Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

More proof that a Kinzhal was shot down.

Random pics

In ten years time what we have now will have collapsed... the US can't continue just borrowing more and never bothering to spend less than it earns... the current inflation levels in most western countries is punishing everyone who got into debt and a lot of companies and banks are going to collapse because of that but I don't think the US can afford to bail them all out again with free money like they did last time with their 750 billion dollar intervention.

It is funny... when poor people can't pay their debts they go to jail or at least end up homeless... when this happens to the rich and powerful... like bankers and politicians... they get handouts from the government, but no one goes to jail...

But we put up with it working like that so it continues.

With more and more of the middle class falling into poverty... well the poor people used to be the stupid people or unlucky people who took a risk that didn't pay off... as more and more intelligent people dip down below the poverty line they are going to start asking question.

The funny thing about western coverups is that there is always a few honest people who signed up to fight the bad guys... not to be part of the bad guys... who will release the truth even if it means exile or prison...

I don't expect the west to be fixed in 10 years, but I do expect their unlimited money printing press to be taken away and for them to start running on budget so they can start repaying their debt back.

What they should be doing is printing lots of money and using it to buy money making things in foreign countries... buy infrastructure in foreign countries so when the US dollar is worthless you will own property and resources in other countries you can use to generate income and keep you afloat... but they just seem to want to start wars and create instability and sell weapons.

Hole wrote:

Need more of this. Gotta deflate those Ukrainian offensive wheel before it even starting to turn.

Lets ignore the RU on the flanks and a wee bit of artillery or airborne delivered munitions but the point is well made.

Big Serge
@witte_sergei
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As the Battle of Bakhmut finally ends, let’s reflect on the fact that the AFU threw the better part of an Army Corps in to hold the city against a PMC and lost. Truly remarkable.

Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat.

Where to go after Bakhmut is secured?

Push on the Seversk balcony? It would solve many issues including taking the forests which separate kremenaya and Lyman from Seversk

Probably the reason for movement at Spornoye

Seversk is the most obvious location to start to squeeze from all sides

Chasov Yar is not really obvious to me, as it would resemble Bakhmut and Soledar - and wagners mission in Bakhmut was manifold

To eliminate a strong defense point of VSU, and to gain a strong base in the region to carry out more advances, to deprive the VSU of major underground shelters

And in general creating a natural boiler around seversk , bounded by the forests to the north,  and Soledar to the south

This area naturally leads to Slavyansk on top of that, behind seversk is the path to Slavyansk, and the entire region is conveniently positioned on a balcony overlooking the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration

Then you also have the issue of M-03 highway, the northeast needs to be cleared of VSU if they have hope of riding the highway straight to Slavyansk

Then again it should be the areas with the highest concentration of VSU

I think next should be avdeevka dismantle Ukrainian defenses there and provide Donetsk city it's long deserved buffer. With the city free of Ukrainian shelling, Normal life can resume and that's great for morale. Not gonna prevent Storm shadow strike tho.. but that's something VKS should be more actively handling.

The military priority is not to provide security for civilians, the main priority is to go after concentrations of Ukrainian manpower

Which guided the bakhmut operation

It was a stronghold where the VSU was moving their manpower and equipment in a safe place that the MOD chose to storm via wagner

Territorial gains, and/or strategic planning factored somewhat, but if it was guided by strategic territory they wouldn't have left Kharkov or Kherson

The main driver of General Staff planning is preserving forces, and bleeding the Ukrainians directly where they are concentrated

So expect an attack in the place where they are most concentrated

@JohninMK

How about that John!?

Thunderstorm in early May: on the issue of a new outbreak of the Palestinian-Israeli confrontation
May 17, 2021

Tel Aviv 17 May 2021.



https://russiancouncil.ru/analytics-and-comments/analytics/groza-v-nachale-maya-k-voprosu-o-novoy-vspyshke-palestino-izrailskogo-protivostoyaniya/?fbclid=IwAR0p9oVRzia3eHUMvY7sYmC2HCM8k4HiuS19hUcKdI2EhUXBfuLzLRwejsw

Also on this Israeli twitter account but the pic disappeared during the day

https://twitter.com/departmentios

Mir wrote:@JohninMK

How about that John!?

Tel Aviv 17 May 2021.

Totally brilliant. It was in the Daily Mail online. So, thanks to you they have been told.

