Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

The Russian ambassador confirmed the note from the Polish Foreign Ministry demanding the expulsion of 45 diplomats on charges of espionage. Russian foreign ministry stated that they will respond to this.


Also if anyone is wondering why livemap has turned extremely bias during this conflict it's because the two owners of livemap are Ukrainian and pro neo Nazi as well as suffering from snowflake syndrome. Another source which has turned into a pile of crap.

Anyone else got better sources ? Apart from telegram

flamming_python wrote:All this criticism of me being a hidden Ukrop

How many times was it discussed on this forum that Russia has nothing to do by going into the Ukraine? That it should be left alone?

Would the Ukraine have attacked if Russia hadn't attacked first?
I'd say there is good reason to believe that. They were not implementing Minsk, and like Saakashvilli they were only expanding the Ukrainian military. While building up more and more NATO infrastructure.
But the fact is we'll never know. Nor whether they would have attacked, nor whether NATO planned to accept them. As it was Russia that attacked. Everything else is just 'what if'

And if Russia would have succeeded in destabilising the Ukrainian regime quickly, or forcing them into a treaty - it would be one thing. For I'm sure that was the goal
But from what I can see Russia has moved from plan A, to plan B, and now to plan C.
And I don't like plan C. But there is no reverse gear as now Russia is in a proxy war with NATO.

And for that one can only blame our political and military leadership.
They consciously walked right into the bear trap that NATO has set for them, believing somehow that they can outsmart it. Instead though they underestimated everything and ended up in this situation.
Russia had 8 years to figure out something more clever. To bring about some sort of settlement on the Crimea and frozen conflict in the Donbass. Instead this shit.
And no I don't like that Ukrainian servicemen, even conscripts are paying the price for it.

Hence our command fked up. Whatever the outcome of this war, they should be put on a tribunal. Without regime change, just simply changing the guard.

The Ukraine wouldn't be touched by Russia if it was just simply stupid out of own confusion, but the issue at hand is, that the entire administration, the entire Rada and everyone who is making decisions are CIA assets. They are all whores of the West and certainly not to steal Poroshenko's candy bars. They have been planning and meddling in Russia's front yard. This is not a mere threat spouted from some lunatic but direct actions of the US trying to destroy Russia. So why are you not accepting it? You know it is a fact but still you don't like when Russia acts on its own behalf for its own security.

Russia will leave the Ukraine alone once the military objectives have been met and the country will be CIA free, no more nazis, no more anti-russian assets of the west. They will swallow their pride and russophobia and will fucking move on or they will get a second visit, which is very reason Russia is doing the best effort that there will be no second visit.

NATO is building up provocations on the border with SAMs and warships entering the theatre. You might ignore it but we both know that Russia will sink any US/NATO warship if they feel it necessary. Russia isn't bluffing and I am happy that Putin did not wait another 2-3 more years. If there was anyone else but Putin this shit might have ended very bad for Russia and the rest of Europe, but today with most certainty I can say the de-escalation by Russian action is working great. PONOS countries are reluctant to act against Russia, Germany is very soft on the former hard-liner speeches of their sanctions. Europe can not survive without Russia, but definitely once the fat american bully is gone they will do just fine and even prosper. The US is useless to the world and has no value other than hollywood heroes.

You ask such unproductive questions while having been in full knowledge how the West justifies wars!!! You know they would cause a false flag by chemical weapons because Putin likes his fucking chemicals and poisons!!!!

Why are you ACTING dumb? NATO (PONOS) countries would be subject to a chemical weapon form the Ukraine which CNN and BBC would say, the russians stole it and used it on poor Polish people.

I don't know what you gain from playing dumb but I certainly know that you are aware of this garbage, so why play what you are playing?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

One thing to take into account is that while many Russians consider the Ukrainian as brothers, currently the majority of Ukrainian do not see the common Russian folks as their brother. It is not like that for everyone, of course and in the south and in the east the proportions are different, but the PR campaign made by Ukraine and by the western NGOs and western propaganda obtained its objectives. There was nothing to lose. Ukraine was already lost. If they kept doing nothing also the south east would have become as much russophobic as Lvov in another 15 years (this is just considering this aspect and not the military risks posed by NATO bases and Ukrainian/american nuclear missiles hosted near the russian border and various bioweapon labs).

1 ) That's imho the most important reason for this. Bioweapons and nukes. + NA(to)ZI at your gates


@Arcticfox
2) as for Ukrainians hate towards Russia. It was artificially implanted so it can me reversed too. Yes you need to spend some time to clear people minds but no worry Japanese now love Americans


3) Russia is banned from "worlds markets" where the world consists of USA/EU and vassals, doggies and countries to weak? 10-11% of worlds population? some groups of countries that cannot say no because of bandits pressure too. BTW China and India alone is 40% of worlds population. 1st and 3rd economy respectively. They do trade with Russia. Energy and food hungry.


3) Sanctions were prepared way before the war was started. You cannot just like that introduce sanctions in 2 days without profound analytics. You can make decision though. Putin just hit first before western hammer was slamming Russia.


