Russian special military operation in Ukraine #19

Uragan is still being used. Was used throughout this week. Interesting, because Tornado is available and yet Uragan is being used. Maybe the cost of operation is low for the Uragan.

In many ways Uragan is equivalent to MLRS and for most targets the effect is similar to 300mm Smerch rockets but limited to shorter ranges of the smaller calibre rockets (220mm).

Great way to use up old stocks and still devastate the target.

The frenzied rush to U-rope and all the
"Ukraina tse Evropa" is driven by losers who cannot cope with their failure.

They recognise something is wrong with Ukraine, but their mistake is to think HATO or the EU could fix it... or that they even want to fix it...

8 years of loans and promises of support but when push comes to shove... no troops, just surplus gear to bleed and die in a war they can't win.

A friend would not do that to a friend.

A good person wouldn't even do that to someone they don't know.

Perhaps the US justifies it by saying... well at heart they are nazis so getting them to die killing Russians is a win win for us... enemy of my enemy and all that is a way to get two groups that does not include yourself to fight it out while you watch and encourage someone you don't care about trying to hurt someone who scares you.

Story here is that the two were caught taking the Russian flag down... underwent re-education (no bruises showing Very Happy ) and given the honor of replacing it back to it's place

I thought I sensed a lack of enthusiasm there...

If religion is the cause, how do you explain the antagonistic stance that Bulgaria, Georgia, Moldova, Montenegro, Macedonia and Romania (all orthodox christian) have taken against Russia long before the Ukraine war started?

Religion is part of the reason for the differences, but most of those countries are pigs wanting to get their snouts into the feed trough or for Bulgaria and Romania keeping it full of food... they have to sing the song and dance the dance or the free food dries up... of course with a big german military build up and likely switch to coal fired power generation and disruptions to cheap energy I am not sure how much cash is going to get thrown around over the next few years meaning a bit of honesty might start showing its ugly head...

Not Russias problem any more now though... they are not going to bust their arse to help the Germans or EU with anything now.

Scorpius wrote:Early morning of February 24, 2022.
20 IL-76 aircraft at one of the airfields loaded with equipment and fighters for parachute (!) use while waiting for takeoff to the landing site 30 km from Kiev - presumably
Without a doubt, this landing would have gone down in history, but it did not take place.
It's probably for the best…
However, good morning and may the Force be with us!

https://t.me/razvedosaa/1364

Propably part of the "maskirovka". They know that NATO could see the preparations via satellites. So all the "defenders" of Kiev were moved towards Gostomel and other possible landing sites giving the armored columns space and time to move into place to lock down even more "defenders".

PapaDragon wrote:

Scorpius wrote:Early morning of Febr...

It would have definitely gone down in history alongside all those airplanes... in flaming fireballs

It would have been a perfect cherry on top of the worst military plan ever conceived

Someone wanted to serve all those Russian corpses to Kiev on a silver platter

First off , the plan wasn't the problem. The problem was that Russia thought it had a deal with some generals and mayors inside Ukraine. Turns out all of these ppl were secretly in the pay of the United States. Yet again the Russians trusted someone. And assumed some rationality on the part of their interlocketor. Russia should have known that something was off considering how sure the US was that Russia was to attAck. But it's funny how even that intel backfired on the US. Nobody believed it. Not even Zelensky.

Second , close calls don't count. These planes were not deployed.

Third , Russia clearly had a plan in place for when plan A failed. They pivoted to plan B right away.

4th. I guess this is where the fake news of 2 il-76's shot down over Kiev came from.

Anyway Russia is playing far to nice in this war still. Especially considering this betrayal. Everyone in the command on down in Ukraine deserves what they are getting good and hard.

Hole wrote:


Support center for civilians

All Russian efforts must be directed at integrating these people. Economic, tax, educational benefits. Too much have they had to put up with at the hands of the Western Ukrainian bastards and there they stand with their nation.

Raw intense combat footage of Russian VDV troops storming the Airfield near Kiev on Feb 24. They did what VDV was trained to do.
Upon landing they immediately took control of the airfield & hold it till the reinforcement arrived. They defended the airfield for several days while Ukrops attacked them in all directions with every weapon at their disposal.