The fighting to the north of Bakhmut has cost some troops lives

I don't understand the point of even 1 Russian soldier dying for these ukro scum

Looks like some Squads got wiped out in the fighting , I understand the attrition strategy,  I just don't agree with it

The society can tolerate it, but it doesn't make it right- losing these guys is not justified, even if it's socially accepted

Those guys lives are worth more than any civilian there

Sure one family survives, but in exchange another one lost a father, brother, husband, uncle

I wouldn't trade one Ukro family for the guys

ALAMO wrote:Werewolf, those are six Kievans who were stupid enough to publish materials with Patriot roast. Already in the hands of Ukrogestapo, 8 years imprisonment on the way.

I also hope this will shut up those talking about how there's no evidence of any HIMARS being destroyed, or evidence for downed Ukrainian planes, about how Russian aviation is ineffective, how Russia is failing to interdict weapons delivered to the Ukraine, and all the rest of this gunk

In the whole metropolis of Kiev, we were lucky enough to find 6 people who shared pics or videos of the event. If it wasn't for them, we would never have known about this Patriot humiliation at all. We would have had the same trolls spreading rumours about how Kinzhals were shot down by the PAC-3 if anything.

Given that in Kiev we only had 6 people, and given the punishment they are now facing over it - how do people suppose that anyone will be found to film or photograph wreckages of HIMARS or Ukrainian planes in the farm fields or forests somewhere, far off the beaten path?

You know perfectly well IT won't shut them up

ALAMO wrote:You know perfectly well IT won't shut them up

Yes, I didn't say that though as prefer my post as more of a rhetorical device

GarryB wrote:In ten years time what we have now will have collapsed... the US can't continue just borrowing more and never bothering to spend less than it earns... the current inflation levels in most western countries is punishing everyone who got into debt and a lot of companies and banks are going to collapse because of that but I don't think the US can afford to bail them all out again with free money like they did last time with their 750 billion dollar intervention.

It is funny... when poor people can't pay their debts they go to jail or at least end up homeless... when this happens to the rich and powerful... like bankers and politicians... they get handouts from the government, but no one goes to jail...

But we put up with it working like that so it continues.

With more and more of the middle class falling into poverty... well the poor people used to be the stupid people or unlucky people who took a risk that didn't pay off... as more and more intelligent people dip down below the poverty line they are going to start asking question.

The funny thing about western coverups is that there is always a few honest people who signed up to fight the bad guys... not to be part of the bad guys... who will release the truth even if it means exile or prison...

I don't expect the west to be fixed in 10 years, but I do expect their unlimited money printing press to be taken away and for them to start running on budget so they can start repaying their debt back.

What they should be doing is printing lots of money and using it to buy money making things in foreign countries... buy infrastructure in foreign countries so when the US dollar is worthless you will own property and resources in other countries you can use to generate income and keep you afloat... but they just seem to want to start wars and create instability and sell weapons.

The USA has the capacity to massively raise taxation without harming the consumer economy significantly. That is a fact. All they lack is political will. As is the case with most western nations, its only driven by a crisis. As you can see Biden wants to raise taxes on the rich, as you can see the GOP are trying to stop him. Its a game of chicken. money printing will have to be curtailed, but in a odd way the inflation wave will actually reduce the debt relative to the economy.

Arkanghelsk wrote:The fighting to the north of Bakhmut has cost some troops lives

I don't understand the point of even 1 Russian soldier dying for these ukro scum

Looks like some Squads got wiped out in the fighting , I understand the attrition strategy,  I just don't agree with it

The society can tolerate it, but it doesn't make it right- losing these guys is not justified, even if it's socially accepted

Those guys lives are worth more than any civilian there

Sure one family survives, but in exchange another one lost a father, brother, husband, uncle

I wouldn't trade one Ukro family for the guys

I agree with you. I don't think the MOD has chosen the easiest way to win this war. Will they win it? Well, its almost impossible for them not to, but the fact is, there were much easier ways to win this war and bring Ukraine to heel, with much less destruction and death on both sides. In some ways there has been innovation, but I find the approach highly questionable. I wish I could get a decent explanation of why Russia has failed to stop arms and fuel resupply. IMHO they have not even slowed it down appreciably. I wonder if I can FEDEX something to Bahkmut in 24 hours lol. The Ukrainians were down to 2 sqkm in Bakhmut and still had fuel for tanks. lol. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is they had to allow the proxy war to continue to prevent a direct war. Thus the extension of the war serves to enlarge the Russian army and also gives it an opportunity to massively rearm and defeat NATO weapons systems, this preparing for a direct war and also stripping away NATO self confidence in their wonder waffes.

In the US, they told what happened when the Patriot tried to intercept the "Dagger", 05.18.2023.

MWM: Patriot lost 32 missiles while trying to intercept the "Dagger" in the sky over Kiev.

MOSCOW, May 18 - RIA Novosti. The Patriot anti-aircraft system lost all 32 missiles while trying to shoot down the Russian hypersonic "Dagger", which destroyed the American air defence system, writes Military Watch Magazine.

