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Arkanghelsk wrote:Such a tactic is not "safer"
It has killed 30,000 men and 3x more wounded
Meaning if you draft more men, and subject them to this "tactic" you are going to kill a hell of a lot of conscripts
So yes, the polls agree with what I am saying
This needs to be finished violently and quickly
Not with using us in trenches as they did to Wagner and the poor volunteers
People do not want a mobilization, and the government will do it anyway
Right now polls show people prefer peace talks to drafting average fathers, sons, and brothers to be used as meat shields
People are more hardline, then any politician in Russia and the demands are more maximalist
If the war is not prosecuted as a real one, then people will push for peace talks, and this election will show itself
Men also, when polled, do not want to go fight in the SMO, and we extrapolate that from Wagner, volunteers declining, and overall discontent from high level generals who were muzzled by the MOD
They have 40,000 "volunteers" a month, but they are getting ready to draft another army
So it is reaching the end of the line, if the MOD and Putin have any more fuckups, society will not tolerate it , if you want to test that theory keep it going as it is
You want to keep attrition fighting ? We will end this with 60,000+ dead and 3x wounded
Like I'm saying, society WILL NOT tolerate it
My life is more valuable then any hohol
So if you value your own ass, I would not send draftees to fight under the current tactics
I would switch to a real war, and raze everything in front of the conscripts
Otherwise, I am telling you now, its not gonna be good the way it ends
And for the record, I am not advocating for a blitzkrieg, I'm advocating for a wholesale destruction of Ukraine, which should have been done since the beginning - not allowing NATO to rearm Ukraine over and over, and killing our guys by the thousands in this insane wack a mole strategy
We are hitting some arbitrary targets , after they blow up our ships , tankers, they are hitting Moscow, the Kremlin, they have sunk our ships, they have blown up the bridge twice, they have killed thousands of donbass people
And we continue to coddle these faggots
If you want a convoy of peace 2x, keep it up, you will get one , but it will be the army
Like PD was saying earlier, if the pressure from the public for peace talks becomes such that you end up not persecuting the war to its conclusion then you will end up with a 'fuckup' far worse than anything you can pin on the MOD and Putin. I'd be surprised if Russia survives some sort of negotiated peace, the effects on internal stability, geopolitics, national self-confidence and security in bordering Russian regions will be devastating. And it will only set the stage for a renewed and possibly deadlier war in the future.
But I'm confident that Russian society accepts and understands all that and I haven't seen any data to suggest that they are about to start pressuring the Kremlin for peace. On the contrary people have adapted to the idea that we're in the long-haul, that we can't have peace until the threat is dealt with or surrenders wholesale, and that the war may expand and escalate and that there may be more waves of mobilizations to come. And that any weakness at this juncture will only lead NATO to further provoke and escalate. Even if no-one likes the idea.
I don't understand how your 'real war' idea will help anything. You start razing everything; towns, cities, infrastructure as punitive measures - what will it achieve? The ones you're fighting are armed forces of the Ukraine and foreign mercs. You can make civilians suffer but it won't affect their ability to wage war. You can turn settlements into ruins but there is no guarantee that they won't wait out your barrages in the basements and then turn the ruins into new defensive positions.
The ones you need to make hell for are anyone on the other side with a gun in their hands; but that's what's already being done.
Last edited by flamming_python on Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:29 am; edited 2 times in total
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