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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53

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    Post  jhelb Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:07 am

    GarryB wrote:The good old BBC showing you the news from every angle... except Putins perspective or any vaguely Russian friendly angle.
    Putin is a Jew. His perspective is the Zionist perspective.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:35 am

    Only someones idea of the best they can do, maintaining the optimism much along the lines of the UA plans to reach the sea in the south last summer.

    So two years in to the conflict and this is their idea of taking Crimea back and collapsing the Russian economy.

    How the mighty have fallen.

    In Ukraine, there's a lack of regard for human life.

    Who would have guessed their lack of  respect for life translates into a disrespect for the dead too...

    If they don't understand how can you tell them?

    As PD says... you tell them with TOS and Grad and drones and glide bombs.

    Perhaps pleased with India for supplying artillery shells to Ukraine, European Union is now preparing to sanction India for supporting Russia.

    This is no longer a Russia vs Ukraine war, rather this seems to be a battle between a voluble, affluent, talent-less, entitled West and rest of the world looking askance at the sheer absurdity of demands

    This is actually good, India would rather sit on two seats, like most countries... Ukraine is not their war so they don't see the need to choose sides or turn away friends because they are involved in this conflict. The Europeans are pushing India away just like they pushed Russia and soon China away, which brings those countries together too...

    Russia and China don't need to destroy the west, the west is destroying itself with its own hubris and arrogance.

    The EU and the west will suffer more than India will suffer... India might embrace the rest of the world and establish much better trade ties than they could find in the west.

    Russia has issued an arrest warrant for Estonia’s Prime Minister

    Look like the wests arrest warrant for Putin and that woman helping those Ukrainian kids is being used against them... who could possibly see that coming?

    Remember that the US spent a lot of money getting in leadership here so that they would turn over Assange to them. The present guy is just a successor in that group.

    Which means they are in team US of A so why would Russia buy their Bananas? They have clearly chosen a side... something so many other countries have been careful not to do.

    And not sure what are you Garry disagree with.
    With the fact that all of Ecuadors stuff can be placed at a gym of your local highschool?

    They identified themselves as team america so Russia wont buy their bananas any more, what is not to understand?

    The west does this all the time... deal with Russia and take economic damage... there are lots and lots of countries that export bananas... why would Russia buy bananas and other things from a country supporting Kiev indirectly... and they know exactly what they are doing.

    You keep going on about a high school gym... how many helicopter parts will fit into such a gym, and how long will that keep Ukrainian helicopters flying.

    How many tactical nuclear weapons could you fit into a gym?

    Give a lunatic a rifle and that lunatic murders some people claiming you only gave him an old rifle that would fit into a highschool gym probably wont get you off being charged.

    They had a chance to be neutral and they didn't take that chance.

    The loss of sales of bananas to Russia is hardly going to destroy their economy like perhaps the US might if they said no, but at the end of the day they are no longer neutral and join the naughty boys club.

    Our troops used several Iskander OTRK missiles with a cassette part and added the Smerch MLRS, also with a cassette part.

    Hahahaha... for those not understanding... cassette means cluster munition.... it should be a very high body count...

    Ecuador was being neutral

    The US would not be supplying them with 200 million dollars worth of military equipment if Ecuador was neutral.

    That might be a single Chinook helicopter of course... not a new one... an old worn out one of course, and it will cost 500 million in spare parts and support and training facilities to learn to use it... and of course they will be obliged to buy several more...

    But it seems Noone in Russia wants to eat diseased banana

    And so it is what it is, take it as you will, there is no issue with Ecuador

    Lots of countries export bananas... there is an American group and a British group and I would expect a French group. In the 1970s and 80s and even 90s we could only get bananas from the British friendly group here in NZ, then we started getting Dole bananas from the US... now we can get all sorts of bananas, but they work in clans to break into markets and each protects its markets as much as it can. Clearly Ecuador got into the Russian market and dominated it, but now that will change.

    Ecuador was aligning with the US since they had bribed in a bright daylight previous president to take ut Assange from the embassy.
    So what is disturbing you, while you had years to get used to it?

    One might question how Ecuador got off the hook for dropping Assange in the shit... maybe they have powerful connections.... and maybe those powerful connections eat bananas?

    Some dude on Telegram named Kazman claims that Zirkon was used today.
    Propably launched from a Bastion complex.

    Hard to understand why that would be necessary unless they were testing its performance against a hard target.

    Putin is a Jew. His perspective is the Zionist perspective.