4) it IS also about nazis. There were nationalists on all levels of UKro administration. Russian speaking folks were second class citizens. Bandera's birthday is their national holiday.  Bandera was nazi and responsible of genocide during ww2.

The sanctions would have been put anyway, using some other excuse.
4 years ago as an example there was the fake skripal poisoning, and that was used for additional sanctions.

Russian products would not have been anyway welcomed in EU countries.

kvs wrote:I don't want to be spooked by NATzO posturing.   But the deciders are doubling down as things go off the rails.   Now we have the US
starting sanctions action against China.   I expect them to go after India and any other country that dares not bend the knee.   This
is insane, but the lunatics are running the asylum.  

They are going full Game of Thrones season 8 Daenary's style. Everyone needs to be punished, everyone is an enemy, bend your KNEE!!!!!

It never changes.

The Bazaar of War
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This whole thread is unbelievable, each clip adds to the last.

How different things were just 40 years ago but how some things never change. How universal some aspects of war are, and how they touch all aspects of human experience. Worth a few quiet minutes to watch in full.

https://twitter.com/bog_beef/status/1504851281051103242

miketheterrible wrote:

Arctic_Fox wrote:As much as i love Russia, and had lot of respect for Putin i have to say. People who think that this war is about "Nazis" is hopelessly delusional as people who claims that Russia wants to take Europe. This was a very stupid move and will achieve nothing for anyone. Only death and chaos in a world that had enough of it. Putin could had ended his political career without this... Now a lot of Russians and Ukrainians are dying, young men of a population that struggles with low birth rate. Lots of flaws on russian equipment and tactics where exposed to the world... A humanitarian crisis has emerged and people couldn't even take a break from Covid. Russia is pretty much banned from the international market. And all of this for what? Nothing. For freaking nothing. Go ahead and call me a troll if you will, but look at my older posts before trying it.

Not a troll, just an idiot.

This Operation was never done by the west because they wouldn't have the balls to do it.

You can claim whatever, but Russia went in with a significantly less force, took 40% of a country larger than most others in Europe, and that was trained and equipped for the last 8 years by NATO.

Just another armchair retard in the midst.  Great thing about this war, shows how stupid so many people even on this shit forums are.

Always funny to see people cry about Ukraine and how it's causing so much damage in the world. Yeah, a country poorer than Ghana in Africa, and more corrupt than it.  Yet not a blink for US destroying the richest country in Africa or destroying one of the pillars of civilization of the past (Iraq) or currently creating mass starvation and humanitarian disaster in Yemen which is the ancient country of Sheba. Or.... I can go on.

Edit: and Russia has far more legit excuses too: constant threats of nuclear and biological war against Russia from Ukraine, mass murder of 14,000 people by Ukraine soldiers against civilians (pogroms), actual biolabs banned by Geneva convention hosted by US and finally NATO build up in the country against Russia.

What did Yemen do to US? Or Libya? Their excuse was the lockerbe bombing and that was years and years prior.  Or how about the fake chemical/biological weapons in Iraq?  Might I add, US still has chemical weapons in storage that were banned and Russia destroyed all of theirs?

Mate, I've never defended any US bullshit wars, US committed many atrocities and it's a shame that they didn't pay the price for this. My problem lies on the idea that this fucking war was inevitable. To try to justify an atrocity by stating "The US did even more" it's just ridiculous.

Btw, I'm a idiot? Ironic that you're the guy who cries for the mods to ban anyone with a non pro-russia view here. Grow up mate.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Arctic_Fox wrote:As much as i love Russia, and had lot of respect for Putin i have to say. People who think that this war is about "Nazis" is hopelessly delusional as people who claims that Russia wants to take Europe. This was a very stupid move and will achieve nothing for anyone. Only death and chaos in a world that had enough of it. Putin could had ended his political career without this... Now a lot of Russians and Ukrainians are dying, young men of a population that struggles with low birth rate. Lots of flaws on russian equipment and tactics where exposed to the world... A humanitarian crisis has emerged and people couldn't even take a break from Covid. Russia is pretty much banned from the international market. And all of this for what? Nothing. For freaking nothing. Go ahead and call me a troll if you will, but look at my older posts before trying it.

One thing to take into account is that while many Russians consider the Ukrainian as brothers, currently the majority of Ukrainian do not see the common russian folks as their brother. It is not like that for everyone, of course and in the south and in the east the proportions are different, but the PR campaign made by Ukraine and by the western NGOs and western propaganda obtained its objectives. There was nothing to lose. Ukraine was already lost. If they kept doing nothing also the south east would have become as much russophobic as Lvov in another 15 years (this is just considering this aspect and not the military risks posed by NATO bases and Ukrainian/american nuclear missiles hosted near the russian border and various bioweapon labs).

I think its approx half and half. Pro Russian langauge and political parties have been banned at various intervals since 2014. Also, in the 2012 election, Party of the Regions was seen as "middle of the road", with Communists being a biggish group in the S and East. Which would suggest the "centre of gravity" was slightly Russian.

