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Singular_Transform wrote:AMCXXL wrote:Singular_Transform wrote:AMCXXL wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:kopyo-21 wrote:The Su-34 unit cost is 1.5B Rubles (92 aircrafts / 140B Rubles). The Su-30SM unit cost is 1.2B Rubles (50 aircrafts / 60B Runles)
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hmm that's interesting. This Russian heavy fighter Su-30SM costs ~ $21mln Eurofighter / Rafale ~ $100 mln F-15v~ $100mln heh looks like 4x cheaper. It would looks like from procurement point of view ~$ 200 blns?!
The Price of 140 Bn Rubles for 92 Su34 was in 2012 when the contract was signed
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Russia has high inflaction rates and the prices are updated every year, no currently the cost in rubles is higher than that, in dollars is a diferent thing because the ruble/dollar exchange now is the near the half tan before the Ukranian conflicto
In adition you cannot compare the prices in dollars because Russia does not pay the airplanes in dollars and they make the airplanes by itself.
If you want to purchase a Su-30SM you will pay the equivalent to 40 or 50 millions dollars for each airplane
Wow , nice finding.
Then the fighter jet exchange rate ( f/A-18 vs Su-34) will be 22 rubel/$.
If the current su34 price is 2000 million rubell.
In 2012 when the contract was signed doller/ruble ws 1:28 to 1:32 (we can take 1:30)
In 2017 dollar/ruble is about 1:55 to 1:60 , this is the half
In 2012 the price of one Su-34 was 140.000/92= 1522 M Rb or 51 Million $
That the Exchange rate is the half does not means the airplane cost is the half.
This is a mistaken way of think (typical of Weesterners that think they are the center of the world)
Russia pays in Rubles the military hardware produced by themselves inside Rusia.
Also in the west the airplanes are produced for private corporations, as more expensive the better, to win, the more money the better at the cost of robbing the taxpayer
While in Russia is controlled by the state for spent as less money posible. Russia pays the cost of manofacture in most cases , not a Price of market.
With a inflaction rate of only 10% in 5 or 6 years the cost today can be more of 2400 MRb (currently 45 M$), but I dont know if has been published the exact ammount of money that pays each year the MoD for the Su-34 .
Is necesary to know how many money is going to pay Algeria for the Su-34 for have a reasonable comparison
In adition Su-34 is not an airplane with similar counterpart in the West. The size and role are unique nowadays.
You can compare F-18 with Su-30SM at most, or better with MiG-35 when available.
Su-34 is classificated as BOMBER and have the role of a Tactical Bomber of the frontal aviation
The doctrine, roles , tactics etc.. in the soviet/russian military are different that in the west, and it seems the most of westerners does not understand this
The current exchange rate is not a good indicator of the difference between two countries economical/industrial capability.
But using up the rubel/usd price it is visible how many airplane can be bought by the country budget.
IT showing that what is the relative efficiency of Russia/US industry.
So, we can say the industrial capability exchange rate is somewhere between 12-20 rubel/$
The exchage rate depends of the offer and demmand laws , as all in a capitalist economy, does not have direct relation with the indusrial capacity
Since the sanctions against Russia is not easy economical exchange with Russia , so the Ruble has not the same value in the West that before sanctions.
If someone want to pay you with Rubles, you will ask for more rubles than before, because you cannot find easy things to purchase with the Rubles you have got.
Also USA manofacture one main thing: dollars,
And the most of countries had to use dollar for the international trade, this means,you had to purchase dollars for can get gods from other countries.
This is the reason why USA currency is the currency of reference since 1944 (Breton Woods) and is for that USA can purchase the most of the Oil, Steel , Copper, Uranium , etc... produced by a lot of countries, only printing dollars over a simple paper.
it's that stupid but that's how the world economy works , imposed by the USA at the end of the Second World War
Usa does not have a big industrial power if you compare with USA in 1970.
Nowadays USA only manofacture weapons and dollars
However Russia has reached this year the same production of wheat that Russia as part of Soviet Unión (30 years after Gorbachov ruined tha USSR) and the production of all types are growing every year.
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