    Well that is obvious by the way Putin and Zelensky and Netenyahoo all work so closely together to deal with issues and solve problems.... NOT.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:12 am

    Hole wrote:Some dude on Telegram named Kazman claims that Zirkon was used today.
    Propably launched from a Bastion complex.
    Suspect
    We had Ukraine claim they found wreckage of a 3M22 missile a couple days ago as well.
    This sounds like a really bad idea to me. Using Zircon in Ukraine I mean. There is no need to give the US an actual working hypersonic cruise missile on a silver platter. A missile might malfunction and be recovered in fairly intact state by Ukraine and passed to the US.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:14 am

    Have you seen the "proof"?
    It was a scrap metal piece with a handwritten "3M22" on it.
    By the pencil.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:32 am

    Not good

    The enemy publishes footage claiming that the Navy landing ship Caesar Kunikov was hit in the Black Sea
    ▪The footage is actively spreading across the Internet and people are asking questions. There is little that can be understood from the footage; there is no confirmation of this information now.
    ▪In the morning, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced an enemy attack in the Black Sea and the destruction of six drones by air defense forces. The military department did not comment on information about the ship.
    ▪Let us note that exactly 81 years ago, on February 14, 1943 (at the age of 33), Hero of the USSR Caesar Kunikov, after whom the landing ship was named, died in Gelendzhik.
    - RVvoenkor

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    BDK "Caesar Kunikov" sank

    This morning, the Ukraine, using surface kamikaze boats, attacked the Caesar Kunikov large landing ship. This happened at approximately 6.15 am almost abeam Yalta.

    Ukraine has already announced it’s sinking. There is no official information yet, but according to my information, everything is so.

    The ship was afloat for some time, they fought for its life, but the damage was very severe and it sank. The crew was completely saved.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:38 am

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    The Russians carried out highly effective deep strikes on AFU assembly areas west of Avdeevka today, with reports of hundreds of casualties and significant material losses.

    This points to two things: First, the Russians have drone coverage well behind the front.  These positions are located 30 kilometers from Russian front-line positions in Avdeevka and 20 kilometers from those in Maryinka, and drone footage of the strike on Tsukurino has been published.  This isn't really new information - although it is a reminder of just how much we don't see.

    Second, if reports are remotely accurate the Ukrainians had marshalled at least two battalions into Selidovo and billeted over a thousand soldiers barracks-style in local buildings while awaiting the order to move out, presumably for Avdeevka.  This is a "worst practice" in modern war - one the Russians don't seem to do, even in the deep rear - but this keeps happening to Ukrainian units despite many mass-casualty attacks on barracks.

    While this could be put down to deficiencies in Ukrainian leadership and/or command and control, I think a somewhat more nefarious factor is in play here: desertion, or rather measures to prevent desertion.  Those soldiers were effectively under a death sentence - here not a vague future prospect but a writ of execution likely to be carried out in mere hours - and dispersing accommodations would have allowed dozens or hundreds to melt away.

    It's important to remember that at this point the Ukrainian Army is not a volunteer or even conscript force.  It is an army that was press-ganged at gunpoint, whose troops are kept at the front by blocking units.  This affects everything it does, down to where and how its soldiers sleep at night.

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    Once the Russians got wind it was the Azov, they made sure to double tap the site and then tap it twice more for good measure
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    Allegedly this was the 3rd Assault Brigade (Azov) that is very loyal to Poroshenko & Zaluzhny. The Brigade was brought to Kiev at some point last year and just now got redeployed to the front.

    Zaluzhny was dismissed and now his “loyal guard” gets obliterated? This doesn’t seem like an accident and someone had to have leaked the coordinates.

    There’s some evidence to suggest a behind-the-scenes power struggle in Kiev (akin to Wagner’s/Prigozhin’s coup again the Kremlin) between Zelenskyy and the faction consisting of Azov, former President Poroshenko, and General Zaluzhny.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:52 am

    It doesn't matter what he is saying. This guy was filmed a couple of days ago walking from the direction of the Casino in Monte Carlo into the Hotel de Paris, one of the poshest hotels in Europe. The background behind him could easily be one of their bedrooms. The hard life of living on the US taxpayer's $.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:54 am

    Some News for Wednesday morning, February 14:

    🔷 During the night, Russian air defense systems destroyed two Ukrainian drones over the Belgorod region, one over the Voronezh region and six more over the Black Sea, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported.

    🔷 Putin signed a law on confiscation of property for fakes about the Russian army and calls for extremism.

    🔷 In Russia it is forbidden to fire a single parent who has a child under 16 years of age. Putin signed the corresponding law. Previously, the norm applied to those who have children under 14 years of age.

