Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

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Regular wrote:Can I ask you how do you know what tank was destroyed by what system? It's not like they take pictures of entry points and etc. So far video evidence shows Ukraine still using RPG-26, Shershen, Corsair, Rpg-7 against Russian tanks. NLAWs could be seen too, but not in action.

That's beside the point. Countermeasures were missing. RPGs, NLAWs could have been intercepted by an APS.

Well, we are seeing mostly very old tanks in use, apart from few T-72B3 versions. APS would be nice, but they have what they have. Ukrainians are also don't have any APS systems deployed so it seems

Regular wrote:Well, we are seeing mostly very old tanks in use, apart from few T-72B3 versions. APS would be nice, but they have what they have. Ukrainians are also don't have any APS systems deployed so it seems

Meaning the Russian military leadership decided to deploy tanks, IFVs in an urban setting without learning any lesson from the war in Iraq where the US lost hundreds of tanks in cities. Most of these tanks were destroyed by the rag tag Iraqi army leftovers using RPGs and IEDs.

And here we have seasoned Western soldiers embedded with the Ukranian army guiding them every step of the way.

Sujoy wrote:

Regular wrote:Well, we are seeing mostly very old tanks in use, apart from few T-72B3 versions. APS would be nice, but they have what they have. Ukrainians are also don't have any APS systems deployed so it seems

Meaning the Russian military leadership decided to deploy tanks, IFVs in an urban setting without learning any lesson from the war in Iraq where the US lost hundreds of tanks in cities. Most of these tanks were destroyed by the rag tag Iraqi army leftovers using RPGs and IEDs.

And here we have seasoned Western soldiers embedded with the Ukranian army guiding them every step of the way.

I think they just keep the modern stuff away from battlefields so NATO can not analyze their combat performance. There will be sooner or later confrontation with PONOS (Pact of Nato Offensive Satellites) that will be subject to T-90s and T-14's.

BTW this 9 May will be probably good with trophies from the fascists. I really hope they will present them that will boost the moral and show they did something to the average guy.

The Security Service of Ukraine, together with the militants of the Azov battalion, are preparing a provocation with possible radioactive contamination of the area in the Kharkiv region. Nationalists have mined a reactor at an experimental nuclear installation located at the Kharkiv Institute of Physics and Technology. The SBU and the militants of the Azov battalion plan to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on an experimental nuclear installation. - MOD of Russian Federation
https://lenta.ru/news/2022/03/07/provokacia/

There was a report yesterday that these guys are in Mariupol.


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The pro-Russian Chechen forces are now operating at least 4 captured Ukrainian Varta infantry mobility vehicles. Previously, only one was shown.

Sujoy wrote:
Meaning the Russian military leadership decided to deploy tanks, IFVs in an urban setting without learning any lesson from the war in Iraq where the US lost hundreds of tanks in cities. Most of these tanks were destroyed by the rag tag Iraqi army leftovers using RPGs and IEDs.

They haven't assaulted any city just yet to my knowledge so we can't really conclude that.

We can say the Russians are one step ahead of the Americans though since by drawing out the vast majority of Ukraine's combat power out in the East where they are unwelcome at best, there is little chance of any of those forces successfully melting away with the local population to have another go at an insurgency.

Sujoy wrote:
And here we have seasoned Western soldiers embedded with the Ukranian army guiding them every step of the way.

Any mercenaries captured have no POW status. If the Russians were so inclined, they can summarily execute them on the spot.

Apparently Ukrainian Railways are running almost normally over much of the country and are planning to shift exports goods to rail into the EU rather than by ships. Good luck with the EU customs documentation on that    

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Ukraine has suspended the export of a number of socially important products: meat, rye, oats, buckwheat, sugar, millet, salt


In other news 'we need this valuable resource (human shields) to win on the most vital front, Western Media'

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#BREAKING Kyiv rejects Moscow-proposed corridors to Belarus, Russia: govt

Wrong place wrong time or over optimistic/stupid driver?

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#Russia #Ukraine #UkraineRussia
Destruction of a bridge and other areas of the city of #Zhytomyr by the Russian strikes.
The destruction of Zhytomyr routes is disrupting the process of transferring weapons & equipment from the western regions of Ukraine to the city of #Kyiv

Sujoy wrote:
That's beside the point. Countermeasures were missing. RPGs, NLAWs could have been intercepted by an APS.

So you think 20+ T-14's should have finished the job by now?

No joke, though, Ukraine conveniently does have a border region full of Hungarians.

I propose that any soldier using civilians as a human shield in combat should instantly loose his/her POW status.

https://sputniknews.com/20220307/russian-mod-ukrainian-nationalists-used-150-civilians-in-mariupol-as-human-shields-1093652877.html

Russian MoD: Ukrainian Nationalists Used 150 Civilians in Mariupol as Human Shields

JohninMK wrote:Wrong place wrong time or over optimistic/stupid driver?

IWN
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#Russia #Ukraine #UkraineRussia
Destruction of a bridge and other areas of the city of #Zhytomyr by the Russian strikes.
The destruction of Zhytomyr routes is disrupting the process of transferring weapons & equipment from the western regions of Ukraine to the city of #Kyiv

Russia does not strike at bridges. An advancing army doesn't destroy the roads in front of it, you know. Ukrainians blow up all bridges.

Werewolf wrote:I think they just keep the modern stuff away from battlefields so NATO can not analyze their combat performance. There will be sooner or later confrontation with PONOS (Pact of Nato Offensive Satellites) that will be subject to T-90s and T-14's.

You are probably right. I’m reading several accounts of people where they are making exactly this same point that Russia has mostly deployed obsolete weapons.