"Thirty-two Patriot missiles that targeted Kinzhal ballistic missiles failed. Their total launch cost was $96 million," the article says.

The American air defense systems were left to protect the Ukrainian capital from major Russian strikes on critical infrastructure, since their degree of mobility is even less than that of the Soviet variants of the S-300 system . This did not allow the Patriot installations to be moved closer to the front to cover the troops, the publication notes.

On the eve of the Russian Armed Forces, they launched a massive attack on the points of deployment of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine , as well as on the places of storage of Western weapons, equipment and ammunition. In particular, the Kinzhal hypersonic missile hit the Patriot anti-aircraft complex in Kiev.

https://ria.ru/20230518/popytka-1872761555.html

What the hell is the Russian army and Wagner for if it isn't to defend RUSSIAN people from Nazi, NATO and similar filth?
In wars soldiers sometimes die. That's why they are called SOLDIERS. THAT is why they are revered more than any other occupation in the World.

Anyone who believes the Pukraine is a genuine country is seriously deluded.

You can order anything out of Ukraine, and ship it in as well,

It's the nonsense about this SMO, and aside from that, imagine, the worse of it is being borne by the people they are claiming are worth saving

It just doesn't make sense, ultimately it boils down to economic warfare and damage to both sides which is motivating the characteristics of the conflict

But there is little military strategy at play, its actually more of how much can the military band-aid to make up for the disastrous political approach to this

And yeah the political will is there, obviously on both sides to carry this to the end - and sure, if Biden loses or even if he doesn't,  the economic situation will force some kind of negotiation

But when it is all said and done, what was it for? A new security architecture? Well Russia didn't get it,

Territory? Negligible and in fact rejected in favor of economic war

I just don't see what is gained from it, it's a net loss, and at most , a transition to the east and decoupling from west is what was achieved

But the west will be standing albeit damaged, and Ukraine will remain a military threat for the foreseeable future

So you saved Russian economy for foreseeable future, but the prospects of an aggressive west and a Ukrainian battering ram will remain forever until its dealt with in a decisive way

IMO you can't do much about the west - they're going to remain there, but with Ukraine it's another story

Salt it from the earth, and that will be the last we here about a NATO expansion

Well there's Finland, so NVM about that too

The last bet , get S500 and Nudol , and position them on Ukrainian territory with early warning

Station massive conventional forces there with Ukrainian troops as a military economy will be the only economy in Ukraine that is sustainable

And then increase first strike risk on US from Latin America , because FOBS and Satan II won't raise alarms like MRBM will

One of the main points is to display Russian weakness if you show others that Russia cannot defeat Ukraine right next to its borders, that sends a message to everyone else. Do not oppose the west, if Russia cannot hope to win in a proxy war so close to home, its hopeless anywhere else.

Contrary to, the close minded and ignorant view of many on this forum, Anything less than the total annexation of Ukraine is a failure, you can only seize a small part of it, but then you are just status quoing it and that never goes well at all. The US will be very happy to take a bite today and come for more tomorrow, are you seriously that sort sighted to think we are putting all the cards in one basket? well yes, many are.

Thats the problem with the human psyche it only sees what it wants to see and only hears what it wants to hear, and when confronted with a harsh cold truth it doesn't like, it will lash out.

You either pay the price now and get ukraine under control or you will pay a 10x heavier press in a few decades, that choice is for the russians to make.

Arkanghelsk wrote:You can order anything out of Ukraine, and ship it in as well,

It's the nonsense about this SMO, and aside from that, imagine, the worse of it is being borne by the people they are claiming are worth saving

It just doesn't make sense, ultimately it boils down to economic warfare and damage to both sides which is motivating the characteristics of the conflict

But there is little military strategy at play, its actually more of how much can the military band-aid to make up for the disastrous political approach to this

And yeah the political will is there, obviously on both sides to carry this to the end - and sure, if Biden loses or even if he doesn't,  the economic situation will force some kind of negotiation

But when it is all said and done, what was it for? A new security architecture? Well Russia didn't get it,

Territory? Negligible and in fact rejected in favor of economic war

I just don't see what is gained from it, it's a net loss, and at most , a transition to the east and decoupling from west is what was achieved

But the west will be standing albeit damaged, and Ukraine will remain a military threat for the foreseeable future

So you saved Russian economy for foreseeable future, but the prospects of an aggressive west and a Ukrainian battering ram will remain forever until its dealt with in a decisive way

IMO you can't do much about the west - they're going to remain there, but with Ukraine it's another story

Salt it from the earth, and that will be the last we here about a NATO expansion

Well there's Finland, so NVM about that too

The last bet , get S500 and Nudol , and position them on Ukrainian territory with early warning

Station massive conventional forces there with Ukrainian troops as a military economy will be the only economy in Ukraine that is sustainable

And then increase first strike risk on US from Latin America , because FOBS and Satan II won't raise alarms like MRBM will

The Ukraine will either agree to the new borders that Russia has decided upon, and to be both a de-jure and de-facto militarily neutral country with no foreign military bases, exercises or other activities on its soil - and both of those conditions fulfilled in full, or there will be no successful negotiation to end the war.