    🔷 Colombian mercenaries had to flee the battlefield in Ukraine, fearing Russian drones, a 32-year-old militant with the call sign Checho told the Associated Press news agency. “We stood up and decided to flee the position to save our lives,” he said.

    🔷 Instead of words of gratitude to the American businessman Elon Musk for his help during the conflict, the Ukrainians responded with reproaches because of “insufficient” support, former Minister of Social Policy of Ukraine Andrey Reva said in an interview.

    🔷 EU financial assistance to Ukraine exceeds the funds allocated by the United States as part of the Marshall Plan, said the head of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) Odile Renaud-Basso. She also noted that Ukraine "received 50% of its budget through external support." - FRWL reports

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:00 am

    Why did Macron refuse to visit Ukraine?

    Interesting details emerge regarding the death of two “volunteers” from France in Ukraine – winemaker Adrien Baudon de Mony-Pajol and technical specialist Gennady Germanovich. Let me remind you that on February 1, the head of the Kherson administration Prokudin announced the death of two Frenchmen as a result of a strike by the Russian Armed Forces, and later Macron himself spoke about their death. But according to my information, the situations are much more interesting.

    First of all, they are not volunteers. This myth was quickly debunked, proving that Germanovich was a highly qualified specialist in the field of security. He was a former soldier of the French Foreign Legion and had close ties not only with representatives of the neo-Nazi movements of France, but also with the Belarusian regiment of Kastus Kalinouski.

    Secondly, according to my information, the French were shot on the Odessa-Kyiv highway in the area of ​​the Razdelnyanskaya community in the Odessa region, and not as a result of a Russian drone strike on a car in Berislav, as Prokudin said.

    As I learned from my sources in the SBU, those killed as consultants were involved in organizing the visit of a high-ranking delegation from France, and their work included assisting the Ukrainian special services in carrying out some kind of provocation, probably for the subsequent accusation of Russia. However, having found out the details of the Ukrainian special operation, the French refused further “cooperation” and hurried to Kyiv to urgently leave Ukraine. This refusal cost them their lives.

    By a completely non-random coincidence, a few days after their deaths, the French President canceled his visit to Ukraine for security reasons.

    I do not rule out that the Ukrainian security forces may soon return to the idea of carrying out a similar provocation, but with the participation of a delegation from another country. Conclusions are drawn and errors are analyzed.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:31 am

    What do you guys think of this?

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    Post  nomadski Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:43 am

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    The best shape for a country , is a round shape . Also it should not be too small or too big . It should have access to the Sea . It should not be too cold or hot . It should not be land locked , nor an Island . It's climate should allow agriculture . Otherwise problems arise .

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    Post  Kiko Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:49 pm

    Who is French intelligence covering up in Ukraine?, by Valeria Verbinina for VZGLYAD. 02.14.2024.

    More and more interesting details are being revealed in the biographies of two Frenchmen who recently died in Ukraine. Official Paris was outraged, calling their deaths “an act of barbarity” and the victims themselves “humanitarian workers.” However, there are now signs that these people were directly related to French intelligence.

    On February 1, it became known that during military operations in Ukraine “as a result of a Russian strike,” two French citizens were killed and three were wounded. Representatives of the official French media called them “rescuers” and “humanitarian workers.”

    French Foreign Minister Stephane Sejournet branded the incident as an “act of barbarity,” President Macron condemned the “vile and undignified act,” a protest was lodged with the Russian ambassador, and in addition, a special unit of the prosecutor’s office for combating terrorism was entrusted with investigating the incident. From the point of view of the French prosecutor's office, the incident constitutes a war crime and "a deliberate attempt on the life of a person protected, in particular, by international humanitarian law."

    It is interesting that the previous Russian attack on French mercenaries, when many more people died, did not cause such a violent reaction from the French authorities. They preferred to limit themselves to statements that there are no and cannot be any French mercenaries in Ukraine, and if there is anyone, then he is not a mercenary, but came solely at the behest of his heart. Why has the rhetoric changed so much now, and why has the death of just two people caused such a resonance?

    If reports are to be believed, these “humanitarian workers” traveled with their escorts in close proximity to the front line in two cars with red crosses, the presence of which was supposed to protect them from possible troubles. The two dead Frenchmen, as officially stated, were volunteers of the non-governmental Swiss organization Entraide protestante suisse, better known by the abbreviated name EPER. It also included four wounded, three of whom, again, are citizens of France, and one is a citizen of Ukraine.

    However, in recent days, details have begun to emerge indicating who these people might actually be and what role they might have played during the fighting in Ukraine. For example, the names of those killed became known - they turned out to be a certain Adrien Pajol and Gennady Guermanovitch. The second, in addition to a completely non-French name and surname, also had Belarusian citizenship.