My point is, even if these obsolete T-72 and other Russian heavy armour is targeted Russia is still losing precious lives, 400+ by their own count. That’s why there was no need to send in tanks, IFVs etc. In any case the Russian army is trying to carry out precision strikes on Nazis. In these scenarios MBTs, IFVs hardly serve any purpose.
Infantry, combined with armed drones, Iskander and Kalibr would have served the purpose.

lyle6 wrote:They haven't assaulted any city just yet to my knowledge so we can't really conclude that.

There are already pictures of Russian T-72 in city centers. Check previous threads on this same subject. And even those that are on the outskirts of the cities are still extremely vulnerable to ATGMs/RPGs and IEDs. Unlike Serbia, Ukraine is completely flat much like Iraq. So heavy armour is easy target.

lyle6 wrote:Any mercenaries captured have no POW status. If the Russians were so inclined, they can summarily execute them on the spot.

My point was Western army regulars are guiding the Ukranian Nazis. That’s the reason why they are embedded with the Ukranian military. They are helping the Ukranian in spotting and targeting Russian forces.

The killing of major general Andrey Sukhovetsky is a classic example. For a bunch of unmotivated, mediocre Nazis it is impossible to precisely spot a major general and eliminate him, unless of course these Nazis are being hand held by professionals like western army regulars.
As an aside, I also suspect that Russian PoWs must have been executed by these same bunch of Westerners.

Mir wrote:So you think 20+ T-14's should have finished the job by now?

No I think 20+ T-14s wouldn’t have been finished by now.

Remember 2008? Russia destroyed the NATO approved georgian forces in 72 hours. Good work. Russian military: We need new equipment. Then the re-armament program started. This conflict will lead to something similar. Well, most of the new stuff is already in testing or inital production, including stuff to better protect convoys/rear services like the Tornado family of armored truck, Gibka-S or the security vehicle based on the Kamaz--VDV. But they couldn´t wait another 2 or 3 years until all of this is ready or available in larger numbers.

My guesses:

acceleration of the Tornado program

acceleration of the drone and robot programs (some of the robots are still to unreliable to be used in such a conflict), priority should be long-range recon/attack drone and a heavy heli drone, at best with the same weapons carrying capability (up to 16 ATGM´s) of the current assault helis

acceleration of some AD systems, mostly Gibka-S, Sosna/Ptitselov and Pantsir-SM-SV, the MoD should also buy some Tor systems based on Kamaz truck, because they can better keep up with convoys.

Today, in three hours, 172 attacks by Ukrainian troops and nationalists were recorded on the declared six humanitarian corridors, according to the Russian military
https://t.me/ssigny/9600

Hole wrote:Remember 2008? Russia destroyed the NATO approved georgian forces in 72 hours. Good work. Russian military:  We need new equipment. Then the re-armament program started. This conflict will lead to something similar. Well, most of the new stuff is already in testing or inital production, including stuff to better protect convoys/rear services like the Tornado family of armored truck, Gibka-S or the security vehicle based on the Kamaz--VDV. But they couldn´t wait another 2 or 3 years until all of this is ready or available in larger numbers.

My guesses:

acceleration of the Tornado program

acceleration of the drone and robot programs (some of the robots are still to unreliable to be used in such a conflict), priority should be long-range recon/attack drone and a heavy heli drone, at best with the same weapons carrying capability (up to 16 ATGM´s) of the current assault helis

acceleration of some AD systems, mostly Gibka-S, Sosna/Ptitselov and Pantsir-SM-SV, the MoD should also buy some Tor systems based on Kamaz truck, because they can better keep up with convoys.

First they will need to find and fired those corrupted military that **** up. Too much of weapon destroyed or abondoned and supply suffered too much too.

They also clearly under used cheap tactical drones and suicide drones. Instead they over used kalibr and iskanders. I guess a less expensive and advanced but cheaper ballistic missile would have done the same damages. Islander is too much advanced for nothing since ukrainians have nothing to intercept such missiles.

The use of the air force is also shitty. Even though they face a lot of deadly systems they should use it at least above the ground they control. Kh-38 and kh-25 have enough stand off ranges to be safe from any ukrainian AD there.

Tactical recco pods and assets need to be upgraded as well as their night fighting tools. The ukrainians operating outside of the cities should be detected quickly by drones and artillery coordinated to strike them.

Coordination between the soldiers and the HQ seem terrible as well.

They have a lot to work on and not just buy new stuff.

You are aware that Ukraine is rather large?

The Su-34 has imaging structure that's rather good. IR/NV.  Their drones are thermal imaging.  Ground units in special forces have thermal images.  Regular troops have standard NV.

So what do you expect? Cameras on every block?

I never fought a war but neither have you. I'm lucky in the sense that I speak to those who have and some family who have too.

They would tell you the same thing.

I think only one you are correct on, is guided munitions for the planes. The Su-34's seem to be dropping unguided rounds. Su-30's and 35's seem to be using guided.

Another Su-34 brought down.

https://twitter.com/Fighterman_FFRC/status/1500808353802600453

It's Red-06. Hope pilots and co-pilots are fine.

Yeah.

Planes are easily replaceable, pilots not.

Maybe they need to start flying higher now those Su-34's.

Was asking good measures against optical tracking noone could say

I think these missions should be supported by high flying aircraft farther away ready to respond and provide CAS for pilot

Strelkov I think is wrong in his assessment, Russian troops are needed for NATO.

So the forces are good, with rosgvardiya in the rear its fine

They need to adjust tactics not strategy, overall strategy is good

We see tactical losses

https://t.me/ssigny/9566

Spooky numerology.