Such a daring operation is unimaginable for the Western military. They have neither courage nor the skillsets to perform such complex missions. I mean, able to safely land your troops under intense enemy fire is in itself a gigantic achievement.

Backman wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Scorpius wrote:Early morning of Febr...

It would have definitely gone down in history alongside all those airplanes... in flaming fireballs

It would have been a perfect cherry on top of the worst military plan ever conceived

Someone wanted to serve all those Russian corpses to Kiev on a silver platter

First off , the plan wasn't the problem. The problem was that Russia thought it had a deal with some generals and mayors inside Ukraine. Turns out all of these ppl were secretly in the pay of the United States. Yet again the Russians trusted someone. And assumed some rationality on the part of their interlocketor. Russia should have known that something was off considering how sure the US was that Russia was to attAck. But it's funny how even that intel backfired on the US. Nobody believed it. Not even Zelensky.

Second , close calls don't count. These planes were not deployed.

Third , Russia clearly had a plan in place for when plan A failed. They pivoted to plan B right away.

4th. I guess this is where the fake news of 2 il-76's shot down over Kiev came from.

Anyway Russia is playing far to nice in this war still. Especially considering this betrayal. Everyone in the command on down in Ukraine deserves what they are getting good and hard.

When do you people accept that general staffs don´t work that way, at least the russian one? There was no Plan A or B. There is and nearly endless ammount of plans for all circumstances.

The move towards Kiev was a feint from the beginning. You can´t just send in a few hundred soldiers that slowly advance if you want such a maneuver to fool your enemy. You have to send in thousands, that´s why that 60km long column of armored vehicles and trucks appeared north of Kiev.

Did they hope that the political leadership of the regime would collapse or be replaced by some officers in a coup? Sure. But the hundreds of cruise missiles flying into "Ukraine" destroying the air force and air defence tells me that nobody waited for that to happen.

All this stories about "soft-handed" approach or betrayal by someone were created after the first stage of the operation was finished and some dumbasses couldn´t grasp what had happened.

Of course the Nazi Wehrmacht deserves to being annihilated, but the "playing nice" has to do with the large number of civilians living in that area which belongs to the DPR/LPR/Russia. The last think the Russians want is to kill their fellow compatriots.

https://www.stalkerzone.org/missile-strikes-on-kiev-the-sphere-of-counterintelligence/

The group of Russian troops O liberated the village of Volcheyarovka near Lisichansk. Ukrainian troops retreating from Lisichansk lost one of the key roads to get out of the emerging "cauldron".
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/12646

China does not want to have a risk of being blockaded by the US and losing access to world energy and raw materials.
Russia providing as many of those materials as possible overland counter US blackmail and blockade.

This is whole point of One Belt project.

https://tass.com/defense/1471521

Russian Pantsyr-S system downs Ukrainian Su-25 plane, 12 rockets over Snake Island

The Russian air defense forces also eliminated eight Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles and 19 rockets

MOSCOW, June 26. /TASS/. A Russian Pantsyr-S air defense system shot down a Ukrainian Su-25 ground attack plane and 12 Grad rockets over Snake Island in the Black Sea, with no casualties reported among the island’s garrison, Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov reported on Sunday.

"The enemy made yet another unsuccessful attempt to deliver strikes by aircraft and multiple launch rocket systems against Snake Island. A Pantsyr-S anti-aircraft missile/gun system thwarted the attack, shooting down a Su-25 plane of the Ukrainian Air Force and 12 rockets. There are no casualties among the garrison’s personnel and no destruction," the spokesman said.

The Russian air defense forces also eliminated eight Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and 19 rockets, including shells over Snake Island, Konashenkov reported.

"Russian air defense capabilities eliminated eight Ukrainian UAVs near the settlements of Varvarovka and Rai-Aleksandrovka in the Lugansk People’s Republic, Belyayevka in the Kherson Region, Malaya Kamyshevakha and Maliye Prokhody in the Kharkov Region," the spokesman said.