    And it turned out to be quite interesting that Germanovich not only once served as a police officer in Belarus - he also managed to spend 15 years in the French Foreign Legion. He was reportedly in the 3rd Infantry Regiment of the Foreign Legion and in the 2nd Paratrooper Regiment, which is based in the city of Calvi. We remind you that serving for several years in the Foreign Legion helps you legally obtain French citizenship.

    Since July 2022, as journalists write , Gennady has worked for the above-mentioned Swiss non-governmental organization, where he “commanded security operations and coordinated operations on the ground.” This EPER organization has an extremely interesting profile of activity, which “has approximately fifty employees (Ukrainians and citizens of other countries) for its operations in the south and east of Ukraine,” and its office is located not just anywhere, but in Odessa.

    So are we talking about employees or volunteers? And why did the Swiss organization choose such a strange geographical limitation and is not interested in either the north or the west of Ukraine?

    Another source reports the following details about the deceased Germanovich: “This man, accustomed to the theaters of war, among other things, managed to work in Chad, as well as in Afghanistan.” Three years ago he was awarded a military medal (which in our press was mistakenly called the Legion of Honor, but this is a military medal for soldiers and junior officers). It is known that he spoke both Russian and Ukrainian. The Ukrainian soldier training center Seal called him its military adviser, and former colleague Momchil Iliev noted that Gennady was a specialist in telemonitoring and video surveillance in the ranks of the Foreign Legion. In other words, one of the types of military intelligence.

    We should pay tribute to the French journalists - having learned the details of Germanovich’s biography, they for the most part began to write the words “rescuers” and “humanitarian workers” in ironic quotation marks. Miracles do not happen - a former military man with many years of experience in hot spots and such diverse knowledge could not materialize on the line of combat contact simply from a selfless desire to help people. By the way, his fate partly overshadowed the fate of his fellow sufferer, who in his own way also turned out to be not at all simple.

    The full name of the second victim is Adrien Bodon de Monis-Pajol, he was 41 years old, his family belongs to the French aristocracy, and his parents still live in the family castle in the department of Haute-Vienne. Owning and maintaining a castle in France is not a cheap pleasure, and that’s putting it mildly. Pajol himself was a businessman, an expert in the field of winemaking, and wrote articles about the intricacies of making wine. This, so to speak, is the visible side of his life, but what was hidden behind it is unknown. Members of his family refuse any contact with the press.

    The magazine Revue Vinicole Internationale published a piece about him, saying he was "an adventurer who loved adventure, the Limousin and the Tour de France." According to Laurent Bregeau, the mayor of the town of Aza-le-Rie, where the deceased lived, Adrien de Monis-Pajol was not going to Ukraine for the first time and was going to spend three months there. As the author of a local portal diplomatically writes , “several sites dedicated to the Ukrainian conflict are wondering about the profile and real mission of these two.

    The second victim, a former legionnaire, specialized in training Ukrainian soldiers... it is possible that both of them could be foreign intelligence agents.”

    By the way, winemaking is a very convenient platform for the work of an undercover intelligence officer, much less exposed than the work of a journalist. Winemaking means exhibitions, symposiums, tastings, communication with clients, including very rich and influential ones, constant trips to other countries to exchange experiences and trade. In this row you can also put gallery owners (art dealers) and antique dealers.

    Whether the winemaker was really an undercover intelligence officer or whether his passion for adventure took him too far does not matter in this case. From Paris's perspective, two French citizens were killed who were - legally - volunteers for a Swiss NGO. Officially, it is engaged in humanitarian missions, and there is no doubt that this is the version the French will adhere to.

    In France, mercenaryism is harshly persecuted, but no one forbids a French citizen to sign up as a rescuer in some foreign non-governmental office and, as such, go to fight or train soldiers.

    If anything happens, he will always have an excuse ready that he is a rescuer, not a combatant, and therefore, according to international law, he should not be killed.

