (Although, many say Carlo Koppe is heavily biased)
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:12 am

    Well; Egypt has shown a keen interest in JF-17 equipped with advanced AAMs like SD-10 & AIM-120

    Planning to use an AIM-120 if the perceived target is Israeli F-35s is a bit naive.

    If it is only 10 million then it might appear to be quite a bargain, the only problem is that if the electronics are not up to scratch it just means lots of target practise for the enemy.

    The real point is that if you want a fighter for peacetime that will fly around, carry modern weapons and perform the normal functions of a fighter aircraft then the JF-17 will be fine.

    Problem is that if you ever have to use it as a weapon of war I would want the best I could afford. Most military sales these days include offsets of more than 100%, so if you buy 1 billion dollars of Russian aircraft then they have to spend 1 billion dollars within your economy. This means economic ties and trade. I am ignorant of what Egypt has as its main export but I am sure there are a few things they will want to sell to Russia and Russian will want to buy.

    which ofcoarse is much economical choice plus the negative attitude of S-300 sale to Iran as is shown by Russia may undermine MiG-29 sales to Egypt.

    A superpower that abides by international law... how will that undermine anything?

    BTW if price really is a determining factor for Egypt then perhaps they need to look at the Mig-29SMT because the Russians could take a few out of storage and apply a moderate upgrade to give performance exceeding the JF-17. The fact that China still can't make engines similar to the ones the Mig-29 was using in the 1980s suggest that other equipment items may not be state of the art either. You get what you pay for.

    360 degree all around IRST at the cost of half the detection range the OLS-27/35.

    The EO system on the Mig-35 is rather impressive and includes the ability to mark targets for laser guided weapon attack from 20km.
    The downward facing component of the system makes it rather better for ground attack use than the system for the Su-35 which is more aimed at air to air use.

    About the cost, the Su-27 costs about a million USD more than the MiG-29, well worth it for all the additional functions it can carry out.

    Larger aircraft cost more to operate and take up more space while the extra performance is not always needed.

    Needless to say that a well flown Mig-29 would not be at any huge disadvantage to a Flanker in real combat. There are those that point to bigger radar and other differences, but at the end of the day smaller aircraft can sometimes be more difficult adversaries.

    (Although, many say Carlo Koppe is heavily biased)

    He certainly is biased in his opinion... if the Australian government took his word the Australian airforce would currently either consist of F-22s or F-111s modified with a new digital updated versions of the radar and missiles carried by the F-14D.

    US marketing videos may show everything Lockheed Martin shooting down everything Russian, but that is not analysis.

    To be fair that is their purpose... just as British companies show Russian aircraft being destroyed and Russian companies show western aircraft being shot down... and it is all hopeful speculation that they have done their jobs right and the other teams have done nothing to counter them.
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    Re: Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

    Post  nightcrawler on Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:42 am

    @Garry

    A superpower that abides by international law... how will that undermine anything?

    hehe...wrong definition of SuperPower nowadays; look we are talking about Egypt versus Israel likewise we were talking about Israel versus Iran; so Russians will side with any one giving them more potent national benefits; tomorrow I will learn Israel minister going to Putin crying to block MiGs/Flankers sale to Egypt in exchange of some opto-electronic device to Russia.....

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