Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Mass grave found in Izyum
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mass-grave-more-than-440-bodies-found-izium-ukraine-police-2022-09-15/

Russian army made a video of a burial of said soldiers. I believe it was recorded sometime in May.

sepheronx wrote:Apparently Volunteers also get a ton of benefits too.  It was either posted here before or on one of the telegram channels.

Yes, but they´re not pulled away from their working place or families. No disruptions for the economy or angry wifes. 

The other side, from an Saker article:

By the way, some sofa-generals have pointed out to me that the Ukraine has 30M people and that it can continue to throw meat at Russian forces for a long time.  I disagree. For starters, the real population is under 30M, but that is not even the point.  If you have 100 people, only a certain percentage (say 25%) can be used as soldiers (even old clueless Volkssturmers).  “Ze” spoke of “only” ONE million soldiers, and that included everybody from the local cop to the top army generals.  But even the one million misses that point.  The Ukronazis are have massive manpower shortages (hence their constant waves of mobilization which I have lost track of) not only due to the Russian meat-grinder, but because many/most Ukrainians are trying to avoid being set to the frontlines.  The rich have already left (either for the EU or Russia), the really hardcore nationalists are being killed en masse by the Russians.  The numbers of Ukronazi soldiers pretty well trained by NATO is only in the tens of thousands.  As for the Ukronazi elite forces (death squads, diversionary-reconnaissance groups, terrorists gangs and GUR/SBU special forces), they are many a few thousands max (probably a few hundreds).
Also, whatever the actual size of the Ukronazis forces currently may be, the bigger the force, the bigger the logistical difficulties in keeping these forces at the right locations and adequately resupplied. And, of course, the closer these Ukrainian forces are the more the Russian can destroy them AND their supply lines.
So, my alternatively gifted sofa-generals, you can wave your Ukie flags even harder, just don’t get your hopes too high :-)

Backman wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Mass grave found in Izyum
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mass-grave-more-than-440-bodies-found-izium-ukraine-police-2022-09-15/

STFU. Call it what it is. Another propaganda psyop. I reported on it 2 pages ago

More on that:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-dissecting-some-war-propaganda-news-items.html#more

It wouldn't surprise me if the Saker and Martyanov venture over to team doom if things keep going as they are.

JohninMK wrote:Today's new allocation of US gifts

As for the newly approved $600 million package, the package includes the following according to a Department of Defense list:

   Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
   36,000 105mm artillery rounds
   1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds
   Four counter-artillery radars
   Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment
   Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
   Mine clearing equipment
   Claymore anti-personnel munitions
   Demolition munitions and equipment
   Small arms and ammunition
   Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment

Still part of the first "aid" package.

caveat emptor wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:
I am ashamed that this "mountaineer" is my countryman. Alamo, you'll sooner reach the next nearest star than explain anything to him. A complete idiot...

Oh, a connoisseur of Romanov's German sausage entered the chat. Believe me son, feeling is mutual.
They've let you out for the weekend? How's therapy progressing?
I can bet that everything you've seen from the foreign countries is Nesebar and Paralia.

Listen to me crowbar, you are not worthy to write with me. It is better for you to climb that mountain in the picture and breathe fresh air than to blow something else.

Putin said that the special operation's overall plan won't see any major alterations. "The plan is not subject to adjustment, the General Staff makes operational decisions during the operation...This work continues despite these counteroffensive attempts by the Ukrainian military," he said.

Putin emphasized that Moscow is "in no hurry" to reach its objectives, and using only contract troops, not the full force of the Russian army.

"Our troops were withdrawn from the Kiev direction to create conditions for concluding such an agreement. Instead, the authorities in Kiev immediately abandoned all agreements, threw them in a box, and announced that they would not seek any agreements with Russia, but victory on the battlefield. Well, be our guests," Putin said.

Putin stressed that Russia was "serious" about the security guarantee idea hammered out in the course of talks in the spring, and recalled that guarantees were required from Russia, major Western powers and Turkey. "In general, we agreed with this. There were some things that required minor adjustments, but we agreed in general. This was a very important demand but Kiev authorities then delayed it," he lamented.

So the Kremlins bet, is that the West won't last the duration of the conflict which they will keep going for long time

Based on Putins words

Hopefully he's right- if he's wrong, it's a fatal error

Podlodka77 wrote:

Listen to me crowbar, you are not worthy to write with me. It is better for you to climb that mountain in the picture and breathe fresh air than to blow something else.

Eventually, therapy will start to work. Don't lose hope. Medicine does wonders nowadays. Blowing and sucking i'm leaving to you. Hence the German sausage comment.

"That mountain" is none other than Matterhorn. Great climb. I can recommend.

caveat emptor wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

Listen to me crowbar, you are not worthy to write with me. It is better for you to climb that mountain in the picture and breathe fresh air than to blow something else.

Eventually, therapy will start to work. Don't lose hope. Medicine does wonders nowadays. Blowing and sucking i'm leaving to you. Hence the German sausage comment.