    Moreover, there is no doubt that the French authorities will try to squeeze the maximum possible out of the situation - again insisting that peaceful, respectable rescuers died. No one will ever officially admit that these were scouts, mercenaries, people with a military mission.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:31 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not good

    The enemy publishes footage claiming that the Navy landing ship Caesar Kunikov was hit in the Black Sea
    ▪The footage is actively spreading across the Internet and people are asking questions. There is little that can be understood from the footage; there is no confirmation of this information now.
    ▪In the morning, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced an enemy attack in the Black Sea and the destruction of six drones by air defense forces. The military department did not comment on information about the ship.
    ▪Let us note that exactly 81 years ago, on February 14, 1943 (at the age of 33), Hero of the USSR Caesar Kunikov, after whom the landing ship was named, died in Gelendzhik.
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    I wonder how these naval drones can be tracked and destroyed more regularly

    Maybe in general there's not much can be done about them until Ukraine is deprived of a coast line

    But as long as Ukrainians focus on Crimea then the result will be like that because so far no real countermeasure exists

    Especially for soviet Era ships, they will remain vulnerable to USV attacks

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:22 pm


    One more Soviet tub scratched off

    Russian Navy sucks so fücking hard that I'm not even upset anymore, they are becoming great entertainment lol1

    At least this should finally convince MoD to buy new ships instead of using these toilet bowls 30 years past their expiration date


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:27 pm

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    The new Progres-Kalynovo-Kurakhovo defense line will be the site of the new Ukro defense behind Avdeevka

    Although this line will be breached easily like twigs in front of tanks

    Simply there are no urban fortifications there to speak of, just minefields and trenches

    Aviation and missiles will make short work of such a weak line

    Not to mention it will be totally disconnected from Chasov Yar , where VDV is already working

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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    One more Soviet tub scratched off

    Russian Navy sucks so fücking hard that I'm not even upset anymore, they are becoming great entertainment lol1

    At least this should finally convince MoD to buy new ships instead of using these toilet bowls 30 years past their expiration date



    I said many of these cases will happen. Nothing changed.
    New ships would sink just as well. They are like fish in a barrel, not much can be done against NATO ISR and Ukrainian USV. It’s NATO who is doing the hard work here.
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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:39 pm

    Regular wrote:New ships would sink just as well. They are like fish in a barrel, not much can be done against NATO ISR and Ukrainian USV. It’s NATO who is doing the hard work here.
    I wouldn't say nothing can be done. They could add hydrophones to the Black Sea to determine ship movements. I bet these high speed boats are quite noisy. They could also add more naval reconnaissance aircraft to the Black Sea area. They have the Il-38N. Just use it. Right now it is fixed in place in the Northern and Pacific Fleets.

    14mm machine guns with night sights should be added to boats close to the area of operations. And perhaps the addition of a rotary AK-630 30mm cannon to the larger ships that don't have them should be considered. Nets should be added to harbors.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:53 pm

    Regular wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    One more Soviet tub scratched off

    Russian Navy sucks so fücking hard that I'm not even upset anymore, they are becoming great entertainment lol1

    At least this should finally convince MoD to buy new ships instead of using these toilet bowls 30 years past their expiration date



    I said many of these cases will happen. Nothing changed.
    New ships would sink just as well. They are like fish in a barrel, not much can be done against NATO ISR and Ukrainian USV. It’s NATO who is doing the hard work here.

    If they can't deal with these drones then they should just consider the black sea closed and not send ships that are sitting ducks out there. It is possible they are testing solutions so they did send this old ship out as bait i suppose. They should also supply some of these to the Houthis to target US and UK warships.

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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:55 pm

    ^^^
    Some of what you mentioned were implemented, but the real problem is this

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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:02 pm

    In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:13 pm

    Ukrainians are obsessed with optics. Especially after their blunder with hundreds dead during training. Russian shipping is always most vulnerable and anyone who thinks Russia should magically zap all objects from the sky immediately are nafo teir.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:15 pm

    lancelot wrote:In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.

    But it won't do like Iran. The great power is less bold against US drones than Iran.
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    Post  lyle6 Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:15 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    I wonder how these naval drones can be tracked and destroyed more regularly

    Maybe in general there's not much can be done about them until Ukraine is deprived of a coast line

    But as long as Ukrainians focus on Crimea then the result will be like that because so far no real countermeasure exists

    Especially for soviet Era ships, they will remain vulnerable to USV attacks
    There probably are, but the Russians couldn't really care any less.

    NATO is wasting invaluable recon capabilities fighting an inconsequential naval battle against the derelict hulks of a fleet that is largely useless to the conduct of the actual fighting on the ground. This much effort makes sense if they are taking out the missile carriers ships and subs - but they're not (because they actually protected).


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    Post  mnztr Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:30 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    lancelot wrote:In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.

    But it won't do like Iran. The great power is less bold against US drones than Iran.

    the USAF deliberately flew that drone into Irans AD zone. Russia has an AD zone, this drone was right in the middle of the black sea so I am not sure if you can declare an AD zone that far out. But shooting down unmanned planes is an minor escalation.
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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:33 pm

    In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.
    That drone was inside Iranian airspace when shot down.
    Something the Americans avoid under any circumstances when it comes to Russia.

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