The Russian air defense systems also shot down 19 shells of multiple launch rocket systems near the communities of Suligovka, Glinskoye and Sukhaya Kamenka in the Kharkov Region, Makeyevka in the Donetsk People’s Republic and over Snake Island, the general said.

The Pantsyr is a Russian ground-based self-propelled surface-to-air missile/gun system designated to shield military and civilian facilities, including long-range air defense systems, from all existing and future air attack weapons.

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Backman wrote:



Did they hope that the political leadership of the regime would collapse or be replaced by some officers in a coup? Sure. But the hundreds of cruise missiles flying into "Ukraine" destroying the air force and air defence tells me that nobody waited for that to happen.


Of course the Nazi Wehrmacht deserves to being annihilated, but the "playing nice" has to do with the large number of civilians living in that area which belongs to the DPR/LPR/Russia. The last think the Russians want is to kill their fellow compatriots.

The air force and navy were gonna get whooped regardless I would think.

What explains the undefended special forces groups that got hit around Kiev ? If there was some kind of deal in place, it would make sense to send small groups of special forces to govt buildings to meet up with them. Similar to the Crimea op. But some of them were completely ambushed. This probably didn't happen near to the extent that the media made it look. But it did happen in some areas.

There has been rumors that 120 FSB officers were fired or arrested or something a couple weeks into the war. I only mention it because I heard it from some pro Russia sources too. Is there any truth to this ? Im just asking.

Some of this stuff in the first few days just points to a Crimea style op gone wrong.

“Topolevka is OURS!!!”

Just rumors at this time but huge if true.

Also not that surprising considering the speed of advance in recent days.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/12662

Backman wrote:

The air force and navy were gonna get whooped regardless I would think.

What explains the undefended special forces groups that got hit around Kiev ? If there was some kind of deal in place, it would make sense to send small groups of special forces to govt buildings to meet up with them. Similar to the Crimea op. But some of them were completely ambushed. This probably didn't happen near to the extent that the media made it look. But it did happen in some areas.

There has been rumors that 120 FSB officers were fired or arrested or something a couple weeks into the war. I only mention it because I heard it from some pro Russia sources too. Is there any truth to this ? Im just asking.

Some of this stuff in the first few days just points to a Crimea style op gone wrong.

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What would have a deal with some local power broker do when terborona , nazis and VSU came in and did what they wanted?

The local mayor make no difference, the ones who decides is the one with the power or the weapons

So If Kharkov mayor makes a deal with you, it means fuckall if the city was already swarmed by Nazis and weapons

That was the problem, gross underestimation of the banderite spirit

The deal did make one thing clear, that there were people willing to welcome Russia

But then the next problem became how to liberate those people without killing them?

That is why the fighting goes on piecemeal

The fighting in the east, must take place there because it is the greatest concentration of nazism and weapons

Western shipments through lvov are not important , they afford nazis maybe 1 or 2 more days to fight

But the real threat are the prepared positions, trenches, fortifications and dug in areas in front of Donetsk

As for the ambushes, there was a desire to see how deep the disease of banderism was

I do think the army will return to Kiev, but only once donbass is sanitized

That will also be when zelensky will fly out of the country

All the western bullshit of negotiations are just to keep the fighting going

Once donbass is cleared, the army will go back to February 24 style operations

Because those 100 BTGs will fan out and slice through like butter

The donbass positions of nazis are the only thing safeguarding the integrity of Ukraine at the moment

Once that is gone, there is nothing standing between Russia and the rest of Ukraine

RF SU-25's over Ukraine.


When you are too dumb to see the literal writing on the wall


Mariupol, reconstruction and cleaning explosives is ongoing


Artillery of the LPR tries to persuade the ukrainian army in Lisichansk pocket to surrender


o-Group continues to disasemble Ukrainian fortifications ahead of the advance


love the wolf/fox emblems on the turret.

Sprut-B wrote:

https://t.me/intelslava/31606

Raw intense combat footage of Russian VDV troops storming the Airfield near Kiev on Feb 24. They did what VDV was trained to do.
Upon landing they immediately took control of the airfield & hold it till the reinforcement arrived. They defended the airfield for several days while Ukrops attacked them in all directions with every weapon at their disposal.