"That mountain" is none other than Matterhorn. Great climb. I can recommend.

Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry "a man must know his limitations" which you don't understand. That's how you regularly swallow fatty sausages from others in the comments, but you are not aware of it. People here tear you like a condom. I assume you like the BBC, but that doesn't apply to British TV.

Podlodka77 wrote:

Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry "a man must know his limitations" which you don't understand. That's how you regularly swallow fatty sausages from others in the comments, but you are not aware of it. People here tear you like a condom. I assume you like the BBC, but that doesn't apply to British TV.

I think that it is time for your pills. They shouldn't let you among regular folks. Obviously, you're still not ready.
Stop ruining the thread.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin said that the special operation's overall plan won't see any major alterations. "The plan is not subject to adjustment, the General Staff makes operational decisions during the operation...This work continues despite these counteroffensive attempts by the Ukrainian military," he said.

Putin emphasized that Moscow is "in no hurry" to reach its objectives, and using only contract troops, not the full force of the Russian army.

He could be lying. He's done that in this war before. He better be lying.

Anyway other news

The Pentagon expects that NASAMS SAMs will be delivered to Ukraine within two months.

Pentagon spokesman Patrick Ryder said at a briefing. So in other words, they are already there and will be used at any moment.

Putin doesn't seem interested in this war.

Arkanghelsk wrote:So the Kremlins bet, is that the West won't last the duration of the conflict which they will keep going for long time

Based on Putins words

Hopefully he's right- if he's wrong, it's a fatal error

He's dead wrong. The hate for Russia and Russians in the West will prolong this war for as long as the West wants. They will never ever give Russia a victory for free out of being tired of supporting Ukraine. He's delusional.

Yeah. They want an escalation. An escalation that they will lose !

Arkanghelsk wrote:So the Kremlins bet, is that the West won't last the duration of the conflict which they will keep going for long time

Based on Putins words

Hopefully he's right- if he's wrong, it's a fatal error

The tactic is clear.... destroy material and manpower as much as possible. Leaving an unbearable cost of lives for Ukraine and material for its western suppliers.... if need be, he changes tactics. There's a resource for that. Equally important is economic warfare. Russia will break Europe, which will not have cheap energy, making production unfeasible. Putin is thinking strategically, not localized combat.

ludovicense wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:So the Kremlins bet, is that the West won't last the duration of the conflict which they will keep going for long time

Based on Putins words

Hopefully he's right- if he's wrong, it's a fatal error

The tactic is clear.... destroy material and manpower as much as possible. Leaving an unbearable cost of lives for Ukraine and material for its western suppliers.... if need be, he changes tactics. There's a resource for that. Equally important is economic warfare. Russia will break Europe, which will not have cheap energy, making production unfeasible. Putin is thinking strategically, not localized combat.

This was obvious back then too. They are hoping that EU will eventually feel the pinch to the point backing out and Winter is best time for that. If by Mid Winter and the EU is willing to take heavy losses, then things may ratchet up.

I have said before " Ukrainians will run out of bodies , before Russia runs out of bullets . "  And  that " the West will run out of fuel ( most probably )  , before Russia runs out of reserves . "  But neither of these things will stop the war , and stop missile strikes against Russia , since you only need a small , well paid crew to launch missiles. And neither of these things will remove Nazis from Kiev , since you need to occupy entire Ukraine for sometime , to ensure that . and neither of these things will ensure that Russian fuel embargo against West , will work in time for sure . So a prolonged operation , as it stands now , will not achieve the stated aim of denazification and demilitarization . The only action that will achieve these aims , is a surge in forces , enabling entire Ukraine to be cleared of Nazis . A surge is possible and will not damage the economy , if it is in the order of a few weeks , enough time to capture most Nazis . After this surge , a more modest number ( equal to present numbers of a little more ) will patrol the borders of Ukraine  . If per chance , it does not work , then nothing , or much less is lost . Economic activity can return to normal . But if it works it will end the war , together with the cost of the war in blood and treasure , in the long term .

billybatts91 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:So the Kremlins bet, is that the West won't last the duration of the conflict which they will keep going for long time

Based on Putins words

Hopefully he's right- if he's wrong, it's a fatal error

He's dead wrong. The hate for Russia and Russians in the West will prolong this war for as long as the West wants. They will never ever give Russia a victory for free out of being tired of supporting Ukraine. He's delusional.

Putin's calculus seems to be the West - and in particular Europe - will break and seek a compromise. The US/UK are relatively unscathed and in fact important interest groups like the MIC are making money hand over fist. The neocons are practically orgasmic at the thought of manipulating Ukrainians and Russians to kill each other (real Orthodox brotherhood). The flaw in Putin's logic is the West can always up the ante in terms of provocations to the point where he has to react. Bombing Belgorod might not get a rise out of the Russian population. I bet bombing Moscow does.

The problem is that US is willing to sacrifice EU for this and destroy it’s economy just to hurt Russia.
Europeans are too docile to do anything about it

Scott Ritter ex UN weapons inspector, on the Grayzone live stream earlier today.