Plus there is Surzhik as the 3rd position for language. Additionally, the cities, minus Lvov were generally Russian speaking. And the inbred rural fuckwits more likely to be Ukrainian. Federalisation would have increased the predominance of Russian language, trade, cultural ties etc, it was believed.

Finally, the preponderance of nationalists in the West was in some part due to demographics via "ethnic cleansing" ie genocide of Russians and Jews in WW2.

Take away 30yrs of John McCain/NATO/Nazi brainwashing and intimidation and the Ukraine is maybe 62% Russian or so.

I'm sure most of the land/people can be reclaimed for the Russian World. And as for the nationalist filth well they can be secured away in a demilitarised zone to trade with the Euro-morons and cry over the results of the war crime trials.

My family are from Kiev/nearby so its something I've thought about quite a bit from the West the past couple of decades or so. The family always considered themselves Russian, not hohol Ukrainian.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Is sputnik news down? I was getting it no problems but since yesterday nothing. I Still get RT.

On another note Facebook advert today

you need to use telegram news form sputnik or ria, either blocked or under ddos attacks.

ddos attack again. VCO has it on her eye phone, no problems. RT is good.

d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian ambassador confirmed the note from the Polish Foreign Ministry demanding the expulsion of 45 diplomats on charges of espionage. Russian foreign ministry stated that they will respond to this.


Also if anyone is wondering why livemap has turned extremely bias during this conflict it's because the two owners of livemap are Ukrainian and pro neo Nazi as well as suffering from snowflake syndrome. Another source which has turned into a pile of crap.

Anyone else got better sources ? Apart from telegram

I don't think the big coloured maps indicate the situation.
Russia's tactic is to squeeze the Donbass cauldron, Mariupol, and wait patiently around Kiev and Kharbkov. Operationally its pretty much choked off the military. And the hohols are little more than geurillas/terrorists now.

They deliberately shroud the details in mystery, likewise with smaller cities.
Russia doesn'tw ant to harm the crop planting in the interior and sees little benefit it driving heavy forces there, when it can destroy the nationalist/nazi monsters in the places they actually are.

It would be nice to see the hohol borders sealed, esp from Polish shiftiness. But I suspect intel is pretty good on the Ru side.

An interesting aspect re maps is what is actually happening westward and what will happen. But Russia has no desire to telegraph that, or the details of the op. And I think we have to completely agree with them.

d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian ambassador confirmed the note from the Polish Foreign Ministry demanding the expulsion of 45 diplomats on charges of espionage. Russian foreign ministry stated that they will respond to this.


Also if anyone is wondering why livemap has turned extremely bias during this conflict it's because the two owners of livemap are Ukrainian and pro neo Nazi as well as suffering from snowflake syndrome. Another source which has turned into a pile of crap.

Anyone else got better sources ? Apart from telegram

Livejournal (not as a whole, some accounts...with the pain of constant need of translation unless you read Russian).

Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation

The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov,  Donetsk, Kiev,  and Nikolayev/Odessa

The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished

The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev

The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared

The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned

Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel

Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment

Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations

Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation

The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov,  Donetsk, Kiev,  and Nikolayev/Odessa

The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished

The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev

The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared

The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned

Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel

Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment

Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations

Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air

What are the odds that Ukraine can perform somewhat successful counter attacks? The Western media has already started talking about this nonsense, but how realistic is it in the near future with Western weaponry and intelligence that they continue to get?

billybatts91 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation

The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov,  Donetsk, Kiev,  and Nikolayev/Odessa

The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished

The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev

The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared

The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned

Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel

Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment

Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations

Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air

What are the odds that Ukraine can perform somewhat successful counter attacks? The Western media has already started talking about this nonsense, but how realistic is it in the near future with Western weaponry and intelligence that they continue to get?

The western media equals disinformation, misinformation, lies, fake news, zero credit.

An insurgency does not counterattack

An insurgency is not capable of true military operations only guerilla style gang skirmish

Russian Buk-M2 crewmember talking about how every machine has a spirit/soul

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/47417

Only he then goes to compare it to a woman

Well, we're half-way to the Omnissiah at least

billybatts91 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation

The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov,  Donetsk, Kiev,  and Nikolayev/Odessa

The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished

The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev

The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared

The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned

Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel

Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment

Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations

Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air

What are the odds that Ukraine can perform somewhat successful counter attacks? The Western media has already started talking about this nonsense, but how realistic is it in the near future with Western weaponry and intelligence that they continue to get?

The odds are high that they will launch a counter attack, the odds that their counter attacks will succeed are slim as they lack sufficient air cover and would be under gunned. They may be locally successful such as around Kiev or Nikolayevsk but they won't gain much.

Why do I say we did not lead to a world war?
The West is playing with the abyss in Ukraine. They take it as a mere "influence game" to **** with Putin but they do not understand that for Russia it is an existential problem.
Now, what do the global elite want? Because in the event of a nuclear war and world escalation they too will be annihilated. There will be no world for them.