It really is as simple as that. And just these two conditions seem to represent an insurmountable barrier for the West to ever accept. They have staked so much against it that at this stage accepting these new conditions of Russia is as much an existential matter for them as it is for Russia. Through their own fault, it need not have been this way. By now, accepting such conditions will officially mean the end of the unipolar world and the beginning of the multipolar one. And the Western bloc at the extent of its current territorial and economic reach will likely not survive this shift, peripheries will begin to break off and play according to the new rules in the world.

It is for this reason, that these 2 conditions are in fact the only ones that Russia needs to insist upon, and upon the fulfillment of which the mainstay of the threat to it would be removed.
And also for this reason that any sort of peace settlement is unlikely and the war will only go on and quite possibly escalate once the Ukrainian army and authorities start to falter.
The growing signs of US cold feet on the Ukraine crisis ostensibly in favour of focusing on China is predicated on the expectation that Russia is desperate for a way out too and will accept some symbolic gains or horsetrading in return for a Minsk-3 type deal of a frozen conflict and lines of control, and the preservation of a hostile Ukrainian regime on its doorstep that will subsequently be rearmed by NATO. However nothing is further from the truth.

mnztr wrote:

GarryB wrote:In ten years time what we have now will have collapsed... the US can't continue just borrowing more and never bothering to spend less than it earns... the current inflation levels in most western countries is punishing everyone who got into debt and a lot of companies and banks are going to collapse because of that but I don't think the US can afford to bail them all out again with free money like they did last time with their 750 billion dollar intervention.

It is funny... when poor people can't pay their debts they go to jail or at least end up homeless... when this happens to the rich and powerful... like bankers and politicians... they get handouts from the government, but no one goes to jail...

But we put up with it working like that so it continues.

With more and more of the middle class falling into poverty... well the poor people used to be the stupid people or unlucky people who took a risk that didn't pay off... as more and more intelligent people dip down below the poverty line they are going to start asking question.

The funny thing about western coverups is that there is always a few honest people who signed up to fight the bad guys... not to be part of the bad guys... who will release the truth even if it means exile or prison...

I don't expect the west to be fixed in 10 years, but I do expect their unlimited money printing press to be taken away and for them to start running on budget so they can start repaying their debt back.

What they should be doing is printing lots of money and using it to buy money making things in foreign countries... buy infrastructure in foreign countries so when the US dollar is worthless you will own property and resources in other countries you can use to generate income and keep you afloat... but they just seem to want to start wars and create instability and sell weapons.

The USA has the capacity to massively raise taxation without harming the consumer economy significantly. That is a fact. All they lack is political will. As is the case with most western nations, its only driven by a crisis. As you can see Biden wants to raise taxes on the rich, as you can see the GOP are trying to stop him. Its a game of chicken. money printing will have to be curtailed, but in a odd way the inflation wave will actually reduce the debt relative to the economy.

The only way to "massively raise taxation" without hurting the consumer economy would be to tax wealth, not income, in effect an inheritance tax on the wealthy while they are still living. It is also a much more equitable form of taxation, but since the rich bankroll the politicians and own the media/social media/Hollywood, it isn't going to happen. Inflation only reduces debt via diminishing the real value of outstanding debt, but in the US the marginal rate of new debt creation doesn't decline, in fact it has to increase to produce the same unit of economic output. Only productivity gains via technology can offset this and that is exactly why stocks like MSFT and GOOGL are increasing in value because AI is viewed as the next wave of productivity enhancement estimated to add 4% to S&P 500 margins in the next decade which is huge.

How about the 'cloud' on the top ? Could it be water vapour from the explosion of say petrol? Or is it just the heat on a damp day? Not seen it before.



Big Serge
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Russia is striking at will in Ukrainian rear areas because Ukrainian AD is degraded at the same time they have to move many of their remaining systems up to cover concentration areas at the front.

Will Schryver
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The Russians have been relentlessly striking BIG ammo dumps over the past few weeks.

Either the AFU has suddenly become remarkably careless, or Russian intel has dramatically improved -- or perhaps the depot locations are being deliberately betrayed to them.