Such a daring operation is unimaginable for the Western military. They have neither courage nor the skillsets to perform such complex missions. I mean, able to safely land your troops under intense enemy fire is in itself a gigantic achievement.  

The Russian operation to secure Gostomel was an epic and heroic action, its the sort of stuff that can easily result in stirring action films.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Sprut-B wrote:

https://t.me/intelslava/31606

Raw intense combat footage of Russian VDV troops storming the Airfield near Kiev on Feb 24. They did what VDV was trained to do.
Upon landing they immediately took control of the airfield & hold it till the reinforcement arrived. They defended the airfield for several days while Ukrops attacked them in all directions with every weapon at their disposal.

Such a daring operation is unimaginable for the Western military. They have neither courage nor the skillsets to perform such complex missions. I mean, able to safely land your troops under intense enemy fire is in itself a gigantic achievement.  

The Russian operation to secure Gostomel was an epic and heroic action, its the sort of stuff that can easily result in stirring action films.

Westerners see it in movies and video games but Russians do it in reality. That is the difference.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954233/Beast-East-Panicking-Putin-calls-OBESE-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html

Daily mail article claiming Putin is putting some obese guy in command, Dam man this article is bad. Got to admit made me chuckle

SeigSoloyvov wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954233/Beast-East-Panicking-Putin-calls-OBESE-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html
Daily mail article claiming Putin is putting some obese guy in command, Dam man this article is bad. Got to admit made me chuckle

It seems Vitaly Gerasimov was killed on March 8 around Kharkiv, despite being seen shaking hands with Kadyrov in Mariupol after that. Strange uh.

Man. The Daily Mail. Typical BS. This is probably a little hint of reality mixed a huge wallop of fantasy. I would not be surprised if the Russian general staff wants to give field generals command experience, or a refresher, and is rotating them around to do just that. And it is being misconstrued as some kind of purge.

As for the "FSB purge" I would not be surprised if there was something of the sort since at least in Kharkiv there seems to have been an attempt at a handover which went seriously wrong. But at the same time the SVR/GRU also seem to be doing something right because those cruise missiles keep hitting targets deep in Ukrainian territory with information way, way, too accurate to be satellite intel. And I don't think the drones reach quite there in a regular timetable.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954233/Beast-East-Panicking-Putin-calls-OBESE-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html

Daily mail article claiming Putin is putting some obese guy in command, Dam man this article is bad. Got to admit made me chuckle

This article is hilarious. They couldn't even make up full name for the "general".

Guys,.
i know i sometimes go off topic but this has gone for over an page in the thread.

ask Garry to move your race discussion off the Ukraine thread and go fight it out there with each other.
I don't care where or what triggered this discussion.

As far I am concerned the soviet flag does not judge race.
The Denazification of Ukraine is done under the Hammer and Sickle.
Victory over Nazism and NATO's war-machine is what matters.
the RF/DPR/LPR does not care what nationalities join their ranks.

as a reminder, this WW2 veteran in Mariupol could participate in the parade again after being suppressed for years.
its more important than personal squabbles over "race" done here.


Restoration of cultural and historical lands.
To put things right and give the people living in these territories an opportunity at living an normal life again.
With their own nationality and identity restored.

Never forget the bigger picture in the conflict here.

Kadyrov announced the creation of four battalions in Chechnya

Kadyrov announced the creation of four battalions with "exclusively Chechen guys"
“Friends, very soon four military battalions “North-Akhmat”, “South-Akhmat”, “West-Akhmat” and “Vostok-Akhmat” with an impressive number of personnel will be formed in the Chechen Republic. The military contingent will include exclusively Chechen guys. They will replenish the troops of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation... The desire to form new battalions with fully equipped personnel is caused by an extremely patriotic mood among the youth of the region.The number of people who want to defend the Motherland is growing exponentially, and our task is to provide them with such an opportunity ", Kadyrov wrote in his Telegram channel.

https://ria.ru/20220627/batalony-1798284669.html


That's  how  magic is done, no mobilization yet more troops in Ukraine.

Airbornewolf wrote:
Victory over Nazism and NATO's war-machine is what matters.

what nazizm what nazizm?